Jimenez suspended

[Migs]

What a disgrace. If Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday then I lose what little respect I had left for him. From all accounts that I have heard through various people who have seen the incident, its right up there with Marty McSorley and Todd Bertuzzi if not worse.

Lemme see. You take second hand info from someone who supposedly saw it, when 37,000 of us who were there ...didn't. Then you pretend that you ever had any respect for Wally Buono to begin with.

Right Migs, right.

Actually I do have some respect for Wally as a head coach.....his record speaks volumes. BUT like I said already, if he does dress Jimenez on Sunday, then its out the window. Oh and are you calling Greg Frers, AJ Gass, Elliotte Friedman, Daved Benefield, Chris Walby, Khari Jones, Mark Cohon (all whom have seen the video), and the umpire (who saw it first hand) all liars???. Try again Solar cause you can't spin this one no matter how hard you try..........

Oh and I am curious how you know that none of the 37,000 fans that were at the game saw the incident???

[wildthing]

Uhhhhh....



Last ever? And that's coming from where exactly?

well he took a costly suspension at the wrong time of the year, he has missed key blocks resulting in injury to your main QB, could be the straw that costs him his job. It is merely speculation but it is a very good reason to ensure the suspension is taken care of this year

You're so funny. Why is so important that the suspension take place this year? If he gets drummed out of the league (or off the Lions) that's worse than any suspension. That more than fits the bill for punishment. The only interest you have is that your team gains advantage. None other.

the foul happened this year the discpline should happen in the same year. If dragged out it makes the consequences seem far less. To uphold and do the process before he steps on the field again sets a clear message that the system can't be used to allow a player that may have deliberately injured another player to play in games. Why should he be allowed to play? He was deemed to have done an illegal deed and now th onus is his to prove innocence which means he has until Sunday to prove it, if he can't he shouldn't play.

[LFITQ]

Jim Mullin: as a media colleague of Elliot Friedman's, in his blog he talks about how Wally has "condoned" this hit, here's the exact quote:



Can you shed some light on where he is getting that Wally condones this hit? We know that Wally is the one who has brought forth proposals in the last two years to the CFL Rules committee to get this type of hit made illegal. So I'm not sure where this "condoning" is coming from? Can you shed some light on it as a respected media person?

If Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday then that is the same thing as him condoning what happened.

exactly. and wallys own words of being more concerned about if it was a legal play, ie before the whistle, is also quite telling of his condoning it. Before the whistle or not, it was typical jiminez dirty cheap shot.

Except that if it was BEFORE the whistle it would have been a legal play. Kind of like how Rider fans harp on the idea that the Perry hit on DD was deemed legal. Just like the actions of the Rider linemen was deemed illegal and deemed an ejection. Oh wait!! Some rider fans said that because there was no conclusive video evidence it was obviously an improper ejection and the Riders were wronged! Kinda like how the League deemed the hit on Burris as being legal. That one didn't have any controversy either.

I'm undecided on what the play is at simply because I have not seen any video evidence to this point. If the play happened during the whistle then it may well be able to be called a legal hit. Unike some fans, I'm unwilling to just take the League's word for it. If anything the League's past decisions this year have shown they are anything but consistent nor necessarily making the right choices. Instead they have a penchant for making the wrong call. So now all we have is the word of a ref. I'm gonna guess that Jiminez's Lawyer believes he has a chance of getting it overturned otherwise this wouldn't go this far as Jiminez is taking the risk that he may lose out on a Grey Cup paycheque by taking this route.

If I'm Waly, Jiminez may not play anyhow simply because Wally has a rule that if you don't practice you don't play. And if I'm Wally I can't guarantee that Jiminez is going to be available for the WDF, so I'm practicing with his replacement instead.

[Stui]

If Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday then that is the same thing as him condoning what happened.

Ummm.. nope, sorry, have to correct you there. It doesn't mean anything than they're taking advantage of a loophole in the process (that after Gass and this will be fixed before next season starts). The appeal process allows him to be available to play, and so you play the BEST AVAILABLE players you have. Regardless of any possible impending arbitration.

Nothing more, nothing less. it's a loophole that can be exploited, and is going to be. It's not their fault that the CBA has these gaffs in it. But it IS their responsibility to utilize whatever they are allowed to do, and do it within the rules. Which is PRECISELY what they are doing.

[KnowItAll]

Except that if it was BEFORE the whistle it would have been a legal play. Kind of like how Rider fans harp on the idea that the Perry hit on DD was deemed legal. Just like the actions of the Rider linemen was deemed illegal and deemed an ejection. Oh wait!! Some rider fans said that because there was no conclusive video evidence it was obviously an improper ejection and the Riders were wronged! Kinda like how the League deemed the hit on Burris as being legal. That one didn't have any controversy either.

I'm undecided on what the play is at simply because I have not seen any video evidence to this point. If the play happened during the whistle then it may well be able to be called a legal hit. Unike some fans, I'm unwilling to just take the League's word for it. If anything the League's past decisions this year have shown they are anything but consistent nor necessarily making the right choices. Instead they have a penchant for making the wrong call. So now all we have is the word of a ref. I'm gonna guess that Jiminez's Lawyer believes he has a chance of getting it overturned otherwise this wouldn't go this far as Jiminez is taking the risk that he may lose out on a Grey Cup paycheque by taking this route.

If I'm Waly, Jiminez may not play anyhow simply because Wally has a rule that if you don't practice you don't play. And if I'm Wally I can't guarantee that Jiminez is going to be available for the WDF, so I'm practicing with his replacement instead.

well, I for one never defended the rider players anywhere or faulted any penalties, etc. As for when the whistle blew. Are you saying anything goes. So if the play is happening on the other side of the field, down field, and a player decides to viciously take out another with a high risk of injury action, its ok before the whistle? Its not always about the whistle. Just like such things as late hit on QB,etc.

[KnowItAll]

If Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday then that is the same thing as him condoning what happened.

Ummm.. nope, sorry, have to correct you there. It doesn't mean anything than they're taking advantage of a loophole in the process (that after Gass and this will be fixed before next season starts). The appeal process allows him to be available to play, and so you play the BEST AVAILABLE players you have. Regardless of any possible impending arbitration.

Nothing more, nothing less. it's a loophole that can be exploited, and is going to be. It's not their fault that the CBA has these gaffs in it. But it IS their responsibility to utilize whatever they are allowed to do, and do it within the rules. Which is PRECISELY what they are doing.

whether he is actually condoning it, or whether he simply lacks the integrity to do the right thing and keep him off the field, it amounts to the same minus.

[Stui]

Gotta love all these people who have never sinned, and just playfully gallop along on thier big, white horses. telling us all how moral, or immoral, or wrong somethings are.

No, seriously, I love it. Makes me laugh. Don't stop, please!!

[Migs]

If Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday then that is the same thing as him condoning what happened.

Ummm.. nope, sorry, have to correct you there. It doesn't mean anything than they're taking advantage of a loophole in the process (that after Gass and this will be fixed before next season starts). The appeal process allows him to be available to play, and so you play the BEST AVAILABLE players you have. Regardless of any possible impending arbitration.

Nothing more, nothing less. it's a loophole that can be exploited, and is going to be. It's not their fault that the CBA has these gaffs in it. But it IS their responsibility to utilize whatever they are allowed to do, and do it within the rules. Which is PRECISELY what they are doing.

You sould be a politician....lol. No matter how you try and spin it with 'loopholes' and 'backdoor' scenario's.......if Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday, that is the same damn thing as condoning what happened.

[Migs]

Gotta love all these people who have never sinned, and just playfully gallop along on thier big, white horses. telling us all how moral, or immoral, or wrong somethings are.

No, seriously, I love it. Makes me laugh. Don't stop, please!!

Who said they never sinned??? Seriously where did anyone say that? hell I just finished paying a $200 dollar speeding ticket because......guess what???........I was speeding. I never pleaded insanity or found a loophole to try and get out of my mistake which is exactly what Jimenez is doing....unless of course Friedman, Jones, Gass, Frers, Walby, Benefield, Cohon, and the officials are all duping us....

[LFITQ]

Except that if it was BEFORE the whistle it would have been a legal play. Kind of like how Rider fans harp on the idea that the Perry hit on DD was deemed legal. Just like the actions of the Rider linemen was deemed illegal and deemed an ejection. Oh wait!! Some rider fans said that because there was no conclusive video evidence it was obviously an improper ejection and the Riders were wronged! Kinda like how the League deemed the hit on Burris as being legal. That one didn't have any controversy either.

I'm undecided on what the play is at simply because I have not seen any video evidence to this point. If the play happened during the whistle then it may well be able to be called a legal hit. Unike some fans, I'm unwilling to just take the League's word for it. If anything the League's past decisions this year have shown they are anything but consistent nor necessarily making the right choices. Instead they have a penchant for making the wrong call. So now all we have is the word of a ref. I'm gonna guess that Jiminez's Lawyer believes he has a chance of getting it overturned otherwise this wouldn't go this far as Jiminez is taking the risk that he may lose out on a Grey Cup paycheque by taking this route.

If I'm Waly, Jiminez may not play anyhow simply because Wally has a rule that if you don't practice you don't play. And if I'm Wally I can't guarantee that Jiminez is going to be available for the WDF, so I'm practicing with his replacement instead.

well, I for one never defended the rider players anywhere or faulted any penalties, etc. As for when the whistle blew. Are you saying anything goes. So if the play is happening on the other side of the field, down field, and a player decides to viciously take out another with a high risk of injury action, its ok before the whistle? Its not always about the whistle. Just like such things as late hit on QB,etc.

No I'm not saying it is anything goes. I'm saying the rules are there and you play within the rules. The fact is the type of hit is a LEGAL block. The only question here is WHEN did it happen. If it happened AFTER the whistle, then yes throw the book at him. However, there has been NO evidence provided publically to show exactly what happened. So we have the word of the ref vs. the word of Jiminez. It is currently ONLY a he said/she said thing. And let's face it, EVERY fan has had their grumblings with the refs, so excuse me if I don't find them the most reliable judge at this point. Remember the Nowacki "non-catch"? Riders had the same issue with their game against Hamilton. They had 2 linemen thrown out of the game and they were looking for corroborating video evidence of which their wasn't any. So all the League had to go on then was the report of the ref. Look at the outburst that came from Riderville on that one. Here we have the same thing. Just the word of an umpire to say it was illegal - no one has even seen the play. Look at the hit on Burris, many believed that one was done after he was out of bounds and it tore his shoulder. Even with video evidence the League deemed that was a legal hit, but many would disagree. Look at the Trey Young hit on Buck Pierce, where many believed that was a piling on penalty but nothing happened and that injured Buck's shoulder and he hasn't really been back. In that same game Trey Young also took out Geroy simon and no call on that one either.

The problem here is the credibility of the League based on their past performance over the season. All I am saying is I will withhold judgement on the hit until I see something myself. Until then, the player has every right to pursue all avenues open to him to continue to make a living. It's why there is a system there in the first place. The very fact there is an appeal process shows that sometimes the League does get it wrong in these matters. Otherwise it would just be over after the initial decision by the commish.

[Stui]

You sould be a politician....lol.

heheh.. no thanks, i'm not THAT analy rententve! hehehe

No matter how you try and spin it with 'loopholes' and 'backdoor' scenario's.......if Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday, that is the same damn thing as condoning what happened.

Yeah, but I'm not spinning it. It's fact. If he appeals, the stupid appeals process makes him available to play. And it is the responsibility of any team to field it's best, available players. It's within the rules, which is what this whole thing is about, isn't it? Jiminez either breaking or not-breaking the rules with his tackle? And at this point, the team is well within the rules, as is JJ to play during the appeals process.

Don't get on the team or coach or players for doing what they're allowed to do by the rules. Get on the league's case, and get a petition to pressure them to change the stupid rules of the appeals process.

I mean, really, I don't think you have to, as with both the AJ Gass deal, and this one dragging out, they're gonna be sitting down with the CFLPA PDQ, to get a rectification agreement enacted into the current CBA.

Because, as has been noted by several people, this appeals process basically neutralizes the abilities and "long arm of the law" of the commish.

[Stui]

Who said they never sinned??? Seriously where did anyone say that? hell I just finished paying a $200 dollar speeding ticket because......guess what???........I was speeding. I never pleaded insanity or found a loophole to try and get out of my mistake which is exactly what Jimenez is doing....unless of course Friedman, Jones, Gass, Frers, Walby, Benefield, Cohon, and the officials are all duping us....

Funny.. I didn't mention any names. Hmmmm... 8)

[Stui]

hell I just finished paying a $200 dollar speeding ticket because......guess what???........I was speeding.

Woah! I just realized (yeah, was a bit slow on the uptake there) $200?!?!?! Holy crap, how much were you actually going, over the limit!?!? Heheh, WOW!

[Soundy]

No matter how you try and spin it with 'loopholes' and 'backdoor' scenario's.......if Wally dresses Jimenez on Sunday, that is the same damn thing as condoning what happened.

Yeah, but I'm not spinning it. It's fact. If he appeals, the stupid appeals process makes him available to play. And it is the responsibility of any team to field it's best, available players. It's within the rules, which is what this whole thing is about, isn't it? Jiminez either breaking or not-breaking the rules with his tackle? And at this point, the team is well within the rules, as is JJ to play during the appeals process.

Don't get on the team or coach or players for doing what they're allowed to do by the rules. Get on the league's case, and get a petition to pressure them to change the stupid rules of the appeals process.

Let's not forget, it was Wally himself who petitioned the league to make this exact type of block illegal. At this point, it's not. So Wally doesn't get the rules he wants to see... and yet it's a problem if he chooses to operate with the rules that ARE in place?

If Jiminez's appeal makes him available to play within the process and rules of the league, it would be hypocritical of Wally NOT to play him, and hypocritical of Migs to have a problem with it.

[Stui]

Hey Migs...

I sent you a PM.