To the Lions and their Fans.....

[No Ordinary Joe]

I'm sorry to say this but in my experiences, minus a select few, Rider fans are pigs and nothing makes me angrier than to hear this BS label of "best fans in the CFL." Whether it's online or inside BC Place or the joke that happened last night or the manure dumping incident I've seen so many instances of Rider fans gloating, reveling in an injury to an opposing player (DD last season in particular), whining about everything under the sun, being completely disrespectful and just generally acting like complete idiotic jackasses. Never in all of my experiences have I seen a group of people so distasteful, arrogant and smug as Rider fans and my apologies to those of you who are actually decent, but, on a whole I absolutely loathe Rider fans and the team they cheer for, last night was just a microcosm of past experiences wrapped into one and is the biggest reason why last night's win was so satisfying that we were able to stick it up their asses and take the season series. It looks good on them and they deserve it. I hate the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

Gee, NOJ, tell us how you really feel! Don't hold back now! :lol:

:lol: Sorry, I'm still fired up from last night.

[joesports]

I'm sorry to say this but in my experiences, minus a select few, Rider fans are pigs and nothing makes me angrier than to hear this BS label of "best fans in the CFL." Whether it's online or inside BC Place or the joke that happened last night or the manure dumping incident I've seen so many instances of Rider fans gloating, reveling in an injury to an opposing player (DD last season in particular), whining about everything under the sun, being completely disrespectful and just generally acting like complete idiotic jackasses. Never in all of my experiences have I seen a group of people so distasteful, arrogant and smug as Rider fans and my apologies to those of you who are actually decent, but, on a whole I absolutely loathe Rider fans and the team they cheer for, last night was just a microcosm of past experiences wrapped into one and is the biggest reason why last night's win was so satisfying that we were able to stick it up their asses and take the season series. It looks good on them and they deserve it. I hate the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

Gee, NOJ, tell us how you really feel! Don't hold back now! :lol:

:lol: :lol:

I will say I loathe Rider fans as a whole. They always have this "holier than thou" attitude. I find it difficult to take anything they say with any credibility. They talk about "class" yet are not willing to realize they have "no class". I must say their fans are not only "Poor Losers" but they are "Poor Winners" as well.

[ilovetheriders]

Great post Migs! I had an absolute blast at TF tonight. Trust me when I say I was the ONLY Lions fan in my section, and the people around me were a riot! There were about 6 20 something guys sitting beside me and around me, and we were laughing and high fiving all night. Near the end they shared their pizza with me, and one guy went above and beyond by letting me use his cell to text SM, when my battery died, just so he wouldn't worry. It was this kind of experience that would make me want to go back in a second. I was prepared for the worst, and received the best. Thanks Rider fans! [/quote]

Glad you had a blast, I knew you would. As for the fans throwing beer cans I have zero tolerance for this, and yes it is embarrassing for this to happen. I know that the MAJORITY of fans are not like this. I attended my first game at B-C last week, I had a great time, some really good conversations with B-C fans.

[K-Dogg]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

[Vern Halen]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

[lion24]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

Oh whatever Troll go back to RF.... :lol: :lol: just kidding buddy, if any Lion players threw anything into the crowd that is ridiculous and they should be punished as they are just as bad if not worse than the idiot fans.

[Belize City Lion]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

Oh whatever Troll go back to RF.... :lol: :lol: just kidding buddy, if any Lion players threw anything into the crowd that is ridiculous and they should be punished as they are just as bad if not worse than the idiot fans.

post game on 1040 Wally said he moved his team to mid field during the beer can shower because he didn't want any of his guys going into the stands!

[wildthing]

good stuff Migs, I missed this thread and started an apology as well. Kudos to the Lions on a big win as well.

[K-Dogg]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

Oh whatever Troll go back to RF.... :lol: :lol: just kidding buddy, if any Lion players threw anything into the crowd that is ridiculous and they should be punished as they are just as bad if not worse than the idiot fans.

No, the Lions are not worse off than the fans, the fans look much worse. Unless there is some evidence to show that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands, then I could see a fine possibly heading his way. As of now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Riders are fined for what happened.

[Belize City Lion]

As of now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Riders are fined for what happened.

That's a tough one... should a team really be penalized for the actions of it's fans? I think there may already be an existing rule that says something like if fans cause a delay of game the home team could be assessed a penalty (or maybe I'm thinking of the NBA?) but I doubt this is/has ever been enforced. It also puts a home team in danger of getting penalized by the actions of covert opposing fans who could cause a disturbance in order to help the visiting team.

Plus no CFL team owns or manages their stadium so in many ways they are at the mercy of that facility in terms of security, crowd control, and alcohol policy.

What I would like to see the CFL to come up with a league policy for stadium security (ie. no sale of canned beer) and a list of possible sanctions for teams who do not play in a stadium that adheres to that policy. So for example, following the beer can incident in Regina the league could access a "no alcohol" sanction at Rider home games for X number of games, or until the league is satisfied that sufficient controls are in place to ensure a safe venue for players and fans alike. While alcohol sales may be controlled by the City of Regina, the CFL should be able to tell the Riders that if liquor is on sale at their home games while the sanctions are in place that they will be assessed a fine, or in the most extreme cases, forfeit the game.

[Rammer]

Riders should just put up plexiglass protection on the visitors side of the field, it would eliminate a few of the intangibles that go along with a football game.

[ziggy]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

?? So that, if it happened, kind of makes it OK??

[Sir Purrcival]

"Fired" is such a loaded term as well. Lots of players "throw" balls into the stands. I seriously doubt that a Lion player deliberately threw a ball at fans with the intention of hitting anybody. The whole incident was a messy thing that is best not seen again at any CFL game. I do think it might be time for Rider fans to take a long hard look at the mindset that makes them the "Best fans" in the league. The most fervent perhaps but this is not the first time where their devotion has led them down the path of aggressive and threatening behaviour. While perhaps worded more strongly that I might have said it, Rider fans have a reputation everywhere else in this country. They are the most passionate and by extension the most extreme in both good and bad ways.. Some of the incidents have been mentioned already and they don't bear repeating. Even now, some of them are still talking about the classless Lions and their coach in the face of this latest incident. The high road seems to be sorely missing for these misguided individuals. Sometimes it is better just to say nothing in the face of the indefensible even if your personal feelings lead you to think otherwise. Not one reasonable person believes that Rider fans are the only ones capable of this kind of thing, however, the classy thing (which many of them have done) is to face the glare and admit that this was a deplorable act. There can be no mitigation for life threatening behaviour. Time for some of these fans to take a maturity pill and realize that stupid behaviour is just that. If it weren't for the likes of Vern Halen and Migs and other Rider posters who come here in friendship and camaraderie, Rider fans and by extension the province of Saskatchewan would not place highly. That they place well at all is due to the positive contributions of these knowledgeable and reasonable posters. They and those like them are most welcome here and I hope they continue to feel so in the coming months and years.

[K-Dogg]

"Fired" is such a loaded term as well. Lots of players "throw" balls into the stands. I seriously doubt that a Lion player deliberately threw a ball at fans with the intention of hitting anybody. The whole incident was a messy thing that is best not seen again at any CFL game. I do think it might be time for Rider fans to take a long hard look at the mindset that makes them the "Best fans" in the league. The most fervent perhaps but this is not the first time where their devotion has led them down the path of aggressive and threatening behaviour. While perhaps worded more strongly that I might have said it, Rider fans have a reputation everywhere else in this country. They are the most passionate and by extension the most extreme in both good and bad ways.. Some of the incidents have been mentioned already and they don't bear repeating. Even now, some of them are still talking about the classless Lions and their coach in the face of this latest incident. The high road seems to be sorely missing for these misguided individuals. Sometimes it is better just to say nothing in the face of the indefensible even if your personal feelings lead you to think otherwise. Not one reasonable person believes that Rider fans are the only ones capable of this kind of thing, however, the classy thing (which many of them have done) is to face the glare and admit that this was a deplorable act. There can be no mitigation for life threatening behaviour. Time for some of these fans to take a maturity pill and realize that stupid behaviour is just that. If it weren't for the likes of Vern Halen and Migs and other Rider posters who come here in friendship and camaraderie, Rider fans and by extension the province of Saskatchewan would not place highly. That they place well at all is due to the positive contributions of these knowledgeable and reasonable posters. They and those like them are most welcome here and I hope they continue to feel so in the coming months and years.

Good post.

[K-Dogg]

I'm curious if any Lions fans were right there behind the bench and could tell me what they saw. From what I'm reading on riderfans is that Marsh "fired" the ball into the stands and struck a 60 year old man in the head and that's when the beer cans came raining down. It supposedly had nothing to do with the facemask call (which was borderline at best). Regardless of whether or not Marsh "fired" the ball or not, nobody should ever throw anything at players. The whole incident has me feeling embarrassed. As for the taunting, it happens everywhere where fans taunt players and players taunt fans. If you're going to taunt someone, expect something back in return. However, if Marsh did throw a ball into the stands (and not as a souvenir) but to hurt someone, then that too is crossing the line. Thoughts?

I wasn't there - I didn't see anything on TV so I cannot speculate on any Lions player's actions or lack thereof - until I see proof with my own eyes, then I cannot comment on what may or may not have happened...

That being said: IF marsh "fired" the ball and IF it stuck an older Rider fan and IF a couple Rider fans took exception and fired beer cans and IF a Lion player threw one back, then there an explanation as to why is started raining Pilsner last night - not an excuse, or a reason or justification (which there should not be), just a explanation - not saying it's right, but there it is.

There's to many IF's there to convict any Lion player...

?? So that, if it happened, kind of makes it OK??

Not at all. Like I said before, nothing warrants throwing anything at players. I was just wondering if what is being posted on riderfans is true at all or just what some fans want to believe.