Geroy Whining Again!!

[Tighthead]

Geroy likes Chap's offence because deep down he likes blocking blitzing linebackers. :lol:

"They have me running routes every damn passing play - have you ever heard of something like that? Crazy. Who is going to block - a fullback? We haven't even had a fullback on the roster in years ..."

[Shaggy]

I think the D can take a lot of credit for many of those points.
At the moment, I can't bring up the number of points directly scored by the D, but they certainly provided a LOT of short fields for the O to work with as well.

I saw the comments Geroy made, and I interpret them a bit differently.
I don't see him acting like Printers or Simpson.
I don't think it's about him, it's about "them"...the entire offense. They didn't get it done yesterday ( and that includes the coaches ).
Everyone on that roster should be frustrated and disappointed.
It would be different if they had showed up and played their guts out, but they just didn't bring their A game yesterday.
There were brief periods of good play, but all in all, it wasn't their best effort.
Missed completions, dropped balls, poor interceptions, taking sacks instead of throwing it away, bad reads, blown assignments.
They did it all. They were consistently inconsistent yesterday.
It happened in other games too, but they were able to overcome it with timely plays. Yesterday, that wasn't the case.

Geroy's statement was right. It was reasonable. He didn't throw anyone under the bus IMO.

[Blitz]

Special teams and turnovers went a long, long way to giving us a short field on a lot of our points this year.
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We had more turnovers last season and almost every defensive player scoered a touchdown last year. How many defensive touchdowns did we have this season? No many!!

The fact is that we finished first in the league in scoring this season and we didn't last year and we did it with less turnovers by our defense and far less defensive touchdowns.

Geroy also didn't say our offence was 'inconsistent" He said it 'struggled' all season" It didn't!! It stuggled early though. Geroy wasn't saying our offence was 'struggling' in the second half, when we were throwing to him a lot.

The fact is that when Geroy is getting thrown to a lot he's happy and when he isn't he's a cancer!! You like to hear Geroy saying it like it is...well that's the way it really is!!

In 2005, when he was unhappy again in the first half of that season and Dickenson wasn't getting him the ball and Printers came in and started throwing to Geroy ...he said "Printers is "The Man"! However, when Dickenson threw to him a ton last year suddenly Dickenson was "The Man"

Geroy whined about our offence and losing The Chap for the first half of the season. Then he got into Buck's face. Then, when he had a break out game he yelled in Wally's face.

He's very talented...no question! But he's also immature and not a leader. He's a fair weather player. When it's going his way he's happy. When it's not he sulks and he can be caustic!!

I recognize his significant contributions to our Leos. I think he's still the best receiver in the league. However, that doesn't excuse his comments or his behavior when things are tough out there for him!!

Talent is not an excuse for a lack of leadership or teammanship! Printers took a beating on this website for a lot less. Geroy says it like it is is not acceptable. He's part of a team and he just criiticized his coaches. If he has a problem he should talk to them...not give out cheap shots in the press!!

[TheLionKing]

Well said Blitz

[No Ordinary Joe]

Calling him a cancer is a bit extreme don't you think?

[hexx]

Like I've said before, if Geroy is the CFL's primadonna, it's a credit to the league. Compared to some of the bigheaded receivers south of the border, he's practically a saint. He may not be the most selfless player on the planet, but his comments and attitude are usually reasonable. I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. Chapdelaine actually got his act together last season, leaving like he did was an ego trip and it pulled the rug out from under the team. With his offence Geroy had the season of his life, was MOP and got his first ring. After the disaster that was Sunday afternoon, I would expect to hear some emotion. I don't want every player on the team to do the robot act and give the form response. I don't think he was too far out of line with what he said.

[Shaggy]

I'm sorry, but I think Printers is WAY more of a "me" guy than Geroy.
I'm also willing to cut Geroy a little more slack than a guy like Printers, because Geroy's actually paid his dues.
Printers was complaining after one good season. He was hurt in '05 until he got the chance to start and then was miraculously ready to play.
I appreciate Casey's talent, but not his attitude. ( Printers had to start backtracking on comments he made his first week in Hamilton. )

I appreciate Geroy's talent AND his attitude. Geroy is passionate about winning.
I know the whole "what happens in the room - stays in the room" mantra, and I get it.
However, I also appreciate athletes that answer direct questions with actual responses instead of cliches.
I would like to see a clip that includes the question he was asked. I really can't fault a guy for answering honestly. It wasn't overly critical IMO.

I would also imagine there's been things said to the coaches that are far more direct than anything we heard yesterday or today.
These guys don't like to lose. I'll take that over a guy who thinks otherwise.
Did we not also have members of the O-Line questioning the offense earlier in the year ( Angus Reid comes to mind ... correct me if I'm wrong ) ?
I recall Wally taking him to task over that comment ( kind of the same "keep it in the room" thing ) but Angus was right at the time.

Anyhow, it's all over until next year.

[lou harris]

Normally not a poster, just a reader.

To say the offense wasn't inconsistent this year (let alone yesterday) is pretty lame. Think back to last year how easily & consistently the Lions moved the ball and then witness the last month or so.

Geroy's comments are bang on. I TOTALLY agree with him. The truth is the truth. I'd rather hear that than a bunch of dribble.

[Blitz]

No it's not natural. You didn't hear any other Leo player saying anything like it. You haven't heard Clermont say anything and he was almost killed out there with suicide passses.

You never hear Clermont *beeotch* if he isn't getting thrown to. Last season we threw to Simon constantly. He got his 1856 yards and our next best receiver was Paris Jackson, who got 636 yards. We were very unbalanced. Clermont only was thrown to for a little over 500 yards last season. It was the Geroy show and that's the way he wants it!!

This season we had two 1000 yard recievers and Paris Jackson almost got 1000. We did that with Joe Smith leading the league in rushing. We led the league in scoring.

Of course, Geroy would be happy if we ran the ball less with Joe Smith and threw to the other receivers less and threw to him more. However, in that situation, when they shut down Geroy you're offence is in a lot more trouble. In the Grey Cup game last year Geroy nor Clermont caught a pass.

The only reason that Geroy had a bad start was he was in a sulk. He got into a sulk in 2005. Anyone who is close to the Leos organization knows what Geroy can be like. It's time he was called on it!! It's not just a couple of comments to the press and still talking about "Jaques' and our offence 'struggling all year" The fact is that when he is not getting the football, even when it's his own fault, like in the first half of the season when he was running half hearted patterns, he undermines!! He sets a bad example for younger receivers.

Josh Boden doesn't need to observe Geroy's attitude as a role model for how your veteran receiver should act when he's not getting the football.
Geroy was undermining with his comments...plain and simple and he's made a lot of them... and he doesn't deserve a pass just because he is talented. Our Leos are the B.C. Lions not Geroy's Lions. He's not the center of the universe and the team doesn't revolve around him.

I'm not blowing things out of proportion hexx. He really is an underminer on this team when things aren't going his way and that's a fact and in fact he is a cancer when things don't go his way No Ordinary Joe! You can give him a pass but I'm sick of it and I'm glad I said it...no matter how much flak comes my way!!

[Shaggy]

You never hear Clermont *beeotch* if he isn't getting thrown to. Last season we threw to Simon constantly. He got his 1856 yards and our next best receiver was Paris Jackson, who got 636 yards. We were very unbalanced. Clermont only was thrown to for a little over 500 yards last season. It was the Geroy show and that's the way he wants it!!

Clermont missed 7 games last year. He would've had a third straight 1000 plus yards receiving that year if he hadn't been injured if you extract the #'s over a full season. I don't that projection is unreasonable, since he'd done it twice previously, and he did it again this year. Perhaps Geroy got a good share of the yardage JC would've seen while he was out? Jackson's also more polished this year than he was last year, as is to be expected as he continues to improve.

As far as Geroy mentoring Boden, I think that Paris Jackson is already fulfilling that role with Boden in an excellent fashion.

[Lastunas]

Blitz. It sounds like your upset (so am I) and you're looking for a whipping boy.

If you're looking to hang Sunday's loss on any one player. I could give you a dozen names before Geroy.

He tells it like it is. I agreed with most of his criticisms this season. Not hiring an offensive coordinator was a bad idea. That two headed monster that is Kruck/Dorazio was a problem all year. Yes we were the highest scoring team, but we didn't have the best offence by a long shot:

Lions Team Rank:
Passing Offence -- 246.9 yards per game (6th in CFL);
Rushing Offence -- 120.8 ypg (3rd);
Total Offence -- 346.8 ypg (5th). 8)

A fifth place offence won't win you a Grey Cup. Nor should it.
Joe Smith's 1510 yards and Geroy's 1293 yards kind of clouds the picture somewhat. Our offence was never balanced this year.

I'm hoping Geroy's comments will facilitate changes in the off-season

[Canuck_4_Life]

I believe the point he was driving at was the fact they operated, albeit for a short period of time, with 4 different QBs (Dickenson, Pierce, Jackson, Giduigli) and each has their own style. Dickenson and Pierce are similar, Jackson has the arm strength and we haven't seen enough of Gino to make an accurate assessment.

Obviously going from 1700+yds down to 1300 will be a disappointment for a playmaker like Geroy, and a lot of those big plays were often him using his speed.

[CartWheelFan]

No it's not natural. You didn't hear any other Leo player saying anything like it. You haven't heard Clermont say anything and he was almost killed out there with suicide passses!

AMEN!! It's tough for a fan to sit there and watch his favourite player get nearly decapitated out there! Frankly I'm still amazed he got up and walked away from that. Can't name another player on either team that would have been able to do that.

[WestCoastJoe]

That said, it rankles football fans, like myself, when criticism of this nature (particularly that part about missing an assistant coach who left of his own accord at the expense of the current person or persons in the position) is made public. Is it whining? Well, that depends on your definition. I don't necessarily think so, but I'm a believer of praise in public and punish/criticize in private, so I understand why some people react the way they do when these things happen.

When Geroy says our offense has been inconsistent, is he suggesting that he himself has not had a great year? I doubt it.

Is he suggesting that other players have not had the motivation they had in other years? It doesn't sound like it.

Is he suggesting that our offense was better under Jacques Chapdelaine? He might be.

Is he suggesting that he woud prefer having Jacques back instead of Kruck/Dorazio/Baresi? He might be.

Could his comments be interpreted as whining or complaining by some? I think so.

Has he let his allegiance to Jacques go? Perhaps not. Has he fully endorsed his present OCs? Perhaps not.

Can Geroy's comments be construed as criticism of his coaches or of a preference for Chapdelaine? Dunno. I'd need to give a careful listen to the interview.

Do any Lionbackers want Chapdelaine back? Not me.

How many of us have confidence that Kruck/Dorazio/Buono are on the right track in the type of offense they are developing? I have that confidence in them. With quarterbacking that left much to be desired in the WDF, with a Lions team that seemed distracted (the Jiminez situation?), and not as highly motivated as the desperate Riders, we still had chances to win.

As Blitz has mentioned, if Jarious or Buck started a game this year, I am sure the team still felt it was Dave D's team. After all, he came out of TC as the starter. No matter how well Jarious performed, there would be uncertainty in the team about aspects of of the QB leadership due to this uncertainty. That is just an unfortunate fact of the situation. We did not have the certainty that comes to a team when the QB who comes out on top at TC is healthy for the whole year. Look at Green Bay this year. How would their record be if Bret Favre was injured rather than shooting the lights out?

I don't want any other OC coaches than what we have now. I like the direction our offense is taking in its evolution. I hope that we can get that combination of QB health, performance and continuity that a great team needs.

And I don't agree with the idea that Blitz is looking for a scapegoat for our loss in the WDF. He is reacting to Geroy's comments in the media. Many people who follow the Lions, and know the allegiance some of the Lions still have to Chapdelaine, might interpret Geroy's comments as criticism of the present OCs. Were Geroy's comments whining or complaining? People are going to be on both sides of that question. More evidence that it is always dangerous talking to the media.

[Gerry]

Blitz. It sounds like your upset (so am I) and you're looking for a whipping boy.

If you're looking to hang Sunday's loss on any one player. I could give you a dozen names before Geroy.

He tells it like it is. I agreed with most of his criticisms this season. Not hiring an offensive coordinator was a bad idea. That two headed monster that is Kruck/Dorazio was a problem all year. Yes we were the highest scoring team, but we didn't have the best offence by a long shot:

Lions Team Rank:
Passing Offence -- 246.9 yards per game (6th in CFL);
Rushing Offence -- 120.8 ypg (3rd);
Total Offence -- 346.8 ypg (5th). 8)

A fifth place offence won't win you a Grey Cup. Nor should it.
Joe Smith's 1510 yards and Geroy's 1293 yards kind of clouds the picture somewhat. Our offence was never balanced this year.

I'm hoping Geroy's comments will facilitate changes in the off-season

Good post, and shows how statistics can be used to prove the point you want to make, as Blitz has done earlier in the thread. Seems to me that Blitz is doing more whining than he accuses Simon of.

I understand you might be disappointed at how the season ended, Blitz, but this thread is uncalled for, IMO.