CKNW - Jimenez stayed until off-season

[cromartie]

Sorry, but I have to agree that the CFL made the correct decision based on the facts. If that isn't true, we have bigger problems than this issue.

You might also consider that the suspension has determined he is guilty and that an appeal is an excercise in rights and a determination is whether a suspension was fair based on the action.

If you take AJ Gass's win on his appeal. He was guilty of his action. The overturn was not of his action but of the severity of the penalty.

Throwing a helmet into space although by rule is a suspension is overkill, even though we understand why that rule is in place.


Regardless, win or lose the appeal, it is not good for the CFL that this overlaps a season. At a certain level, it would be better if he was found not guilty than guilty at the appeal level.

If he's found guilty after the fact, it's going to be ugly.

It's already ugly.

But the fact that it's ugly is the league's fault, quite frankly. They took a week to issue a suspension that should have been issued more or less immediately, if sufficient evidence exists. Even after taking five days longer than they should have, the commissioner then denied a stay, which was also contrary to established procedure, so the stay then had to be granted until an arbitrator can be found.

This whole process, as established by the AJ Gass precedent, is a cluster***k that the CFLPA and the league need to sit down, at the conclusion of the season, and straighten out.

And this is before we get to the crap that happens on the field that doesn't get called that leads to player injuries that various fanbases feel aggrieved for. And THAT in turn leads to roughing calls that probably shouldn't be even more roughing calls, which just makes the situation worse.

Regardless, no matter how much crying Elliot Friedman does, we are where we are because someone is injured, a ref made a debatable rule interpretation (in relation to both the call and the whistle as Blitz has stated in another thread), TSN turned off it's cameras, half the fans don't consider the refs reliable, and the league sat on the issue for a week. Jiminez is a lightning rod, probably because he deserves to be, but the bigger issue here should be the fact that the process is a complete disaster with the appropriate trickle down repercussions.

Stop *beeotch* about what "should" happen to Jiminez and fix the system, so the next time it does happen the process is actually played out quickly and efficiently for a change.

[Calgaryclan]

And, there it is. Unneccessary, Illegal cut block from behind.

[pennw]

Knowitall , why don't you say the same strong stuff here , as you have been posting on the CFL.ca under the name Footballyoubet ? Why don't call Murphy a dirtbag here like you do there , and think he should be cut from the team before you'll ever cheer for the Lions again ?

[KnowItAll]

Knowitall , why don't you say the same strong stuff here , as you have been posting on the CFL.ca under the name Footballyoubet ? Why don't call Murphy a dirtbag here like you do there , and think he should be cut from the team before you'll ever cheer for the Lions again ?

well, first of all, Jimenez is the guy I want cut. Second, I didnt feel like it. Lions posters here are more civilized and its easier to have a more civilized conversation here without being provoked into making such statements.

[Zarquon]

And, there it is. Unneccessary, Illegal cut block from behind.

OK now that I have seen it I can comment.
1) It is obvious from the video that this happened before the whistle. Jimenez was on his back before the play ended.
2) It was a cut block.
3) It is inconclusive if it was from the in front, the side or behind. Personally I think looking at the video and the positions of the players I think it was from the front/side but it was inconclusive.
4) The ref did not have an unobstructed view of the play as a Calgary defender is directly between himself and the hit.
5) The hit did not need to occur as although the whistle hadn't gone the hit was unnecessary.

My personal conclusion, the hit was legal but cheap.

[Stui]

I think y'all might not be giving the league as much credit as they deserve.

Everyone is saying that it was disgusting the amount of time they took in making their ruling/announcement.

I think, personally, they waited on purpose. They didn't want to have an effect on the Lions' team that took the field, and so avoided controversy in that respect. Controversy in taking their time to make a ruling/announcement is no big deal.

In waiting as long as they did, they knew the process that would be followed (regardless of your personal beliefs about the League and/or Cohon, they DO KNOW the available procedures and how it would work)

Had they made a ruling too soon, there was a potential for things to come around "too soon", and so affect JJ's ability to play. The way they did it, they knew they would be seen as making a ruling, and doing their due-diligence, but also knew, and could project the time line of the subsequent process in place, and also knew that the timing would take it past the Grey Cup, and so not have an effect on the team that the Lions could field for both games.

I could be wrong, but just think about it for a few minutes. Put aside your dislike/distaste/hatred of and/or for the league and give them an ounce of brain matter that they've actually used. Still think they took too long to "announce" their ruling? And for all we know, they had made their decision on the ruling, a week before it was announced. The only thing we do know, is how long it took to make a public announcement.

[pennw]

Knowitall , why don't you say the same strong stuff here , as you have been posting on the CFL.ca under the name Footballyoubet ? Why don't call Murphy a dirtbag here like you do there , and think he should be cut from the team before you'll ever cheer for the Lions again ?

well, first of all, Jimenez is the guy I want cut. Second, I didnt feel like it. Lions posters here are more civilized and its easier to have a more civilized conversation here without being provoked into making such statements.

ON CFL.ca you've had a much different opinion . You said that you'll not support BC untill WallyBouno is gone and both Murphy and Jimenez are gone . You called BOTH Murphy and Jimenez DIRTBAGS and want neither on the team. You also earlier this season over there jumped on the anti-Murphy bandwagon when Rahim Abdullah called him dirty with out any proof of anything Murphy did . And you stuck by your guns .

You became popular with the anti-BC crowd there who vilified us who stuck up for Murphy at the time . You did it then and have done it a second time.

You are right there is a much more civil crowd here. There is much hostility and venom there and there were those of us who took a lot of abuse on that forum for defending our players and you joined them in throwing stones at us all season long. Why try to hide here and deny it?

Now I know who are here . I've been a long time lurker here and a regular poster there . Don't think your going to hide here.

[KnowItAll]

Knowitall , why don't you say the same strong stuff here , as you have been posting on the CFL.ca under the name Footballyoubet ? Why don't call Murphy a dirtbag here like you do there , and think he should be cut from the team before you'll ever cheer for the Lions again ?

well, first of all, Jimenez is the guy I want cut. Second, I didnt feel like it. Lions posters here are more civilized and its easier to have a more civilized conversation here without being provoked into making such statements.

ON CFL.ca you've had a much different opinion . You said that you'll not support BC untill WallyBouno is gone and both Murphy and Jimenez are gone . You called BOTH Murphy and Jimenez DIRTBAGS and want neither on the team. You also earlier this season over there jumped on the anti-Murphy bandwagon when Rahim Abdullah called him dirty with out any proof of anything Murphy did . And you stuck by your guns .

You became popular with the anti-BC crowd there who vilified us who stuck up for Murphy at the time . You did it then and have done it a second time.

You are right there is a much more civil crowd here. There is much hostility and venom there and there were those of us who took a lot of abuse on that forum for defending our players and you joined them in throwing stones at us all season long. Why try to hide here and deny it?

Now I know who are here . I've been a long time lurker here and a regular poster there . Don't think your going to hide here.

it is no secret to the majority here who I am on CFL, just as I was on 13thman. Not that anyone really cares. No hiding being done. I abused no lion fan on CFL.CA. I also do not hide my opinions. However, doesnt speak well of you to try to bring issues from one site to another. I dont know what you are trying to acheive here now, but you will not get much satisfaction. If you seek to make me unpopular here, I already beat you to it, along time ago. My credibility here is already as low as it can be, got nothing to lose.

[pennw]

I didn't say you abused any Lions fan over there just you eagerly joined the anti- Lions bandwagon there in a place where the Lions and their fans are very unpopular. Maybe you don't have fans here but you're well liked and admired for your stands there. What I'm doing by bringing it here is to let them know just what you do there.
Sorry to the rest of you here , I'm new here . I've been there long and have taken alot of flak there and been called many things there for standing up to the crowd . And knowitall is more than willing to throw any of our players under the bus on the first bit of trouble they get into with out ever giving them any benefit of the doubt. I just find it very distasteful to try to win over some at the expense of our players and team.

[KnowItAll]

I didn't say you abused any Lions fan over there just you eagerly joined the anti- Lions bandwagon there in a place where the Lions and their fans are very unpopular. Maybe you don't have fans here but you're well liked and admired for your stands there. What I'm doing by bringing it here is to let them know just what you do there.
Sorry to the rest of you here , I'm new here . I've been there long and have taken alot of flak there and been called many things there for standing up to the crowd . And knowitall is more than willing to throw any of our players under the bus on the first bit of trouble they get into with out ever giving them any benefit of the doubt. I just find it very distasteful to try to win over some at the expense of our players and team.

I never was all that popular to begin with, but I kinda lost it around this time last yr, because of some personal issues our family was going through, and made a complete fool of myself. Been trying to take a low profile on this site since then. Even though this thread has probably pretty much run its course, it still shouldnt end being about me. Those familiar with me know that I call things as I see them and do not wear team blinders, and that integrity and fair play and so forth is much more importatn to me, for better or for worse. I do not and never have, posted to be popular with anyone. Now, I dont think anyone else here will appreciate this little banter between us and you really should let it go.

Also, you insult other posters here if you think they do not know about CFL.ca and do not browse and keep themselves informed with what goes on there that matters to them. You have exagerated a little my posting over there on this topic, but I see no reason to debate that with you here. Those that care, can see for themselves over there. That is, if they ever get that site running right again.

[sj-roc]

The release of Dickenson seems to have overshadowed the Jimenez case... when is the arbitration hearing supposed to proceed?

[Gerry]

The release of Dickenson seems to have overshadowed the Jimenez case... when is the arbitration hearing supposed to proceed?

There isn't really as much interest in it as previous thread traffic would suggest. It was only some Rider fans who were keeping the topic on the forefront of various sites because they were looking for advantage against the Lions, and that was their only real motive.

[sj-roc]

The release of Dickenson seems to have overshadowed the Jimenez case... when is the arbitration hearing supposed to proceed?

There isn't really as much interest in it as previous thread traffic would suggest. It was only some Rider fans who were keeping the topic on the forefront of various sites because they were looking for advantage against the Lions, and that was their only real motive.

True dat. Seems the clamouring for justice got pretty quiet from their camp all of a sudden. But the GC game was several days ago now so I was expecting to hear more developments about it by this point.

[hwgill]

Since the Lions were knocked out of the GC run, the entire issue died off. That of course says that the only reason it was kept going was due to others attempting to distract the Lions from what they needed to do...and succeeding in it.