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Outlook for the 2025 BC Lions

Just wanted your thoughts on how the Leos might do this season. As Don Corleone posted in another thread, the guys at 3DownNation are predicting an 8th (overall) finish for our Lions here.

While I expected the club to be a little more aggressive in free agency, making our defensive tackle position tougher and more physical with the likes of a Mike Rose or Jared Brinkman, it is possible that Rigmaiden has found what he's looking for in his US scouting/recruiting.

I don't see a glaring weakness right now although I don't quite know how our defensive backfield will shape up. We have improved on the right side of the Oline with Foucault and Allen. Certainly, we are stacked at linebacker, and if Nathan returns anywhere close to pre-NFL form, it's hard to believe we'd end up near the bottom of the standings.

The biggest improvement for me is the fresh set of eyes and new voice in the room in Buck. I see him as an upgrade on Maksymic who, for me, was frustratingly one-dimensional in his play-calling last season.

I do have a concern about leadership with a huge void left with the departure of David Mackie and TJ Lee.



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Re: Outlook for the 2025 BC Lions

I think they might be looking internally for DT upgrades. Covington got stronger as the season went on. I think he was quite good over the final third of the season. I know they like Marcus Moore a lot. He missed several games due to injury and was rewarded with a new 2 year deal. Dwayne Hendrix is solid. One to watch might be 5'10 283 fire hydrant Jonah Tavai who also seemed to get better the more he played. Tack on depth in Debaillie and Cherry and they won't be destitute. They've also signed some beef in 6'3 305 Jeffrey Johnson out Oklahoma and 6'2 325 Scean Mustin-Sherman
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Re: Outlook for the 2025 BC Lions

The Lions suffered from lack of experience in the secondary last year, and they're even less experienced this year. They let T.J. Lee, Manny Rugamba and Adrian Greene go in free agency. The only DB with CFL experience that they've picked up is Deontai Williams, who spent some time at CB in Saskatchewan.

I thought Williams would be a good candidate to play SAM if the Lions don't want to start Patrice Rene there, but that leaves just veteran Garry Peters, recycled Lion Jalon Edwards-Cooper, second-year players Ronald Kent, Jordan Perryman and Christophe Beaulieu and 2024 practice roster DBs Amechi Uzodinma and Charlie Ringland as candidates with CFL experience to compete for the other 5 starting positions.
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Hambone wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:27 pm I think they might be looking internally for DT upgrades. Covington got stronger as the season went on. I think he was quite good over the final third of the season. I know they like Marcus Moore a lot. He missed several games due to injury and was rewarded with a new 2 year deal. Dwayne Hendrix is solid. One to watch might be 5'10 283 fire hydrant Jonah Tavai who also seemed to get better the more he played. Tack on depth in Debaillie and Cherry and they won't be destitute. They've also signed some beef in 6'3 305 Jeffrey Johnson out Oklahoma and 6'2 325 Scean Mustin-Sherman
Yup, that's what I was getting at when I mentioned Rig's recruiting (Johnson and Mustin-Sherman). They are either high on these two and/or looking at the development of Moore and Tavai (and to a lesser extent Covington, who was new to the CFL but was a force in the 2nd half of 2024). As you note, Dwayne Hendrix has a solid resume as well.

My issue for the last couple of years is that we've been okay by committee, but a lot of JAGs (just another guy) vs a truly disruptive pass rusher who force other teams to double team (Betts excepted) and can plug up the middle to stop the run. Last year, we seemed to get a decent amount of QB pressure/sacks but not at critical times when we most needed them.



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Re: Outlook for the 2025 BC Lions

Both Farhan and Moj have commented in recent days it will be a different approach under Rigamaiden where they will trust their recruiting process much more to fill holes rather than the FA route. That probably goes a long way to explaining why they have essentially done nothing else since day 1 of free agency even with some obvious holes still to fill.

It makes sense given Rigamaiden's background and it must help when you are attempting to sign players from the US they know there are open starting jobs available. And of course in the salary cap world you have to have so many entry level starters to make it work.

The other side of the coin says if your recruiting is top notch then incoming rookies will beat out your veterans or make them expendable, especially for a team that hasn't won a championship in 14 years.

It's a concern they have been unable to find all-star calibre interior d-line for years and when the likes of Josh Banks is anchored in there for the last 4 seasons that no one else apparently wants him as a FA.
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We're going to need a depth chart soon but I think they are addressing concerns from last season on a priority basis and are on the right path. My outlook for the lions is rosy and hope they can at least host the division semi final.

The big change (literally) is Dejon Allen and whoever they give the RG spot to. They have some depth to go with it so imo O line could be a strength. Philosophy and scheme as important in every respect related to picking up additional rushers. Would be nice to see Una win a spot and contribute. We'll see if they bring in more people.

Team is light at RB imo and James Butler getting hurt would hurt. I wouldn't mind seeing Jamal Morrow brought in for insurance and will find it interesting to see what they do. Always a chance they find another Mackie in the draft or at least be looking.

Receiver depth is marginal but adequate if it all goes well and no one gets hurt. Could still use a guy like Alexander Hollins and would have liked to see them sign Steven Dunbar but I'm sure there is a plan. If I remember correctly Eberhardt and Rourke spent a lot of pitch and catch time together in their first year and might have good chemistry to build on. Eberhardt getting 1000 yds would be nice. Lenius could be another sleeper.

On defense Mike Benevides will be ready and wishes the season started tomorrow. I can already picture him waving his arms. They could use Purifoy at cover linebacker and be okay but probably won't.
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SammyGreene wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:53 am Both Farhan and Moj have commented in recent days it will be a different approach under Rigamaiden where they will trust their recruiting process much more to fill holes rather than the FA route. That probably goes a long way to explaining why they have essentially done nothing else since day 1 of free agency even with some obvious holes still to fill.

It makes sense given Rigamaiden's background and it must help when you are attempting to sign players from the US they know there are open starting jobs available. And of course in the salary cap world you have to have so many entry level starters to make it work.

The other side of the coin says if your recruiting is top notch then incoming rookies will beat out your veterans or make them expendable, especially for a team that hasn't won a championship in 14 years.

It's a concern they have been unable to find all-star calibre interior d-line for years and when the likes of Josh Banks is anchored in there for the last 4 seasons that no one else apparently wants him as a FA.
There is much truth in your comments Sammy. Offseason recruits who come to camp with no previous 3 down experience are at a disadvantage versus returning veterans and free agent adds from other teams. Similar to a boxer challenging the champ they often have to go out and clearly defeat the incumbent as well as any other veterans brought in for depth or insurance. That's not easy when one has to endure a significant learning curve adjusting to the unique nuances of things like 1 yard off the ball, the waggle, 12 men etc. In the meantime that vet signed from another club is fully versed in 3 down football and ready to hit the ground running so to speak.

Want to bring in a bunch of CFL free agents under the guise of insurance or to provide depth and that true rookie gets pushed farther down the training camp depth chart. Maybe instead of being penciled in on the 2nd unit at the start of camp that rookie finds himself splitting reps with another rookie on the 3rd unit. Toss in a vet FA signing, who might get some promises from the GM to get him to sign, and now the rookie has 2 CFL vets to beat out to stick. Coaches and GMs tend to be a cautious lot who might lean to "tie goes to the vet" decisions.
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SammyGreene wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:53 amIt's a concern they have been unable to find all-star calibre interior d-line for years and when the likes of Josh Banks is anchored in there for the last 4 seasons that no one else apparently wants him as a FA.
Great point, Sammy! :sigh:

I wonder if the club has moved on from all of its remaining FAs, or if we will see some late signings at a reduced salary? The obvious one for me is TJ Lee, because I still think he has gas in the tank and is a valued leader. But there's also:

Sukh Chungh
David Knevel
Josh Banks
Stefan Flintoft
(I don't believe anyone has signed Alexander Hollins yet either)


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David wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:04 am Great point, Sammy! :sigh:

I wonder if the club has moved on from all of its remaining FAs, or if we will see some late signings at a reduced salary? The obvious one for me is TJ Lee, because I still think he has gas in the tank and is a valued leader. But there's also:

Sukh Chungh
David Knevel
Josh Banks
Stefan Flintoft
(I don't believe anyone has signed Alexander Hollins yet either)


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You can add Kent Perkins, Terry Williams and Pete Robertson to that list too David. Were we not one of the better teams in the league in the last 3 years under Campbell?
It's almost like a new GM and head coach comes in, identifies the team's weaknesses to move on from and nobody wants to touch them.

Hollins is just 28 but at this stage of FA he is probably now staring at a $80,000 to $100,000 paycut from his $230,000 2024 salary if he wants to continue his career next season.
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Re: Outlook for the 2025 BC Lions

A couple more signings for the Lions as they proceed in a calm and deliberate fashion. The O line guy looks like a good prospect. This is a better way to build a team opposed to signing free agents imo.

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What Model Will Buck Pierce Bring to the BC Lions is the question that I'm confident Buck has the right answers to.

BC heads into the season with a lot of unknowns including what version of Nathan Rourke is back in the CFL.

Buck Pierce has learned from two of the best CFL coaches in Wally Buono and Mike O’Shea.
But I'm confident his model looks more like Winnipeg’s.

Former assistants proving to be top CFL coaches on other teams who got it right on promotion include Ryan Dinwiddie and Corey Mace. The new version of Jason Maas in Montreal got a second chance and now he's got it right.

Dinwiddie said at his first GC appearance his model of a franchise was Winnipeg even though he came from Calgary.
Mace is looking like his model was Toronto. Both of these I believe were with Jon Hufnagel in Calgary and then Dave D.

Dave D like Mike B of BC Lions are not those guys (Dinwiddie and Mace nor Maas 2.0) as their teams declined in performance so I'm suggesting their model, philosophy and grasp of what it takes to be a successful HC and win was not what it needed to be.

If your model was all out Wally Buono, it's incomplete.

A strict Wally Buono’s model is missing something. Buono created a high-performance culture where every player knew the GM/HC’s job was to find someone better. If he thought a guy was on the decline, he'd toss the milk out before the best before date.

That mindset built accountability and consistency, but it wasn’t about creativity or innovation—it was about execution. Trick plays? Those were for losing teams.

Buck Pierce made it clear:
“Our vision for this club is an identity of toughness, grit, integrity, and accountability. The standard will be set early and we will hold ourselves and our players to that standard.”
He also emphasizes communication and collaboration, something he took from O’Shea in Winnipeg:
“The importance of team and how we are going to build things… It’s about the people you surround yourself with.”
There is a 3Down article where Buck spoke about the dynamics of his coaching staff, suggesting something that many coaches including the last regime missed in my view. While Buck stressed he wants a collaborative environment where all coaches can grow, learn and excel, I believe this is a bit of how O'Shea leads as HC where the HC is the coach of coaches as well. Where he holds assistants accountable for how they do their job and how the HC is accountable to the coaches and players as well.

I don't think I'm wrong here but Buck seems to grasp the O'Shea thinking on this. It works for O'Shea as he can be seen picking up an equipment bag and Buck has always been a humble person even in college.

A case in point. The HC will hold his assistants to account if an OC doesn't invite a QB he doesn't like to a meeting. He won't turn a blind eye. If the DC is failing, he'll coach that up as well.

While one could say they're nice words, if I have any insight into how Mike O'Shea leads, I'm confident that he coaches the coaches and believes in the leadership view that there is a two way accountability there. In other words, Buck is
“The biggest thing is the players dictate what you’re going to look like… It’s truly our job to put the players in the best possible situations.”
This tells me he’s not just taking Buono’s hard-nosed approach—he’s blending it with a more player-focused, adaptable style. If he brings the size, toughness, and physicality Winnipeg has built and mixes in innovative, exciting football, BC will be in good hands.
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O'Shea, Buono, Dinwiddie, and Mace have a command. A presence when they walk in the room. They are charismatic and players listen. I don't believe Campbell had it (but he had some success, winning a GC with Ottawa in 2016).

It will be interesting to see how Buck evolves in this new role. I am pulling for him. My assessment of his personality is that he won't be a pushover by any stretch but is naturally a more shy, behind-the-scenes guy who is detail-oriented and likes to innovate. He worked in the shadow of one of the best in the business, so some of O'Shea's style is bound to have rubbed off.



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I think it only makes sense that Pierce would be far greatly influenced by the way Mike O'Shea operates than Wally Buono. Pierce is 15 years removed from any direct coaching influence from Wally. He last played for Wally in 2009. He had a brief 5 game stint back with BC at the end of the 2013 season but that was under Benevides. As a player he worked under Wally for 5 years before 4 split between Lapolice, Tim Burke and finally Bene. He started coaching in 2014, same year as O'Shea became Bombers HC. 2025 will mark the first season Pierce isn't coaching under Mike O'Shea's influence.
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Interestingly, Mike O'Shea who I didn't include in that post for his early years and who is a great HC didn't win out of the gate as Dinwiddie, Mace or Jason Maas 2.0. He inherited a *bleep* storm IIRC and it took time for him to develop his model.

Buck's personality aside, IIRC Mike O'Shea didn't want his assistant's doing media interviews.

I have some questions on the DEF side with the staff but it's more along the lines of if it can work for all given the perceived demotiion of Phillips and the Mike Benefield now the boss.


What I can't account for in my model contentions are the total f/ups with Dinwiddie in handling the entire Chad Kelly debacle and his losses every year with FAs.

Dinwiddie knew or ought to have known that something was messed up that with that female staff member. That parts on him, his coaches and staff and his GM - maybe even his players. If it was known why wouldn't someone tell him a big problem is about to blow up here.

However, given the team ownership (corporate) it would not surprise me if the entire mismanagement of the female staff incident to lettiing the lawsuit develop could have corporate legal advice all over it. That's why when I got legal counsel internally I didn't like I'd go external as once bitten, twice shy. There are many issues that blow up with legal advice instead of handling them immediately and directly by speaking to the people and fixing problems.

My point is that the out of the gate successful from Ass't to HC in a new franchise starts with the philosophy, model and HC's view of the role that translates to hiring and selecting and recruiting and sustaining a winning culture. You aren't going to win a GC every year but a winning organization is always there at the end.

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O'Shea was hired by the Toronto Argonauts as their special teams coordinator for the 2010 season. He spent four seasons in Toronto where he won his first Grey Cup as a coach in the 100th Grey Cup.
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don corleone wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:27 am We're going to need a depth chart soon but I think they are addressing concerns from last season on a priority basis and are on the right path. My outlook for the lions is rosy and hope they can at least host the division semi final.

The big change (literally) is Dejon Allen and whoever they give the RG spot to. They have some depth to go with it so imo O line could be a strength. Philosophy and scheme as important in every respect related to picking up additional rushers. Would be nice to see Una win a spot and contribute. We'll see if they bring in more people.

Team is light at RB imo and James Butler getting hurt would hurt. I wouldn't mind seeing Jamal Morrow brought in for insurance and will find it interesting to see what they do. Always a chance they find another Mackie in the draft or at least be looking.

Receiver depth is marginal but adequate if it all goes well and no one gets hurt. Could still use a guy like Alexander Hollins and would have liked to see them sign Steven Dunbar but I'm sure there is a plan. If I remember correctly Eberhardt and Rourke spent a lot of pitch and catch time together in their first year and might have good chemistry to build on. Eberhardt getting 1000 yds would be nice. Lenius could be another sleeper.

On defense Mike Benevides will be ready and wishes the season started tomorrow. I can already picture him waving his arms. They could use Purifoy at cover linebacker and be okay but probably won't.
Here is my early and entirely unofficial offseason depth chart, based only on players with CFL or NFL experience. I don't know enough to include raw rookies, most of whom will find themselves fighting to move far enough up the depth chart to make the active roster for the regular season.

The offence is fairly set. You can shuffle players around at the guard positions and backup tackles. I listed 3 American starters on the O-line but I hope that either Packer or Una get a fair chance at a starting position.

On the defensive line, it seems that Betts and Teuhema (after his 2-game suspension) are likely to start on the outside, with Covington and Hendrix inside. The remaining players can be shuffled around. There is lots of depth.

Linebacker is where the Lions have the most depth. I find it hard to believe that Hladik, Auclair and 3 other veteran nationals will be backups to Woods and Awe, but that seems to be what the coaches want. I've pencilled in Rene at SAM, with Auclair backing him up (he played there at Laval), but former Rider CB Deontai Williams could do well there.

The secondary is where the Lions have the least experience, so I've pencilled in Williams at field corner ahead of second-year American Jordan Perryman, with Jalon Edwards-Cooper at field halfback. He and second-year Lion Ronald Kent are the only Lions who have played halfback, and I've pencilled in Kent for the boundary half, where he had some playing time last year. The only near certainties are that Garry Peters will keep his shutdown boundary corner position and second-year Lion Christophe Beaulieu will return at safety.

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