2025 CFL Quarterback Carousel - VA traded to Calgary

[OV:54-40]

You sound as though Rigmaiden and McEvoy had all kinds of leverage here. The reality is, they didn't. Other teams could have just waited out BC to release him as we couldn't have gone into the season with Rourke and VA. Other QBs available on the market.


DH

When does CFL free agency start for teams in QB need being able to sign other options?

And what other better options did the Stamps have that they would prefer over VA. ?

So you figure that whoever it was for the Lions said: we want this : (i.e. a starting player plus a first round draft pick) and the Stumps replied nope, this is our counter-offer; take it or leave it ?

You know full well free agency doesn't start until February. At that point the likes of Trevor Harris, MBT, Tre Ford, Cameron Dukes, Davis Alexander and Dustin Crum might be available.......or they might not. Depending on what Maciocia might decide Alexander may not be available but Fajardo could via trade. If Dickenson is only a half-assed smart GM he will have already put his feelers out on them as options if BC's ask for Adams is too high. Rigmaiden was in no way holding all the cards in this poker game.

You also know full well that trades don't come about off of one "we want this" and "nope this is all we're giving up take it or leave it" conversation. There's always considerable back and forth discussing combinations of picks and players before common ground is met and a deal is done.

Exactly right.

So, the Lions brain-trust could have played Dickhead like a salmon going upstream for another few weeks, at least.

And, sounds to me quite like the Stamps would have rejected a higher offer, but the BC deep thinkers said: sure, good enough, for a lame return counter-offer.

[Hambone]

So If the Lions had got a 1st rounder + Jake Maier + a key special teams guy off the Stamps, that might have been decent, but still not enough IMO. They got fleeced.

Maier is a pending FA. No doubt Dickenson would have been happy to toss him in unless he thinks he can fleece a 7th round pick for him for negotiating rights prior to free agency.

There is zero trade value in Maier for BC unless BC really wants him over several other young pending FA QBs and feel they can signing him to a CFL minumum salary deal. How they fill out the QB depth chart beyond Rourke and Brice is a question that doesn't need answered until a new HC and potentially new OC are in place. Then they and Rigmaiden can talk about those pending FA QBs they want to shoot for.

[Hambone]

So, the Lions brain-trust could have played Dickenson like a salmon going upstream for another few weeks, at least.

And, sounds to me quite like the Stamps would have rejected a higher offer, but the BC deep thinkers said: sure, good enough, for a lame return counter-offer.

Fixed that for you. Why can't you show even a modicum of respect for people in this league instead of using childish Trump-like nicknames?

Maybe they try to play Dickenson a bit longer. Then he gets tired of waiting and winds up trading for Fajardo at a lesser cost, Hervey extends Ford and Rigmaiden settles for a 3rd rounder from the Riders as the best available offer, which could come off the table if they decide to bring back Harris for one more go. Could also be that Adams has some sort of roster bonus due in early January. With 2 more years on his deal I'd be surprised if he didn't. Getting a deal done in the next couple of weeks would be important to both clubs so they can continue on with the rest of their offseason work. It's also better for Adams that's it's done as soon as possible so he's not left twisting in the wind leading into Christmas.

[Toppy Vann]

These are the operative words in Hambones post.



Hambone:

Calgary and everybody else in the CFL knew BC HAD to trade VA. After shopping him around a bit I think Rigmaiden came to the conclusion only Calgary was seriously interested something no doubt Dickenson was well aware of. Hervey's arrival in EDM has changed to QB calculus there. I think they want to retain Ford now. Landing VA would only be inviting him to find work elsewhere. Also EDM doesn't have the 1st BC needed back in a deal. If BC would accept their 2nd rounder that would leave them with no picks until 22nd and only 5 for the draft.

As much as we all want an all star game changer in return, BC was under pressure to get anything back.

The other reality is the quality of QBs in the CFL right now. There are also a lot of very decent backups. Who is really desperate?

And like beauty, the quality of a CFL QB is in the eyes of the beholder.
In another 3 Down storie on Dinwiddie someday wanting to be GM is this. One man's treasure is another's cast off:

He’s (Dinwiddie) already spoken to Nick Arbuckle’s agent regarding a contract extension for the 111th Grey Cup MVP and indicated linebacker Wynton McManis is his No. 1 priority to re-sign.

Last year, Dinwiddie and McManis finalized an agreement at Local Public Eatery in Liberty Village, located in downtown Toronto.

It's not rocket science that the buyers weren't lining up and trades don't happen like they used to.

The high risk aspect for BC is Vernon Adams is that he is in the West.

Some GMs might have traded him to the East for a bag of practice balls just so they don't have to face VA 3 or more times next year and ideally to a team who wants him only as back up.


I know nothing of the Stamps only other QB under contract - PJ Walker but Maier, Shiltz, Bonner and Tommy Stevens are FA.





https://3downnation.com/2024/11/26/b-c- ... tampeders/

[B.C.FAN]

Ryan Rigmaiden discussed the trade in his media availability today. He said Calgary was the most interested from the beginning and offered the best deal. A couple of other Western teams “kicked the tires” on Adams. The Eastern teams were all set at QB.

[maxlion]

I will be very interested to see how Adams does in Calgary. Dickinson has been criticized for his work as a GM but he is still a top notch offensive mind in the CFL. It could be a great fit for VA. I wish him success. He did everything that was asked in BC and probably wasn’t treated the way he deserved in the end.

[Toppy Vann]

I will be very interested to see how Adams does in Calgary. Dickinson has been criticized for his work as a GM but he is still a top notch offensive mind in the CFL. It could be a great fit for VA. I wish him success. He did everything that was asked in BC and probably wasn’t treated the way he deserved in the end.

Dave D, has to have a come to Jesus moment IF he's to get back to where he can access his "top notch offensive mind" as it's been absent in that fog of frustration evident for 60 minutes a game.

That criticism is more about his coaching than GM it seems. And if it were just Carey sounding off, it could be dismissed but all those players comments - YIKES.

As to fit with VA, you're right .. Great fit as VA is now a superior QB than when BC got him and matured.

I want to see VA do well too but not beat the Lions like a drum if Dave D makes some huge changes and gets himself under control.

[OV:54-40]

So, the Lions brain-trust could have played Dickenson like a salmon going upstream for another few weeks, at least.

And, sounds to me quite like the Stamps would have rejected a higher offer, but the BC deep thinkers said: sure, good enough, for a lame return counter-offer.

Fixed that for you. Why can't you show even a modicum of respect for people in this league instead of using childish Trump-like nicknames?

Maybe they try to play Dickenson a bit longer. Then he gets tired of waiting and winds up trading for Fajardo at a lesser cost, Hervey extends Ford and Rigmaiden settles for a 3rd rounder from the Riders as the best available offer, which could come off the table if they decide to bring back Harris for one more go. Could also be that Adams has some sort of roster bonus due in early January. With 2 more years on his deal I'd be surprised if he didn't. Getting a deal done in the next couple of weeks would be important to both clubs so they can continue on with the rest of their offseason work. It's also better for Adams that's it's done as soon as possible so he's not left twisting in the wind leading into Christmas.

Ok, but this isn't a political forum, it's a football one, and fun, or sometimes disparaging nicknames for league big-wigs is pretty common? Or maybe I missed that as being off-limits in the forum rules here, and if so, I apologize.

And I really don't think you want to open a can of worms debate on respect for Canadian football in it's own country, do you ?

[Lui05]

So If the Lions had got a 1st rounder + Jake Maier + a key special teams guy off the Stamps, that might have been decent, but still not enough IMO. They got fleeced.

Maier is a pending FA. No doubt Dickenson would have been happy to toss him in unless he thinks he can fleece a 7th round pick for him for negotiating rights prior to free agency.

There is zero trade value in Maier for BC unless BC really wants him over several other young pending FA QBs and feel they can signing him to a CFL minumum salary deal. How they fill out the QB depth chart beyond Rourke and Brice is a question that doesn't need answered until a new HC and potentially new OC are in place. Then they and Rigmaiden can talk about those pending FA QBs they want to shoot for.

Thanks for the insight. I'm relatively informed on on-field activities, but your knowledge (or willingness to look up) past trade and current contract status of players is quite impressive.
I saw what BC got and was in the "we got fleeced" camp too. But you've shown that while we should have got more, our opportunity to get more passed when the season (more specifically, the trade deadline) ended and holding out would just got us less.
Happy we got something, and hopefully we get something good out of it by drafting well.

[OV:54-40]

Als have signed QB Davis Alexander to a contract extension.

I guess Cody Fajardo is on the outs there? Who might view him as a starter for their team ? The EE, at this point, seem the only possible destination ?

[DanoT]

I am glad that the Lions got this done early as it benefits VA and Calgary is the best fit for him and as a bonus his QB coach in Calgary is the same guy that was his coach in university.

Future Free Agent players around the CFL will take notice of BC doing right by VA. Every little bit helps in being a team players want to play for.

[don corleone]

As for MBT vs VA would it make sense for Calgary to go after a fairly immobile pure pocket passer for maybe one year when you could acquire somebody like VA wih 2 more years on his contract, who is much more dynamic and is 5 years younger? VA could be their QB for the next 4-6 years while MBT might leave them looking for another QB a year from now. Another consideration is impact at the gate where Calgary has been bleeding for a few years. VA could give them a bit of a bump. His style is certainly far more exciting for the fans. MBT isn't going to move the needle one bit. Giving up assets could be a bargain for Calgary to secure a QB solution for the foreseeable future without having to compete on the open market with other teams. There is much value for a team in Calgary's situation to have the riddle of the most important position solved early as opposed to still hanging over their heads heading into free agency.

MBT would have been plug and play for Calgary's pocket passer offence they have run since 2008. He's a good QB. I would like to see him get into coaching.

Calgary going with VA I think reflects a change in philosophy where Dave D is unlikely to be calling plays again in 2025. Stamps have some hiring to do in football ops but right now it appears Beau Baldwin will be more involved. I assume VA has already been in touch.

Agree Stamps also need to sell some tickets so this won't hurt. I look forward to seeing VA wearing a cowboy hat.

[don corleone]

I am glad that the Lions got this done early as it benefits VA and Calgary is the best fit for him and as a bonus his QB coach in Calgary is the same guy that was his coach in university.

Future Free Agent players around the CFL will take notice of BC doing right by VA. Every little bit helps in being a team players want to play for.

It would be good for the league to clarify the player remuneration policy prior to free agency.

As is the Lions will need to use marketing money to lure any star player their way and will be doing well to retain key players of their own given the constraints. I suspect they are still looking for ways to shed salary.

[don corleone]

Sweet deal for Montreal with Davis Alexander maxing out at $335,000 for 2025. Gives some room to build a team around him.

https://3downnation.com/2024/11/26/mont ... ough-2027/

[cromartie]

Find some great players with the picks, and this isn't much of a debate. Continue choking on draft choices and the verdict is less clear.