There apparently was a loud explosion when the roof tore, analogous to a balloon bursting. I would've loved to be inside just to hear the noise of that boom.
Seriously though, there are serious ramification to this incident. Where do things go from here? The Monster Truck show is clearly history now. Can the Stadium be adapted to a retractable roof?
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Listening to our intrepid reporter JM I gleaned a few things for those who think BC Place is primarily a sports facility and simply removing the roof is a cost effective alternative.
Annual rent collected by BC Place Corp - $12.7 million. Methinks the Lions' share is only a portion of the number to the right of that decimal place.
BC Place has zero drainage. The floor is flatter than pi$$ on a plate. Any water that enters it stays in it. They are currently looking for one honking big Shop-Vac or every available squeegee kid.
The roof is very much an integral part of the overall structure. According the Jim an inflated roof is important to the building itself staying up. I can't remember how he worded it but no roof is not a good thing.
No roof means BC Place is neither economically viable nor structurally sound.
One the positive side he said the roof on the Metrodome in Minneapolis has collapsed 3 times in the past. He said it took them a month and a half or so to fix it the first time but got down to a science and usually had it up and reinflated in a matter of a week or two in later similar scenarios.
Annual rent collected by BC Place Corp - $12.7 million. Methinks the Lions' share is only a portion of the number to the right of that decimal place.
BC Place has zero drainage. The floor is flatter than pi$$ on a plate. Any water that enters it stays in it. They are currently looking for one honking big Shop-Vac or every available squeegee kid.
The roof is very much an integral part of the overall structure. According the Jim an inflated roof is important to the building itself staying up. I can't remember how he worded it but no roof is not a good thing.
No roof means BC Place is neither economically viable nor structurally sound.
One the positive side he said the roof on the Metrodome in Minneapolis has collapsed 3 times in the past. He said it took them a month and a half or so to fix it the first time but got down to a science and usually had it up and reinflated in a matter of a week or two in later similar scenarios.
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If it can't stand up to a little Pacific coast breeze how will it survive at Portage and Main?LFITQ wrote:Hey BBBob - I now know where Wpg can get a roof for their "proposed" dome stadium, cheap!! Won't even make a dent in that $700,000 gift from teh league to they got to help make the playoffs.
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The Province, Page A14, 23-Jun-2006
Aging roof at B.C. Place causes officials concern
By Kent Spencer
B.C. Place Stadium is refusing all contracts for events after 2010 until the fate of its aging roof is resolved, general manager Howard Crosley said yesterday.
"We have not been given any indication what is happening post-2010," Crosley said.
The building, which loses about $5 million annually, is run by the B.C. Pavilion Corporation, a Crown corporation.
The stadium, which marked its 23rd birthday Monday, will need a new roof soon because its original one is nearing the end of its life.
A service report dated last Feb. 21 noted that "no reserves are carried to replace the roof."
Crosley said a new roof -- in the same marshmallow style as the current one -- would cost $20 million to $30 million, but the "sky's the limit" if other designs are considered.
"The roof was predicted to have a lifespan of 25 years. At that time, it was a brand-new process and there was no real history to check for the life-span," he said. "It is one of those things to keep an eye on."
The roof is inspected every year and is in "good condition." Work is under way to cover the support cables.
The stadium was erected for $130 million in 1983. In the fiscal year 2004-05, the value of the building underwent a $75-million capital writedown "to reflect an impairment in value," the report noted.
Crosley said the "impairment" referred to the fact "the stadium hasn't been making a profit." He said its value today is in the $300-million-to-$400 million range.
Crosley does not think it likely the building will be demolished because, he says, it has not come to the end of its useful life.
And the alternative -- building another stadium in downtown Vancouver -- would not come cheaply.
"Finding the land and building a replacement facility would not be very easy," he said.
The downtown building is under contract to host the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2010 Winter Olympics. Awards ceremonies will also be held inside the cavernous chamber.
In preparation for the Games, washrooms, kitchens and the scoreboard will be upgraded in 2009. The building will also undergo a "general cleaning," and access for the disabled will be improved.
The 60,000-seat stadium hosts 10 Lions games each year and numerous trade shows in the spring and fall.
Lions president Bobby Ackles said yesterday that he couldn't predict the stadium's future. The Lions' lease does not extend beyond 2010.
"Every time I see the premier, I tell him how important it is. It's a great building in a purrfect location. There isn't a bad seat in the house," Ackles said.
But he noted the building needs "some upgrades to the lighting, sound system and concessions. It probably needs some work on the roof, but I'm not sure it needs a new roof," he said.
B.C. Place's white roofing material is designed to let in light, reflect heat and keep weight down. Called a "moon suit" because it is made of the same fibreglass fabric that astronauts wear in space, it can be supported by air pressure. The roof's weight is only one-30th as much as a conventional structure. Pound for pound, it is stronger than steel.
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The Province, Page A14, 23-Jun-2006
Aging roof at B.C. Place causes officials concern
By Kent Spencer
B.C. Place Stadium is refusing all contracts for events after 2010 until the fate of its aging roof is resolved, general manager Howard Crosley said yesterday.
"We have not been given any indication what is happening post-2010," Crosley said.
The building, which loses about $5 million annually, is run by the B.C. Pavilion Corporation, a Crown corporation.
The stadium, which marked its 23rd birthday Monday, will need a new roof soon because its original one is nearing the end of its life.
A service report dated last Feb. 21 noted that "no reserves are carried to replace the roof."
Crosley said a new roof -- in the same marshmallow style as the current one -- would cost $20 million to $30 million, but the "sky's the limit" if other designs are considered.
"The roof was predicted to have a lifespan of 25 years. At that time, it was a brand-new process and there was no real history to check for the life-span," he said. "It is one of those things to keep an eye on."
The roof is inspected every year and is in "good condition." Work is under way to cover the support cables.
The stadium was erected for $130 million in 1983. In the fiscal year 2004-05, the value of the building underwent a $75-million capital writedown "to reflect an impairment in value," the report noted.
Crosley said the "impairment" referred to the fact "the stadium hasn't been making a profit." He said its value today is in the $300-million-to-$400 million range.
Crosley does not think it likely the building will be demolished because, he says, it has not come to the end of its useful life.
And the alternative -- building another stadium in downtown Vancouver -- would not come cheaply.
"Finding the land and building a replacement facility would not be very easy," he said.
The downtown building is under contract to host the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2010 Winter Olympics. Awards ceremonies will also be held inside the cavernous chamber.
In preparation for the Games, washrooms, kitchens and the scoreboard will be upgraded in 2009. The building will also undergo a "general cleaning," and access for the disabled will be improved.
The 60,000-seat stadium hosts 10 Lions games each year and numerous trade shows in the spring and fall.
Lions president Bobby Ackles said yesterday that he couldn't predict the stadium's future. The Lions' lease does not extend beyond 2010.
"Every time I see the premier, I tell him how important it is. It's a great building in a purrfect location. There isn't a bad seat in the house," Ackles said.
But he noted the building needs "some upgrades to the lighting, sound system and concessions. It probably needs some work on the roof, but I'm not sure it needs a new roof," he said.
B.C. Place's white roofing material is designed to let in light, reflect heat and keep weight down. Called a "moon suit" because it is made of the same fibreglass fabric that astronauts wear in space, it can be supported by air pressure. The roof's weight is only one-30th as much as a conventional structure. Pound for pound, it is stronger than steel.
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In it's curent state I think it would work quite nicely. Besides, it would just be one more way the Bomber brass can really mask how poor their talent is on the field..Hambone wrote:If it can't stand up to a little Pacific coast breeze how will it survive at Portage and Main?LFITQ wrote:Hey BBBob - I now know where Wpg can get a roof for their "proposed" dome stadium, cheap!! Won't even make a dent in that $700,000 gift from teh league to they got to help make the playoffs.
(Cheap shot I know but I like it.)Now that I don't live in Quesnel do I need to change my handle??
Governments and Crown Corps "self insure", which is a polite way of saying they don't buy any. They don't have to, because they are backstopped by John and Jane Taxpayer. This will simply be a capital expense for BC Pavilion Corporation.crburrows wrote:Any insurance for this, or will Gov't of BC have to open it's vault?
It would probably pay them to quickly bring in some expertise from the people who repaired the Metrodome in Minneapolis. The first quarter is make or break time for the Stadium financially, and having the building inoperable for that amount of time would be disastrous.
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Will it be louder than 50,000 fans ?120dB wrote: I would've loved to be inside just to hear the noise of that boom.
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