Riders fined!

[QB Club 63]

I would respond to why wally hasn't been fined despite numerous fines and suspensions to players on his team but there is no way to say it with receiving some sort of warning or banning

Numerous fines and suspensions? We are right up there behind the Riders in that stat today.

Murphy has been fined, ejected and/or suspended at least once per season, this is the first time Jones or MAM have been fined as a Rider, and unsure if they ever have before. as such Murphy has created a history of going to far.

The history Rob Murphy has created so far is one of excellence, as recognized by the MOL and All-Star voters last year; of toughness, as evidenced by the hatred generated by opponents' fear of him; of respect, as earned from his teammates and Lions fans.

Would he ever win a "Most Sportsmanlike Player" award? :no: :lol:

Would you love to have him playing on your team's offensive line?

Case closed!

[D]

because I do enjoy the debates here and being a rider fan I feel it is best not to provide my speculation into Wally (and how he manages these issues on and off the field). I know that depending on what I say there are mods here that would not hestitate to pull the plug on my participation. as such it is best to remain silent on that issue.

I know that your not here to just stir the pot so if you do get banned and you feel it is unjust .... let me know here or at 13thman .... I have an in with the owner and will look into it

[Zarquon]

I would respond to why wally hasn't been fined despite numerous fines and suspensions to players on his team but there is no way to say it with receiving some sort of warning or banning

Why would you be banned or warned? This isn't a Riders forum.

because I do enjoy the debates here and being a rider fan I feel it is best not to provide my speculation into Wally (and how he manages these issues on and off the field). I know that depending on what I say there are mods here that would not hestitate to pull the plug on my participation. as such it is best to remain silent on that issue.

I doubt you would be banned for posting something that is factual and can back it up no mater how bad it is.

[wildthing]

Numerous fines and suspensions? We are right up there behind the Riders in that stat today.

Murphy has been fined, ejected and/or suspended at least once per season, this is the first time Jones or MAM have been fined as a Rider, and unsure if they ever have before. as such Murphy has created a history of going to far.

The history Rob Murphy has created so far is one of excellence, as recognized by the MOL and All-Star voters last year; of toughness, as evidenced by the hatred generated by opponents' fear of him; of respect, as earned from his teammates and Lions fans.

Would he ever win a "Most Sportsmanlike Player" award? :no: :lol:

Would you love to have him playing on your team's offensive line?

Case closed!

my team NO. despite the skill he takes to many penalties for after play tactics.

[Rammer]

Murphy has been fined, ejected and/or suspended at least once per season, this is the first time Jones or MAM have been fined as a Rider, and unsure if they ever have before. as such Murphy has created a history of going to far.

The history Rob Murphy has created so far is one of excellence, as recognized by the MOL and All-Star voters last year; of toughness, as evidenced by the hatred generated by opponents' fear of him; of respect, as earned from his teammates and Lions fans.

Would he ever win a "Most Sportsmanlike Player" award? :no: :lol:

Would you love to have him playing on your team's offensive line?

Case closed!

my team NO. despite the skill he takes to many penalties for after play tactics.

Please growup and take over Tillman's job then. :lol:

[Shaggy]

my team NO. despite the skill he takes to many penalties for after play tactics.

I think that's more perception than reality.
Murphy's reputation ( for dirty play ) has been greatly inflated in the media this year after complaints by Abdullah and Braidwood.
Most of his opponents acknowledge that he plays hard between the whistles.

He's like any other good player on another team that you hate. Hate them as opposition, love them on your team.
Guys that come to mind for me .... Schultz ( Sask ) ... O'Shea ( TO ) ... former Flame Theo Fleury ... current Flame Jarome Iginla ... Milan Hejduk ( Avs )

[QB Club 63]

Let me tell you a little story. Recently, there was a guy who wore #55 for the Blue Bombers. He was a scrappy little guy who was often a backup linebacker and played mainly special teams, where he shone. He was always among the league leaders in special teams tackles and was a feared blocker on kick returns. But he had a tendency to take a stupid penalty at critical times in important games. He could be counted on to pop off regularly, allowing teams to continue drives with his penalty yardage. I can recall a Lions-Bombers game a couple of years ago when late in the game, the Winnipeg defence had stopped the Lions on two consecutive plays to force them into an apparent punting situation but a flag had been thrown. Ryland Wickman had struck again, and his unnecessary roughness penalty not only prolonged the Lions march, it moved them 15 yards closer to the end zone, which they reached, to score the game-winning points.

Despite his tendency for untimely penalties, he remained a valued member of the Winnipeg team, putting in around 5 seasons, for a better-than-average career. That's the type of player that makes your whole team better for having him on the roster. Just ask Dave Ritchie, who was Head Coach in Winnipeg when Wickman first made the team.

If I was building a winner, I'd say give me players who can lead and play with passion. First-place teams have guys like Rob Murphy, Carl Kidd, Ryland Wickman, Otis Floyd, Barrin Simpson, et al. You can keep the meek librarian types for some last-place roster. They would likely be the least-penalized team, but they'd also be out of the playoffs.

[Gforce in Edmonton]

You guys got to see the argument, the Riders were not disagreeing with the actions of their players after they were ejected, that warranted a fine.

All's the Riders were asking was why they were ejected, refs never gave them one during the game, league won't give the Riders one now, yet the Riders get fined for asking??? Absolute BS....

Even in my hockey reffing days I had to write a report and send it into the league when I ejected somebody from a hockey game, and there had to be a good reason or I was reprimanded. Seems to me there is more accountabilty in minor hockey reffing then reffing professional football.

[Shaggy]

Who knows, the refs may have written a report and submitted it for all anyone knows.

The point is Tillman needs to realize he's not the one driving the bus, the league and the commissioner are.

His comments are generating fines because he's publicly ripping the league. If he wants to be the next Mark Cuban, good for him. I just don't think he's got Cuban's deep pockets.

[LFITQ]

All's the Riders were asking was why they were ejected, refs never gave them one during the game, league won't give the Riders one now, yet the Riders get fined for asking??? Absolute BS....

So you are saying your GM cannot call up Mark Cohon and ask for a n explanation on the call? He has to do it in the press? Is Eric Tillman that low on the totem pole that he can't give George Black a phone call and say hey, what evidence do you have?

If that is truly the case, then Eric Tillman is NOT an effective GM if he doesn't have the ability to talk to League officials like that.

What I think was happening, is Eric was once again spouting off in the media as he is known to do (as he did here in BC - remember he was a Lion first so those of us with longer memories know him from then too) and once again got caught with his foot in his mouth.

Sorry but the lack of "accountability" you are concerned with seems more to do with Eric Tillman unable or unwilling to go through proper channels and instead decided to wage war with the League through the media.

I would betcha dollars to donuts that he could have picked up the phone and gotten the answers (or even the apology) he wanted.

Don't get rooked into Pissant's games as he is proving that he isn't that much different than Shivers.

Hmmm .... maybe there is something in the water in Riderland. First Shivers, now Tillman .... What is going on out there that causes these problems? Especially considering it seems to be stemming from one team over several years.

[Sir Purrcival]

I don't think I really remember a banning in recent history. At any rate. Wildthing, I generally find your posts to be balanced and fair. That is all any site and poster wants from another poster. Tillman is starting to look a bit ridiculous IMO. Like what was mentioned above, why he is expressing any of his concerns through the media is beyond me. If he has a problem, call up the CFL and talk to them. This rinky dink bs through the media doesn't serve him or his team well in the long run.

[120dB]

the Riders are, as J.P. McConnell used to say, discombobulated

[Rammer]

All's the Riders were asking was why they were ejected, refs never gave them one during the game, league won't give the Riders one now, yet the Riders get fined for asking??? Absolute BS....

So you are saying your GM cannot call up Mark Cohon and ask for a n explanation on the call? He has to do it in the press? Is Eric Tillman that low on the totem pole that he can't give George Black a phone call and say hey, what evidence do you have?

If that is truly the case, then Eric Tillman is NOT an effective GM if he doesn't have the ability to talk to League officials like that.

What I think was happening, is Eric was once again spouting off in the media as he is known to do (as he did here in BC - remember he was a Lion first so those of us with longer memories know him from then too) and once again got caught with his foot in his mouth.

Sorry but the lack of "accountability" you are concerned with seems more to do with Eric Tillman unable or unwilling to go through proper channels and instead decided to wage war with the League through the media.

I would betcha dollars to donuts that he could have picked up the phone and gotten the answers (or even the apology) he wanted.

Don't get rooked into Pissant's games as he is proving that he isn't that much different than Shivers.

Hmmm .... maybe there is something in the water in Riderland. First Shivers, now Tillman .... What is going on out there that causes these problems? Especially considering it seems to be stemming from one team over several years.

This is the line that got him into hot water I think.....

If you're asking me to comment on the fact that the same referee (Andre Proulx) that officiated the BC/Saskatchewan game that threw no one out (from B.C.) and threw three guys out of the Hamilton/Saskatchewan game in which the film in our opinion clearly shows that there should've been no ejections…if you're asking me to comment on that, you know that I can't,"

[Zarquon]

my team NO. despite the skill he takes to many penalties for after play tactics.

Just for the record Murphy (50 yds) was penalized for less yards last year than the guy the Riders have playing left guard, Gene Makowsky (60 yds). This year I don't think that is the case but Murphy is in the vicinity of most O line man in the league.

[ilovetheriders]

You guys have been smoking too much of the green! Tillman and Austin just wanted to know why their players were ejected? The CFL refused to answer that. They also asked for an apology if no explanation was given. How does that warrant a fine? Wally gets away with anything he says. It is a double standard.

Jeff