End of the Riders game

[Merolamas56]

Did I miss something , here?

After Hamilton turned over the ball in the last minute following an interception, Saskatchewan was driving down the field for the potential winning points.
The announcers said that they needed the field goal on the last play to win the game.

But wasn't all they really needed a single? Just kick the ball out of the end zone for no return, whether they kicked the field goal or not. Just kick it as hard as possible and out of the field of play.

Or have the rules changed and I am thinking along the lines of how teams used to win games in the 1930s-40s-50s-70s by going for unreturnable singles? Several Grey Cups were won that way

[TheLionKing]

A single would have won the game.

[almo89]

This comes up a lot when the rouge is being debated. Kicking it through the endzone is harder than it looks. The final field goal was a 42 yarder. To kick it through the endzone, you need to tack on another 19 to 20 yards. They can try punting, but you always risk the chance of shanking it. Going for a normal field goal is normally the easier option. Lauther did end up making the field goal and kick it through the endzone anyways, but usually it's just easier to just attempt the field goal.

[Toppy Vann]

This comes up a lot when the rouge is being debated. Kicking it through the endzone is harder than it looks. The final field goal was a 42 yarder. To kick it through the endzone, you need to tack on another 19 to 20 yards. They can try punting, but you always risk the chance of shanking it. Going for a normal field goal is normally the easier option. Lauther did end up making the field goal and kick it through the endzone anyways, but usually it's just easier to just attempt the field goal.

Felt bad for Bo Levi Mitchell but the pass that bounced off his REC for the INT resulted from Ticats not able to run the ball at all in that game. Same with Riders not able to run the ball. Butler got his yards off passes.

BLM looked like Zach Collaros in his moves to get out of trouble and Milanovich coached Zach at one point. BLM in the TSN broadcast said his HC told him he had to change his game if he was to be their starter and if he wanted to continue to play for as long as he wants.

I'm not sure if it was the loss in double OT thriller in Regina in 2010 that in the first OT BC tried to have McCallum unsuccessfully kick it through the end zone. This story doesn't mention this. It's one of the intriguing things about the single point that forces teams to make a decision on the fly. Try to punt it out of end zone - some risk. OR Try a FG and risk a block as the longer the range the greater the risk of a low kick as they need distance.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl/riders-lions/

In 2011 when Paul McCallum kicked a winning 53 yd FG to beat Stamps with the score before the kick 31-30 for the Stamps in Calgary, the FG kick was LOW and that is always what teams worry about when you're going for a long FG and the kicker needs extra length.

Wally Buono, the Lions coach and general manager, admitted he toyed with the idea of trying for a single to force overtime.

“I was going to ask him to punt,” said Buono. “He said ‘no coach. Let me kick the field goal.’

“I have learned over my time you have to trust your players and I trusted Paul to do what he had to do. God bless him.”

The kick was low and barely scrapped over the crossbar. McCallum celebrated his longest field in his last six years as a Lion by falling on the ground where he was mobbed by his teammates.

https://www.cfl.ca/2011/10/09/mccallum- ... rst-place/

When NFL wannabes say it's bush to get a single for a missed FG, what comes to mind is these situations plus how the Receiving team can kick it out and get it kicked back in. I love those scenarios.

[Robbie]

I'm not sure if it was the loss in double OT thriller in Regina in 2010 that in the first OT BC tried to have McCallum unsuccessfully kick it through the end zone. This story doesn't mention this. It's one of the intriguing things about the single point that forces teams to make a decision on the fly. Try to punt it out of end zone - some risk. OR Try a FG and risk a block as the longer the range the greater the risk of a low kick as they need distance.

That game was actually played on September 24, 2006 in Regina in which the Roughriders eventually won 23-20. In the first overtime in which the Roughriders had possession, they didn't score so on the Lions possession on a 2nd down Paul McCallum did try to punt the ball for a rouge win but it was brought back out of the end zone by the Saskatchewan kick returner so the game remained tied so a second overtime series was needed which Saskatchewan won.

While a last game play resulting in a win is always exciting, it's a lot less dramatic if it was in the form of a rouge. Off the top of my head I only remember one instance in which the win was achieved by a rouge. On October 20, 1991 at Commonwealth Stadium the game was tied at 38-38 and the rules at that time were two 5-minute halves that were not sudden death. The Eskimos chose to give the Lions first possession on both halves, and on the second half Doug Flutie and the Lions drove down the field and took all the time off the clock to allow Lui Passaglia a short field goal with no time on the clock. But Passaglia purposely kicked the ball to the other side of the end zone instead of the uprights and that resulted in a rouge and a 39-38 win for the Lions.

I've stated several times before that one of the riskiest plays that the Lions (and specifically Wally Buono) have made in that it was definitely do or die was the final play of the 2004 WDF. Deadlocked at 24-24 heading into overtime, the Roughriders had first possession and got the ball close to the end zone but didn't get a touchdown so placekicker Paul McCallum attempted a short field goal which missed. But many fans seemed to be oblivious that the missed field goal still sailed out of the end zone giving Saskatchewan a single rouge and a 25-24 lead with the Lions turn in hand. And on the Lions possession in OT, they ran a short 2-run play resulting in 2nd and 8 on the 33-yard line. Duncan O'Mahony then attempted to make a 40-yard field goal to win the game and advance to the Grey Cup. And O'Mahony came through for the eventual 27-25 Lions win. But what was so scary about that play is that had O'Mahony missed, then an attempt from so far out would most likely been returned out of the end zone by the Roughriders kick returner to preserve a 25-24 win and allowing Saskatchewan to advace to the GC instead.

The best play in Lions history may very well be Lui Passaglia's 38-yard field goal in the 1994 GC to win it with a score of 26-23. You may also remember that he had missed a 37-yard field goal just prior to that and Baltimore kick returner Charles Anthony barely had enough space to catch the ball before it sailed out of the end zone and barely managed to run out of the end zone to avoid a rouge and keep the game tied 23-23. Suppose Lui's second attempt at 38-yard with no time remaining ALSO missed but this time, the ball either sailed through the end zone or was not brought out giving the Lions a single rouge and a 24-23 GC win. Then would that play be just as historic and memorable in that it still allowed the Lions to win the GC on the last play of the game?

[Merolamas56]

I have an unrelated question/request for Robbie.
About 20 years ago, you posted a photo of one of the rings that the team members received for playing in the 1963 Grey Cup.
The link to that photo is long gone on that thread.
Do you know where I might find another copy of that photo (or another photo) of the 1963 ring?

[Merolamas56]

I have an unrelated question/request for Robbie.
About 20 years ago, you posted a photo of one of the rings that the team members received for playing in the 1963 Grey Cup.
The link to that photo is long gone on that thread.
Do you know where I might find another copy of that photo (or another photo) of the 1963 ring?

[Merolamas56]

The 1947 Grey Cup was won by Joe Krol kicking a single from a punt that angled out of the end zone on the last play of the game.
The Bombers had gambled on third down and turned over the ball on the play prior to that.

Apparently Winnipeg was trying to punt and lost the handle on the ball leading to the turnover on downs?

[Toppy Vann]

I'm not sure if it was the loss in double OT thriller in Regina in 2010 that in the first OT BC tried to have McCallum unsuccessfully kick it through the end zone. This story doesn't mention this. It's one of the intriguing things about the single point that forces teams to make a decision on the fly. Try to punt it out of end zone - some risk. OR Try a FG and risk a block as the longer the range the greater the risk of a low kick as they need distance.

That game was actually played on September 24, 2006 in Regina in which the Roughriders eventually won 23-20. In the first overtime in which the Roughriders had possession, they didn't score so on the Lions possession on a 2nd down Paul McCallum did try to punt the ball for a rouge win but it was brought back out of the end zone by the Saskatchewan kick returner so the game remained tied so a second overtime series was needed which Saskatchewan won.

While a last game play resulting in a win is always exciting, it's a lot less dramatic if it was in the form of a rouge. Off the top of my head I only remember one instance in which the win was achieved by a rouge. On October 20, 1991 at Commonwealth Stadium the game was tied at 38-38 and the rules at that time were two 5-minute halves that were not sudden death. The Eskimos chose to give the Lions first possession on both halves, and on the second half Doug Flutie and the Lions drove down the field and took all the time off the clock to allow Lui Passaglia a short field goal with no time on the clock. But Passaglia purposely kicked the ball to the other side of the end zone instead of the uprights and that resulted in a rouge and a 39-38 win for the Lions.

I've stated several times before that one of the riskiest plays that the Lions (and specifically Wally Buono) have made in that it was definitely do or die was the final play of the 2004 WDF. Deadlocked at 24-24 heading into overtime, the Roughriders had first possession and got the ball close to the end zone but didn't get a touchdown so placekicker Paul McCallum attempted a short field goal which missed. But many fans seemed to be oblivious that the missed field goal still sailed out of the end zone giving Saskatchewan a single rouge and a 25-24 lead with the Lions turn in hand. And on the Lions possession in OT, they ran a short 2-run play resulting in 2nd and 8 on the 33-yard line. Duncan O'Mahony then attempted to make a 40-yard field goal to win the game and advance to the Grey Cup. And O'Mahony came through for the eventual 27-25 Lions win. But what was so scary about that play is that had O'Mahony missed, then an attempt from so far out would most likely been returned out of the end zone by the Roughriders kick returner to preserve a 25-24 win and allowing Saskatchewan to advace to the GC instead.

The best play in Lions history may very well be Lui Passaglia's 38-yard field goal in the 1994 GC to win it with a score of 26-23. You may also remember that he had missed a 37-yard field goal just prior to that and Baltimore kick returner Charles Anthony barely had enough space to catch the ball before it sailed out of the end zone and barely managed to run out of the end zone to avoid a rouge and keep the game tied 23-23. Suppose Lui's second attempt at 38-yard with no time remaining ALSO missed but this time, the ball either sailed through the end zone or was not brought out giving the Lions a single rouge and a 24-23 GC win. Then would that play be just as historic and memorable in that it still allowed the Lions to win the GC on the last play of the game?

Robbie, thanks for finding the right game that this occurred in.

I was at the '94 GC and vividly recall the first FG against the Stalliions by Big Lu.

To answer your question that day if the ball had gone out of the end zone in a miss that crowd in BC Place would still have erupted.

Had Lui missed with the game tied at 23 and they ran it or kicked it out or tried to kick it out, that too would be memorable.

Like I have said in the past, I'm a fan of these rules as unlike the NFL more things must be thought of when you decide to go for a long FG or a punt given our rules and size of field.

Around 5 min and beyond is some famous BC plays.

CFL Onside Punt Compilation

CFL Highlights

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[Toppy Vann]

I'm not sure if it was the loss in double OT thriller in Regina in 2010 that in the first OT BC tried to have McCallum unsuccessfully kick it through the end zone. This story doesn't mention this. It's one of the intriguing things about the single point that forces teams to make a decision on the fly. Try to punt it out of end zone - some risk. OR Try a FG and risk a block as the longer the range the greater the risk of a low kick as they need distance.

That game was actually played on September 24, 2006 in Regina in which the Roughriders eventually won 23-20. In the first overtime in which the Roughriders had possession, they didn't score so on the Lions possession on a 2nd down Paul McCallum did try to punt the ball for a rouge win but it was brought back out of the end zone by the Saskatchewan kick returner so the game remained tied so a second overtime series was needed which Saskatchewan won.

While a last game play resulting in a win is always exciting, it's a lot less dramatic if it was in the form of a rouge. Off the top of my head I only remember one instance in which the win was achieved by a rouge. On October 20, 1991 at Commonwealth Stadium the game was tied at 38-38 and the rules at that time were two 5-minute halves that were not sudden death. The Eskimos chose to give the Lions first possession on both halves, and on the second half Doug Flutie and the Lions drove down the field and took all the time off the clock to allow Lui Passaglia a short field goal with no time on the clock. But Passaglia purposely kicked the ball to the other side of the end zone instead of the uprights and that resulted in a rouge and a 39-38 win for the Lions.

I've stated several times before that one of the riskiest plays that the Lions (and specifically Wally Buono) have made in that it was definitely do or die was the final play of the 2004 WDF. Deadlocked at 24-24 heading into overtime, the Roughriders had first possession and got the ball close to the end zone but didn't get a touchdown so placekicker Paul McCallum attempted a short field goal which missed. But many fans seemed to be oblivious that the missed field goal still sailed out of the end zone giving Saskatchewan a single rouge and a 25-24 lead with the Lions turn in hand. And on the Lions possession in OT, they ran a short 2-run play resulting in 2nd and 8 on the 33-yard line. Duncan O'Mahony then attempted to make a 40-yard field goal to win the game and advance to the Grey Cup. And O'Mahony came through for the eventual 27-25 Lions win. But what was so scary about that play is that had O'Mahony missed, then an attempt from so far out would most likely been returned out of the end zone by the Roughriders kick returner to preserve a 25-24 win and allowing Saskatchewan to advace to the GC instead.


The best play in Lions history may very well be Lui Passaglia's 38-yard field goal in the 1994 GC to win it with a score of 26-23. You may also remember that he had missed a 37-yard field goal just prior to that and Baltimore kick returner Charles Anthony barely had enough space to catch the ball before it sailed out of the end zone and barely managed to run out of the end zone to avoid a rouge and keep the game tied 23-23. Suppose Lui's second attempt at 38-yard with no time remaining ALSO missed but this time, the ball either sailed through the end zone or was not brought out giving the Lions a single rouge and a 24-23 GC win. Then would that play be just as historic and memorable in that it still allowed the Lions to win the GC on the last play of the game?

Robbie, thanks for finding the right game that this occurred in.

I was at the '94 GC and vividly recall the first FG against the Stalliions by Big Lu.

To answer your question that day if the ball had gone out of the end zone in a miss that crowd in BC Place would still have erupted.

Had Lui missed with the game tied at 23 and they ran it or kicked it out or tried to kick it out, that too would be memorable.

Like I have said in the past, I'm a fan of these rules as unlike the NFL more things must be thought of when you decide to go for a long FG or a punt given our rules and size of field.

Around 5 min and beyond is some famous BC plays.

CFL Onside Punt Compilation

CFL Highlights

942 subscribers

This is also in the compilation. BC needing one point to tie in 2019 at Hamilton:

[Toppy Vann]

That game was actually played on September 24, 2006 in Regina in which the Roughriders eventually won 23-20. In the first overtime in which the Roughriders had possession, they didn't score so on the Lions possession on a 2nd down Paul McCallum did try to punt the ball for a rouge win but it was brought back out of the end zone by the Saskatchewan kick returner so the game remained tied so a second overtime series was needed which Saskatchewan won.

While a last game play resulting in a win is always exciting, it's a lot less dramatic if it was in the form of a rouge. Off the top of my head I only remember one instance in which the win was achieved by a rouge. On October 20, 1991 at Commonwealth Stadium the game was tied at 38-38 and the rules at that time were two 5-minute halves that were not sudden death. The Eskimos chose to give the Lions first possession on both halves, and on the second half Doug Flutie and the Lions drove down the field and took all the time off the clock to allow Lui Passaglia a short field goal with no time on the clock. But Passaglia purposely kicked the ball to the other side of the end zone instead of the uprights and that resulted in a rouge and a 39-38 win for the Lions.

I've stated several times before that one of the riskiest plays that the Lions (and specifically Wally Buono) have made in that it was definitely do or die was the final play of the 2004 WDF. Deadlocked at 24-24 heading into overtime, the Roughriders had first possession and got the ball close to the end zone but didn't get a touchdown so placekicker Paul McCallum attempted a short field goal which missed. But many fans seemed to be oblivious that the missed field goal still sailed out of the end zone giving Saskatchewan a single rouge and a 25-24 lead with the Lions turn in hand. And on the Lions possession in OT, they ran a short 2-run play resulting in 2nd and 8 on the 33-yard line. Duncan O'Mahony then attempted to make a 40-yard field goal to win the game and advance to the Grey Cup. And O'Mahony came through for the eventual 27-25 Lions win. But what was so scary about that play is that had O'Mahony missed, then an attempt from so far out would most likely been returned out of the end zone by the Roughriders kick returner to preserve a 25-24 win and allowing Saskatchewan to advace to the GC instead.


The best play in Lions history may very well be Lui Passaglia's 38-yard field goal in the 1994 GC to win it with a score of 26-23. You may also remember that he had missed a 37-yard field goal just prior to that and Baltimore kick returner Charles Anthony barely had enough space to catch the ball before it sailed out of the end zone and barely managed to run out of the end zone to avoid a rouge and keep the game tied 23-23. Suppose Lui's second attempt at 38-yard with no time remaining ALSO missed but this time, the ball either sailed through the end zone or was not brought out giving the Lions a single rouge and a 24-23 GC win. Then would that play be just as historic and memorable in that it still allowed the Lions to win the GC on the last play of the game?

Robbie, thanks for finding the right game that this occurred in.

I was at the '94 GC and vividly recall the first FG against the Stalliions by Big Lu.

To answer your question that day if the ball had gone out of the end zone in a miss that crowd in BC Place would still have erupted.

Had Lui missed with the game tied at 23 and they ran it or kicked it out or tried to kick it out, that too would be memorable.

Like I have said in the past, I'm a fan of these rules as unlike the NFL more things must be thought of when you decide to go for a long FG or a punt given our rules and size of field.

Around 5 min and beyond is some famous BC plays.

CFL Onside Punt Compilation

CFL Highlights

942 subscribers

This is also in the compilation. BC needing one point to tie in 2019 at Hamilton.

Ryan Lankford caught the punt and kicked it for his own onside recovery, then lateralled to Duron Carter who I'm not sure wasn't supposed to punt it but couldn't or didn't and game over for a 1 point loss.