Setting it Straight!

[TJ103]

I'll say it again IT IS THE FACT THE OFFENSE IS ONLY ON THE FIELD FOR 1/4 OF THE GAME!! WHERE THE DF HAS TO MAKE UP FOR IT AND PLAY 3/4 OF THE GAME.. I dont care what anybody says if you played 3/4 of the game by the end of the season you're going to be bagged! But they still go out there and play their HEARTS out !! I know the Offense does to but if the other team can read and defeat your OC (JC) PLAYS ALMOST EVERY TIME because his plays are SO predictable .. how can you blame the DF!! Come on enough is enough !! DF is NOT TO BLAME we've always had the best defense in the League hands down!!! Someones gotta put it straight !!!

[B.C.FAN]

I'll say it again IT IS THE FACT THE OFFENSE IS ONLY ON THE FIELD FOR 1/4 OF THE GAME!! WHERE THE DF HAS TO MAKE UP FOR IT AND PLAY 3/4 OF THE GAME.. I dont care what anybody says if you played 3/4 of the game by the end of the season you're going to be bagged! But they still go out there and play their HEARTS out !! I know the Offense does to but if the other team can read and defeat your OC (JC) PLAYS ALMOST EVERY TIME because his plays are SO predictable .. how can you blame the DF!! Come on enough is enough !! DF is NOT TO BLAME we've always had the best defense in the League hands down!!! Someones gotta put it straight !!!

You can make your point as many times as you like. That doesn't make it accurate.

B.C. offensive plays: 1,403
B.C. defensive plays: 1,378

Offensive 1st downs made: 352
Defensive 1st downs allowed: 328

Offensive time of possession: 30:09
Opponent time of possession: 29:51

[notahomer]

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B.C. offensive plays: 1,403
B.C. defensive plays: 1,378

Offensive 1st downs made: 352
Defensive 1st downs allowed: 328

Offensive time of possession: 30:09
Opponent time of possession: 29:51

Thanks for those Stats, B.C. FAN, looks like special teams are to blame, IMO

I had no idea the stats were that close, they sure don't seem like it. Then again, there were times when our offense seemed to struggle so much that our defence was on the field way too long and thats when the defence REALLY STRUGGLED too....

[sj-roc]

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B.C. offensive plays: 1,403
B.C. defensive plays: 1,378

Offensive 1st downs made: 352
Defensive 1st downs allowed: 328

Offensive time of possession: 30:09
Opponent time of possession: 29:51

Thanks for those Stats, B.C. FAN, looks like special teams are to blame, IMO

I had no idea the stats were that close, they sure don't seem like it. Then again, there were times when our offense seemed to struggle so much that our defence was on the field way too long and thats when the defence REALLY STRUGGLED too....

I'd like to see the game-by-game breakdown on the year if it's available. One supposes we usually come out on top in the wins and not so much in the losses, with — based on an 11-7 record and how small the differentials turned out at season's end — perhaps the edge in the former often not so great as the deficit in the latter. The ST comparison might also offer some insights.

[BC 1988]

http://www.oddsshark.com/cfl/offensive-stats

If you look at the league average TOP, there isn't a great disparity from best to worst, since it's averaged over the whole season.
I think a more interesting stat, (if it's compiled) would be the number of 2 and outs both generated by the offense and caused by the defense.
Also red zone scoring % for O vs red zone scoring prevention by the D.

[B.C.FAN]

http://www.oddsshark.com/cfl/offensive-stats

If you look at the league average TOP, there isn't a great disparity from best to worst, since it's averaged over the whole season.
I think a more interesting stat, (if it's compiled) would be the number of 2 and outs both generated by the offense and caused by the defense.
Also red zone scoring % for O vs red zone scoring prevention by the D.

The league does a good job of compiling stats on just about everything. Most of them can be found in the weekly Game Notes under the Media tab at bclions.com. For the regular-season stats, including game-by-game stats, go to the game notes for the WSF: Link
There are a lot more stats at cfl.ca and cflmedia.ca.

Red-zone scoring and 2-and-outs are readily available in the game notes at bclions.com and weekly stats analysis at cflmedia.ca:

Red zone: The B.C. offence ranked second behind Toronto in red-zone scoring this year, coming away with a touchdown on 64.4% of trips inside the opposition 20-yard line. The B.C. defence ranked dead last in the red zone, giving up a TD on 70.0% of opponent trips inside the B.C. 20 yard line. Toronto's defence led the league in the red zone, as did their offence. Their defence gave up touchdowns on only 46.6% of opponent possessions inside the 20-yard-line. An inability of certain B.C. players to defend the corner route in the end zone was exploited time after time in man coverage all season.

2 and outs: The B.C. offence had 130 2-and-outs, which was sixth best in the league. That's a stat that really suffered late in the season when Lulay was hurt and the running game was struggling. After the first six games (one-third of the season), B.C.'s
offence had committed the third fewest 2-and-outs. Things improved again at the end of the season when Logan was added to the lineup. The B.C. defence forced 119 2-and-outs, which was fourth best in the league. That ranking was pretty consistent all year.

[BC 1988]

Thanks for the links and info, B.C.FAN. The game-by-game stats really show what a roller coaster ride this season was (for most of the league--I don't think I've ever seen any year where so many teams had to start rookie QB's, with varying degrees of success).

[Rammer]

http://www.oddsshark.com/cfl/offensive-stats

If you look at the league average TOP, there isn't a great disparity from best to worst, since it's averaged over the whole season.
I think a more interesting stat, (if it's compiled) would be the number of 2 and outs both generated by the offense and caused by the defense.
Also red zone scoring % for O vs red zone scoring prevention by the D.

The league does a good job of compiling stats on just about everything. Most of them can be found in the weekly Game Notes under the Media tab at bclions.com. For the regular-season stats, including game-by-game stats, go to the game notes for the WSF: Link
There are a lot more stats at cfl.ca and cflmedia.ca.

Red-zone scoring and 2-and-outs are readily available in the game notes at bclions.com and weekly stats analysis at cflmedia.ca:

Red zone: The B.C. offence ranked second behind Toronto in red-zone scoring this year, coming away with a touchdown on 64.4% of trips inside the opposition 20-yard line. The B.C. defence ranked dead last in the red zone, giving up a TD on 70.0% of opponent trips inside the B.C. 20 yard line. Toronto's defence led the league in the red zone, as did their offence. Their defence gave up touchdowns on only 46.6% of opponent possessions inside the 20-yard-line. An inability of certain B.C. players to defend the corner route in the end zone was exploited time after time in man coverage all season.

2 and outs: The B.C. offence had 130 2-and-outs, which was sixth best in the league. That's a stat that really suffered late in the season when Lulay was hurt and the running game was struggling. After the first six games (one-third of the season), B.C.'s
offence had committed the third fewest 2-and-outs. Things improved again at the end of the season when Logan was added to the lineup. The B.C. defence forced 119 2-and-outs, which was fourth best in the league. That ranking was pretty consistent all year.

Basically an average team with a less than average result in the final analysis.

[Sir Purrcival]

.......
B.C. offensive plays: 1,403
B.C. defensive plays: 1,378

Offensive 1st downs made: 352
Defensive 1st downs allowed: 328

Offensive time of possession: 30:09
Opponent time of possession: 29:51

Thanks for those Stats, B.C. FAN, looks like special teams are to blame, IMO

I had no idea the stats were that close, they sure don't seem like it. Then again, there were times when our offense seemed to struggle so much that our defence was on the field way too long and thats when the defence REALLY STRUGGLED too....

The stats tell you something but to really interpret them, you need to know how they compar4e to the best teams in the league this year. Time of possession on O and D were close but how were they on Calgary. RedZone scoring was good, but how many times did they make the Red Zone compared to other teams? When you start looking at those you begin to see some trends.

BC Ranks 4 overall.

Who was behind, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Edmonton and Montreal.

Winnipeg - no QB to speak of - Fired head coach at end of year
Hamilton - inconsistent QB, really young , first year with new head coach
Edmonton - Rookie QB in first full season - Fired Head Coach at end of year
Montreal - New head coach, fired after 4 games, taken over by GM and without HOF QB after half the season.

So we managed to come in ahead of 4 teams in the midst of transition or in outright turmoil, Either with new coaches or interim coaches and all without any solid QB's for most if not all of the season. Not really encouraging.

So who did we come in behind?

Calgary - playing their acknowledged B/U QB for most of the season - without one of their team leaders in the receiving corp for most the season.
Toronto - same story, playing a large part of the season without their starting QB and large portions without their starting RB.
Sask - This team loaded up in the Off Season - mostly experienced Oline and D but added a Simon in the receiving corps too.

Of all eight teams, you might expect to perform behind the Riders as they had the most consistency during the season and depth as well. We faced our adversities too but in the end we were able to come out better than teams that were either rebuilding or imploding.

[B.C.FAN]

The stats tell you something but to really interpret them, you need to know how they compar4e to the best teams in the league this year. Time of possession on O and D were close but how were they on Calgary. RedZone scoring was good, but how many times did they make the Red Zone compared to other teams? When you start looking at those you begin to see some trends.

There are lots of stats available for analysis, mostly in the Game Notes, if you're willing to dig. For example, I just realized the Lions led the league in red-zone scoring with 38 TDs from inside the opposition 20 yard line in addition to finishing second in red-zone percentage behind the Argos, who had far fewer trips to the red zone. Here's a ranking of the six playoff teams by red-zone TDs in the regular season:

1. B.C. 38 TDs on 59 opportunities (64.4%)
2. Cal 35 TDs on 64 opportunities (54.7%)
3. Tor 32 TDs on 46 opportunities (70.0%)
4. Sas 31 TDs on 62 opportunities (50.0%)
5. Ham 29 TDs on 57 opportunities (50.8%)
6. Mtl 23 TDs on 48 opportunities (47.9%)

[Sir Purrcival]

Ok, so the one stat may run a bit counter to logic but the more you break it down...

In the Grand Scheme, on offence, the Lions were

6th in Total Offence
6th in Passing Yards
3rd in Rushing Yards (albeit a distant 3rd)

I don't believe the stats for the D.
Lions are reported as #1 on D but were 3rd against the pass and 4th against the run
How that translates to #1 overall, I don't know especially when the Riders ranked #1 in both categories.

As for things like Punting Ave, near the bottom
Point kicked, a distant 4th.
We were 2nd in combined return yards but Tim Brown couldn't make the team the last few games.

I skip the defensive side somewhat but we were something like 6th in sacks.
We were middle of the pack in interceptions.

I think Rammer said it best, an average team with an average result. (I'm more charitable than he is .

[Rammer]

Ok, so the one stat may run a bit counter to logic but the more you break it down...

In the Grand Scheme, on offence, the Lions were

6th in Total Offence
6th in Passing Yards
3rd in Rushing Yards (albeit a distant 3rd)

I don't believe the stats for the D.
Lions are reported as #1 on D but were 3rd against the pass and 4th against the run
How that translates to #1 overall, I don't know especially when the Riders ranked #1 in both categories.

As for things like Punting Ave, near the bottom
Point kicked, a distant 4th.
We were 2nd in combined return yards but Tim Brown couldn't make the team the last few games.

I skip the defensive side somewhat but we were something like 6th in sacks.
We were middle of the pack in interceptions.

I think Rammer said it best, an average team with an average result. (I'm more charitable than he is .

Lions will be selecting 5th in the draft, that places them in the bottom 4, so I went with less than average....

[B.C.FAN]

Lions will be selecting 5th in the draft, that places them in the bottom 4, so I went with less than average....

The Lions may get to move up in the draft if it turns out that the "average" Grey Cup championship team they tied with an 11-7 record exceeded the SMS.

[DanoT]

I'd rate the Lions as the 3rd best team in the CFL. A team that mostly under achived was epitomized in the WSF as they were as good as or better than the opponent for 3/4 of the game but didn't have the finish and couldn't get it done in the fourth quarter. Yet they gave the Riders a tougher tighter game than Calgary or Hamilton in the playoffs/GC.

[Rammer]

Lions will be selecting 5th in the draft, that places them in the bottom 4, so I went with less than average....

The Lions may get to move up in the draft if it turns out that the "average" Grey Cup championship team they tied with an 11-7 record exceeded the SMS.

No moving up, as the draft order is reverse of the standings for the non playoff teams, and then reverse order of where each team finished in the playoffs for the playoff contenders, thus Saskatchewan selects last unless they are in violation of the SMS.

BTW, does that mean that the GC would be tarnished, or do they reap the rewards of a GC win regardless of the SMS?