I also thought that showing the Philpot family at a Surrey bar surrounded by cheering patrons added a nice touch to the production (and value to the draft). Jalen though saying he was really hoping to get taken by Calgary.

DH

Moderator: Team Captains
Ranking every team’s 2022 CFL Draft class1. B.C. Lions
1 (3) Nathan Cherry, DT, Saskatchewan
2 (12) Noah Zerr, OL, Saskatchewan
3 (23) Josh Archibald, DE, McGill
3 (29) Ryder Varga, LB, Regina
4 (32) Adrian Greene, DB, Saint Mary’s
5 (41) Riley Pickett, DE, Saskatchewan
6 (50) Frednick Eveillard, DE, Ottawa
7 (59) John Metchie III, REC, Alabama
8 (68) Adam Wallace, DT, Ottawa
Yes, drafting John Metchie III in round seven was about as useful as lighting money on fire, but I thought the Lions hit a home run with this draft. They needed to get longer, more physical, and upgrade their special teams. They had to emerge with defensive line depth and a blue chip offensive lineman. Despite that long list of requirements, they succeeded.
Nathan Cherry may have been a surprise at third overall, but he finally gives the team the Canadian contributor in the defensive tackle rotation that they have coveted for so long. Some may have preferred Deionte Knight there, but Cherry is the more refined player right now in terms of his explosiveness and hand usage. Being able to add his Saskatchewan teammate Noah Zerr in the second round was a slam dunk, a pro ready mauler of an offensive lineman that can compete to start early and should fit exactly what Kelly Bates wants to do in the run game.
The Lions may have gone a little defensive line heavy, but in Josh Archibald, Riley Pickett and Frednick Eveillard they also got special teams mismatches of a type the team hasn’t had in years, all with the ability to develop into more. Cornerback Adrian Greene is the same way, with the length, explosiveness and physicality you covet. Ryder Varga could be the best pick of the bunch and the Lions’ patience while he returns to school should be rewarded in 2023.
I won’t begrudge the Lions for ruining my three-year streak of knowing every player in the draft when they selected Adam Wallace in the eighth round. He’s a long-term developmental play who recently ran a 4.97 forty at 275 pounds, but this draft was a major win long before he went off the board.
One thing that every new to the CFL American coach soon realizes, is that with 3 downs there is a lot more punting and with no Fair Catch, there are a lot more punt returns, making Special Teams even more special in the CFL vs NFL. So choose your Special Teams players wisely, if you are a coach.OV:54-40 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:51 pm Not many big or even smallish DEs end up being top special teams players - at least not gunner/tacklers - though they might be very good as blockers or wedge guys, which are important as well; top ST tacklers are guys like Jason Arakgi, Mike Miller or Llevi Noel - usually DB types or smallish LBs or big body receivers with some decent speed & agility, but also with the guts/ hustle/toughness part to excel.
Anyhow - if CFL GMs & coaches want to focus on special teamers with their draft approach - knock yourselves out. I'd be aiming - with all my top picks (first few rounds) for potential starters / impact players at positions of need on O & D - a Bo Lokombo or Jason Clermont or Ian Sinclair or Rick Klassen; and hope to find some gritty guys who can play STs well (and maybe be solid back-ups or rotation guys at their natural position as well) in the mid to later rounds.
Just because he might have to switch to guard in the pros, doesn't he is any less pro ready than the others. It's alot easier to move to guard, than vice versa. The only ones from this draft that might be full time tackles are Fry and Kozushka, because of their footwork.OV:54-40 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 8:06 pm We'll see which teams' draft picks have the most impact - who knows ?
Lions got some good prospects for sure, but kinda limited themselves IMO with 5 picks at one position group (D-Line). Not sure I'd rate Zerr the most pro ready - maybe if he was to get a real look at OT, but as far as interior line ready - Pelehos , Mackelllar, Hogan-Saindon might be better bets ? Also - Varga seems like a good LB prospect but the Lions already have Hladik as a good M or W LB depth guy.
IMO, the Argos & Stamps may have done better - a number of very good prospects but spread out at more positions = better chance to have more impact.
We shall see.
So what if D. Joseph is signed as well? - they're going to keep him, Betts & Menard and all of Cherry, Pickett and Archibald or even Hammond = 6 or 7 Canadian D-Linemen on the same roster ? Might be smart if they planned to start 3 Canadians there, but pigs would fly first.CrazyCanuck89 wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 7:53 pmJust because he might have to switch to guard in the pros, doesn't he is any less pro ready than the others. It's alot easier to move to guard, than vice versa. The only ones from this draft that might be full time tackles are Fry and Kozushka, because of their footwork.OV:54-40 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 8:06 pm We'll see which teams' draft picks have the most impact - who knows ?
Lions got some good prospects for sure, but kinda limited themselves IMO with 5 picks at one position group (D-Line). Not sure I'd rate Zerr the most pro ready - maybe if he was to get a real look at OT, but as far as interior line ready - Pelehos , Mackelllar, Hogan-Saindon might be better bets ? Also - Varga seems like a good LB prospect but the Lions already have Hladik as a good M or W LB depth guy.
IMO, the Argos & Stamps may have done better - a number of very good prospects but spread out at more positions = better chance to have more impact.
We shall see.
You guys need all those dlinmen because both Betts and Menard are likely to start. Archibald and Pickett provide depth at Defensive end and Cherry gives depth at Defensive end and Defensive tackle.
Yes Hladik can play both MLB and WLB, but you need more depth in case both Willams and Lokombo go down in the game. A good portion of the gunners on kickoff, are back up linebackers.
Who knows if Joesph will ever come to the Lions. Cherry will definitely be a backup, due to his versatility and who knows, maybe both Archibald and Pickett will be on the game day roster. If both can play all facets of special teams, then why not carry one more defensive end than linebacker.OV:54-40 wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 8:56 pmSo what if D. Joseph is signed as well? - they're going to keep him, Betts & Menard and all of Cherry, Pickett and Archibald or even Hammond = 6 or 7 Canadian D-Linemen on the same roster ? Might be smart if they planned to start 3 Canadians there, but pigs would fly first.CrazyCanuck89 wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 7:53 pmJust because he might have to switch to guard in the pros, doesn't he is any less pro ready than the others. It's alot easier to move to guard, than vice versa. The only ones from this draft that might be full time tackles are Fry and Kozushka, because of their footwork.OV:54-40 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 8:06 pm We'll see which teams' draft picks have the most impact - who knows ?
Lions got some good prospects for sure, but kinda limited themselves IMO with 5 picks at one position group (D-Line). Not sure I'd rate Zerr the most pro ready - maybe if he was to get a real look at OT, but as far as interior line ready - Pelehos , Mackelllar, Hogan-Saindon might be better bets ? Also - Varga seems like a good LB prospect but the Lions already have Hladik as a good M or W LB depth guy.
IMO, the Argos & Stamps may have done better - a number of very good prospects but spread out at more positions = better chance to have more impact.
We shall see.
You guys need all those dlinmen because both Betts and Menard are likely to start. Archibald and Pickett provide depth at Defensive end and Cherry gives depth at Defensive end and Defensive tackle.
Yes Hladik can play both MLB and WLB, but you need more depth in case both Willams and Lokombo go down in the game. A good portion of the gunners on kickoff, are back up linebackers.
And is G-Messam - former starter - still not in the mix at LB to go with Lokombo, Williams and Hladik? The notion of piling on a whole bunch of Canadians at a certain position for the sake of good old "depth", becomes myopic for some CFL teams IMO.
Could have drafted a top notch U Sports RB like Tucker (Queens) in an obvious area of need instead of over-loading on D-linemen; or drafted one of the good safety prospects (the Riders got 3 of them in the mid to late rounds).
Nothing wrong with being able to get a top O-line prospect like Zerr; we shall see where he lines up or if he pans out; not sure I put much stock in CFL draft prospect prognosticators writing off Canadian OTs for "foot work" issues. Wonder if Knevel progresses to starter ?
Whatever happened to your favourite training camp term......competition? Isn't bringing that many to camp making for competition for 3 to 5 active and PR spots fostering competition? Or should they only bring in enough prospects to fill those spots and gift them the jobs?OV:54-40 wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 8:56 pm So what if D. Joseph is signed as well? - they're going to keep him, Betts & Menard and all of Cherry, Pickett and Archibald or even Hammond = 6 or 7 Canadian D-Linemen on the same roster ? Might be smart if they planned to start 3 Canadians there, but pigs would fly first.
And is G-Messam - former starter - still not in the mix at LB to go with Lokombo, Williams and Hladik? The notion of piling on a whole bunch of Canadians at a certain position for the sake of good old "depth", becomes myopic for some CFL teams IMO.
Could have drafted a top notch U Sports RB like Tucker (Queens) in an obvious area of need instead of over-loading on D-linemen; or drafted one of the good safety prospects (the Riders got 3 of them in the mid to late rounds).
Nothing wrong with being able to get a top O-line prospect like Zerr; we shall see where he lines up or if he pans out; not sure I put much stock in CFL draft prospect prognosticators writing off Canadian OTs for "foot work" issues. Wonder if Knevel progresses to starter ?
I find Archibald intriguing as I believe he has good potential to make an impact on special teams. I'll be watching him closely in TC.Hambone wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 11:45 amWhatever happened to your favourite training camp term......competition? Isn't bringing that many to camp making for competition for 3 to 5 active and PR spots fostering competition? Or should they only bring in enough prospects to fill those spots and gift them the jobs?OV:54-40 wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 8:56 pm So what if D. Joseph is signed as well? - they're going to keep him, Betts & Menard and all of Cherry, Pickett and Archibald or even Hammond = 6 or 7 Canadian D-Linemen on the same roster ? Might be smart if they planned to start 3 Canadians there, but pigs would fly first.
And is G-Messam - former starter - still not in the mix at LB to go with Lokombo, Williams and Hladik? The notion of piling on a whole bunch of Canadians at a certain position for the sake of good old "depth", becomes myopic for some CFL teams IMO.
Could have drafted a top notch U Sports RB like Tucker (Queens) in an obvious area of need instead of over-loading on D-linemen; or drafted one of the good safety prospects (the Riders got 3 of them in the mid to late rounds).
Nothing wrong with being able to get a top O-line prospect like Zerr; we shall see where he lines up or if he pans out; not sure I put much stock in CFL draft prospect prognosticators writing off Canadian OTs for "foot work" issues. Wonder if Knevel progresses to starter ?
Currently on the TC roster they have the following for NAT DL:
Vets:
56 David Menard
90 Mathieu Betts
Rookies:
74 Frednick Eveillard - his route to a career is on special teams. Finding a true position can follow later.
76 Adam Wallace - long shot most likely to take what he learns in camp back to Ottawa to continue developing with Gee Gees in 2022
78 Riley Pickett - not sure about special teams potential but should be able to land a PR spot and be ready should injuries to those on the 46 occur.
91 Nathan Cherry - should be able to secure a spot in the DL rotation. He will have to disappoint in camp to not do so.
94 Joshua Archibald - 4.77 40 and quicker 3-cone and shuttle times than RBs like Machart and Tucker and LBs such as Edwards and Penney-Laryea indicates he can immediately contribute on special teams while vying for DL reps.
Court Hammond is no longer with the club. He was released a week ago.
That's my take on what you perceive to be way too many NAT DL.
Menard & Betts split a NAT starting role.
Cherry gets in on the rotation.
Eveillard and Archibald start out on special teams.
Pickett starts on the PR
Wallace goes back to USports.
If that still seems like too many keep in mind Menard turns 32 in July and I believe is only on a 1 year deal. He's here for a good time, not a long time. Whether they wind up signing him again for 2023 or not now is the time to start developing his replacement. And if Betts doesn't bounce back this year there could be further need for this year's draft picks. Drafting is never about the current year. If a draft pick turns out to be a stud who can make significant immediate impact that's a bonus. For drafting teams it's what their 2022 picks can do for them and what their roster might look lke in 2023 and 2024 that really justifies the selections.
As for Zerr all I can say is any OT with slow feet or "foot work issues" at the collegiate level will become a turnstile at the pro level. I see him as becoming a guard at the pro level if Bates can't help him improve that aspect. I think Knevel will get every shot at the LG vacancy left by Steward. I thought he has done well as the Swiss Army Knife back up OL. I think he filled in at every OL position except maybe centre at one time or another last year. He certainly deserves the opportunity.