Does this p*ss anyone else off?

[So Cal Lion]

Game on,

heading to the Pond Wednesday night for some hockey !

No city has ever had both the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup Champions in the same season. That possibility stills remains....

Go Canucks ! ! !

[hoonsagain]

Not to mention, the A-Leauge champs, and the WHL champs!!! Maybe a Memorial cup too!

Hoons

[Robbie]

No city has ever had both the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup Champions in the same season. That possibility stills remains....

You are wrong about this.

Regardless of whether you go by calendar year or by the year the season starts, the city of Edmonton accomplished that feat in 1987. As I mentioned earlier, the Edmonton Eskimos won the Grey Cup in November 1987. The Edmonton Oilers won the Stanley Cup in the 1986-87 season, and then again in the 1987-88 season.

[Hambone]

No city has ever had both the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup Champions in the same season. That possibility stills remains....

You are wrong about this.

Regardless of whether you go by calendar year or by the year the season starts, the city of Edmonton accomplished that feat in 1987. As I mentioned earlier, the Edmonton Eskimos won the Grey Cup in November 1987. The Edmonton Oilers won the Stanley Cup in the 1986-87 season, and then again in the 1987-88 season.

It has actually happened several times.

Stanley Cup and Grey Cup wins in same city and same calendar year:
GC Edmonton Eskimos 1987; SC Edmonton Oilers 1986-87
GC Montreal Alouettes 1977; SC Montreal Canadiens 1976-77
GC Toronto Argos 1947; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1946-47
GC Toronto Argos 1945; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1944-45
GC Toronto RCAF Hurricanes 1942; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1941-42
GC Montreal Winged Wheelers 1931; SC Montreal Canadiens 1930-31
GC Toronto Argos 1914; SC Toronto Blueshirts 1913-1914

There were other overlaps where the Grey Cup was brought home to a city in the fall and with the Stanley Cup following in the spring leaving that city proud holders of both from spring until fall:

GC Montreal Alouettes 1970; SC Montreal Alouettes 1970-71
GC Toronto Argos 1947; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1947-48
GC Toronto Argos 1946; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1946-47
GC Ottawa Senators 1926 (this was just before Ottawa changed their name back to Rough Riders); SC Ottawa Senators 1926-27
GC Toronto Argos 1921; SC Toronto St. Pats 1921-22

[sj-roc]

The simplistic response would be that hockey is more popular than football in Canada. So if hockey is so popular why then did only 144,000 Canadians watch the NHL playoff game last week on TSN? That same station gets triple the ratings for a regular season CFL game.

I think part of the answer is that hockey touches everyone in Canada, kids, seniors, workers, nerds, sports fans, ect...while football is more of a niche sport. Either you are a football fan, or you are not. Hockey is mainstream in Canada and appeals to almost everyone.

Hockey has a greater presence at the elite level outside of just the NHL -- there's all the tournaments: Canada/World Cup, Olympics, World (Junior) Championships, and also the CHL. By comparison, (Cdn) football has precious few of these "elite" extras; those that do exist are seldom seen on TV (aside from the Vanier Cup).

[Robbie]

No city has ever had both the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup Champions in the same season. That possibility stills remains....

You are wrong about this.

Regardless of whether you go by calendar year or by the year the season starts, the city of Edmonton accomplished that feat in 1987. As I mentioned earlier, the Edmonton Eskimos won the Grey Cup in November 1987. The Edmonton Oilers won the Stanley Cup in the 1986-87 season, and then again in the 1987-88 season.

It has actually happened several times.

Stanley Cup and Grey Cup wins in same city and same calendar year:
GC Edmonton Eskimos 1987; SC Edmonton Oilers 1986-87
GC Montreal Alouettes 1977; SC Montreal Canadiens 1976-77
GC Toronto Argos 1947; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1946-47
GC Toronto Argos 1945; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1944-45
GC Toronto RCAF Hurricanes 1942; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1941-42
GC Montreal Winged Wheelers 1931; SC Montreal Canadiens 1930-31
GC Toronto Argos 1914; SC Toronto Blueshirts 1913-1914

There were other overlaps where the Grey Cup was brought home to a city in the fall and with the Stanley Cup following in the spring leaving that city proud holders of both from spring until fall:

GC Montreal Alouettes 1970; SC Montreal Alouettes 1970-71
GC Toronto Argos 1947; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1947-48
GC Toronto Argos 1946; SC Toronto Maple Leafs 1946-47
GC Ottawa Senators 1926 (this was just before Ottawa changed their name back to Rough Riders); SC Ottawa Senators 1926-27
GC Toronto Argos 1921; SC Toronto St. Pats 1921-22

Good list, Hambone.

So Cal Lion might be getting the NHL confused with the NBA instead of the CFL. No city has ever won the Stanley Cup and the NBA Championship in the same year. That would be quite a feat as the NBA championship ends about one to two weeks after the Stanley Cup is usually awarded. There have been a few cities that came close to doing so. Taken from the internet:

For New Jersey in 2003, the Devils defeated Anaheim for the Stanley Cup while the Nets suffered at the hands of the Los Angeles Lakers. In 1994, the New York Rangers won the
Stanley Cup while the Knicks lost a heartbreaking final to the Houston Rockets. On three occasions the NBA team ended up capturing the title while their NHL counterparts lost in the final. This was the case in 1992, when the Chicago Bulls beat Portland and the Blackhawks lost to Pittsburgh, and it also occurred twice with the Celtics, who won the NBA crown in 1974 and 1957 while the Bruins fell to Philadelphia and Montreal respectively. Three times both the NHL and NBA teams lost in the finals in the same season - the Philadelphia Flyers and Sixers in 1980, the New York Rangers
and Knicks in 1972 and the Boston Bruins and Celtics in 1958.

[Canuck_4_Life]

Speaking of historical years, the 2006-2007 was a banner year for the University of Florida Gators. First team to win the football and basketball crowns in the same year. As fate would have it, both wins came over Ohio State.

[pinkfreud]

I don't resent that fans in Vancouver go crazy over the Canucks when they have some playoff success because those moments are very rare.

:lol:

I was discussing this topic with my coworker today, about the Canuckmania going on. She was slumped over the desk with her head propped up with her hand, bags under her eyes from too many overtimes, and her comment was "Ya, they're all on the bandwagon now. I've endured 37 years of this BS waiting for this moment and I'm too exhausted to celebrate."

It changed my perspective and made me much more sympathetic to the hockey fans in this town. They're a patient lot.

[Lions4ever]

Good point David. I thought the same thing last night when I heard all the horns and commotion up and down Lonsdale Avenue in North Vancouver. Wow, they barely managed to squeak by Dallas and win a first round - not the Cup for heck's sake and everyone goes nuts??!

I would've loved to have heard a little of that sort of excitement. Normally I would've been watching the game in one of my favourite Prince George watering holes which no doubt would've been packed and exuberant at the outcome. But alas I'm in Portland where I have located one downtown restaurant and bar that I've come to count on to have whatever playoff games available. The guy who came in and sat at the next table made it two of us in there who were interested in the game. He grew up in Salem and used to get up to Vancouver for a game or two every year when he was a kid because his dad's company had connections for Canuck ducats. So he became a Canuck fan. Two people don't make for much "atmosphere".

Waddya mean "alas I'm in Portland"??!? Portland is a great city. Fantastic beer city in particular. Why waste your time with something as dreary as a hockey game when you're in the presence of so much good beer? Long live the Lucky Labrador!

[Hambone]

Waddya mean "alas I'm in Portland"??!? Portland is a great city. Fantastic beer city in particular. Why waste your time with something as dreary as a hockey game when you're in the presence of so much good beer? Long live the Lucky Labrador!

hmmm......a little defensive there what with the card of Jim "Portland Pig" Evenson?

Interesting you should respond. I was talking strictly from a diehard hockey fan's point of view, one who has both of his favourite teams alive and well and into the 2nd round. A lot of what you've said about Portland I've started to come to appreciate this week. Unfortunately there isn't much time for exploring when one is on the clock on a consulting gig. The weather hasn't exactly helped either when it comes to exploring when one doesn't have wheels. Spending many years up on the north end of Vancouver Island I should be used to rain. Perhaps after 12 years in Prince George I've become soft when it comes to enduring Mother Nature's liquid sunshine which has be prevelant most of the time I've been here. For any hockey game I've wanted to see I've frequented the Rock Bottom on Morrison which has an inhouse brewery. Sitting in McCormick & Schmicks on the river tonight which also has its own inhouse brewery it dawned on me that I've noticed an inordinately low ratio of bottled beer/hard liquor drinkers versus draft beer compared to BC pubs. That goes for women too. Seems a lot more women opt for the micro brews than in BC. Ironically as I was leaving McCormick & Schmicks I asked the greeter girl how many brew ubs there are in town. Her response was that she didn't know how many, but knew there were more in Portland than anywhere else in the U.S.. It got me thinking as I walked back to the hotel that Portland might just THE place for a beer drinker to do the barley version of an Okanagan or Napa Valley wine tour.

[B.C.FAN]

The simplistic response would be that hockey is more popular than football in Canada. So if hockey is so popular why then did only 144,000 Canadians watch the NHL playoff game last week on TSN? That same station gets triple the ratings for a regular season CFL game.

I think part of the answer is that hockey touches everyone in Canada, kids, seniors, workers, nerds, sports fans, ect...while football is more of a niche sport. Either you are a football fan, or you are not. Hockey is mainstream in Canada and appeals to almost everyone.

Don't sell football fans short. The discrepancy between hockey and football TV viewership is not that great.

Itr's hard to compare a best-of-seven first-round NHL playoff series to a two-week CFL single-knockout playoff schedule, but consider this:

- The seven-game Vancouver-Dallas series averaged 1.5 million viewers on CBC, making it the most-watched series of the first round (the average was 1.1 million). The peak was 2 million viewers for Game 7 on Monday.

- The CFL West Final, usually the first B.C. Lions playoff game, annually draws 1.5 or 1.6 million viewers on CBC.

One could conclude the Lions get just as much attention as the Canucks when they're in the playoffs. They just don't play as often.

[Hambone]

One could conclude the Lions get just as much attention as the Canucks when they're in the playoffs. They just don't play as often.

That in itself may be the underlying reason for what fans might consider to be a lack of Leo coverage when compared to puck coverage. A game is a game. Regardless of sport there really is only so much that can be said or written about a game be it pre-game analysis or the game post mortem. During hockey playoffs there usually is only 48 hours between games to cover what transpired in the last one and set up the next one. For football that 2 day window becomes a 7 day window. The short hockey window makes the Canuck media coverage look very intense. Conversely with the long football window the perception of lesser coverage may simply be a case of having to spread the same volume of content out over a longer period of time.

[hunsperger]

Vancouver is essentially West Toronto and Toronto is essentially Vancouver East. Neither city is a sports town in the true sense. The most important thing about being a Canucks fan or Leafs fan is being seen at a Canucks game or Leafs game. Both cities have a center of the universe mentallity. That's why each city has such a hate on for each other. Torontonians think they are the best, and how dare anybody think anything to the contrary like say Vancouverites who think they are the best and vice versa. Hell, in Vancouver, in a city of over 1 million people they can't even put 30,000 people into BC Place unless the Lions are winning. Of course, if the Lions are winning they are trendy and than all of a sudden it becomes cool to be seen and a Lions game. I could expound on this, but time doesn't permit.

[hunsperger]

No city has ever had both the Grey Cup and the Stanley Cup Champions in the same season.

Factually incorrect. But typical of the center of universe mentallity.