TiCats @ Lions - Game Day Thread

[Toppy Vann]

Coaching is the key problem with the team right now.

End of first half JC gets lulay gunning it downfield for no luck and turns the ball over to let Ham get a FG and go the locker up 3.

End of 4th JC has Lulay gunning it long again and they turn it over and Ham gets a TD. Then when they get the ball they start moving it shorter for 1st downs and look good until the clock goes and they toss the hail Mary for an INT.

Def... it is coaching it seems - these players are not performing and it looks like some coaching is an issue.

Burning time outs due to players not on etc.. all coaching.

But with Wally the coaches are responsible and the players get the blame. That means that those who are responsible keep their jobs, those who are to blame get fired.

0 and 4 - Coaching is a huge issue.

Maybe Jacque C. has to stop the hand signals and just call in the play and then spend the balance of the time collecting his thoughts and making sure things and players are where they are supposed to be.

[joe kapp22]

Everyone is geeked up atm, keep in mind though for as much heat as JC has taken, the Offence has not been the problem

The Defence is simply bad, and it returned most of the same players, 3 changes overall and they, yet again, give up over 30 pts?

Only difference is Rich Stubler left for Edmonton, leaving Mike Benevides, whose performance over the last 2 yrs is objectively bad.

Sorry fellas, if there is one head that should be on the chopping block, it is Mike B's, and the numbers prove it.

For fun I compared 09-10-11 so far, with and without Stubler, and it is blatant.

Mike B, really should be looking for work.

[joe kapp22]

Coaching is the key problem with the team right now.

End of first half JC gets lulay gunning it downfield for no luck and turns the ball over to let Ham get a FG and go the locker up 3.

End of 4th JC has Lulay gunning it long again and they turn it over and Ham gets a TD. Then when they get the ball they start moving it shorter for 1st downs and look good until the clock goes and they toss the hail Mary for an INT.

Def... it is coaching it seems - these players are not performing and it looks like some coaching is an issue.

Burning time outs due to players not on etc.. all coaching.

But with Wally the coaches are responsible and the players get the blame. That means that those who are responsible keep their jobs, those who are to blame get fired.

0 and 4 - Coaching is a huge issue.

Maybe Jacque C. has to stop the hand signals and just call in the play and then spend the balance of the time collecting his thoughts and making sure things and players are where they are supposed to be.

Objectively, we've scored 30 pts 3 times, and lost all 3, at what point does Mike Benevedes deserve wrath?

The O has been fine and put up points, JC did not receive any extra "help", Stubler leaves and the D reverts to 09..with pretty much the same personnel, at what point does Mike B catch flak?

[No Ordinary Joe]

The entire coaching staff deserve to be sent out to pasture and it looks like a good number of players with them. This is a trainwreck.

[joe kapp22]

The entire coaching staff deserve to be sent out to pasture and it looks like a good number of players with them. This is a trainwreck.

Eh, heard the same last yr, what bothers me is the massive difference of the Defence, with and without Stubler.

My goodness, 09..garbage

10..solid unit

11..garbage

Mike B should be looking for work, the Defence is terrible, no other way to describe it.

[Toppy Vann]

Coaching is the key problem with the team right now.

End of first half JC gets lulay gunning it downfield for no luck and turns the ball over to let Ham get a FG and go the locker up 3.

End of 4th JC has Lulay gunning it long again and they turn it over and Ham gets a TD. Then when they get the ball they start moving it shorter for 1st downs and look good until the clock goes and they toss the hail Mary for an INT.

Def... it is coaching it seems - these players are not performing and it looks like some coaching is an issue.

Burning time outs due to players not on etc.. all coaching.

But with Wally the coaches are responsible and the players get the blame. That means that those who are responsible keep their jobs, those who are to blame get fired.

0 and 4 - Coaching is a huge issue.

Maybe Jacque C. has to stop the hand signals and just call in the play and then spend the balance of the time collecting his thoughts and making sure things and players are where they are supposed to be.

Objectively, we've socred 30 pts 3 times, and lost all 3, at what point does Mike Benevedes deserve wrath?

The O has been fine and put up points, JC did not receive any extra "help", Stubler leaves and the D reverts to 09..with pretty much the same personnel, at what point does Mike B catch flak?

You are right. MB has not done his part especially in the first half. He had a chance to learn from Dave Ritchie who is a DEF genius and has a great way of coaching including not running around like a wild man on the sidelines on game day. He'd have two players in front of him -one decoying and another sending in his signals. This kept injured guys' learning and thinking and a part of it.

With MB he is running around like a bantam rooster while JC is putting on a show in his way waving and flailing signals that are not needed as the QB can get the play via his helmet.

[Rammer]

The entire coaching staff deserve to be sent out to pasture and it looks like a good number of players with them. This is a trainwreck.

Eh, heard the same last yr, what bothers me is the massive difference of the Defence, with and without Stubler.

My goodness, 09..garbage

10..solid unit

11..garbage

Mike B should be looking for work, the Defence is terrible, no other way to describe it.

Mike B has his next gig lined up and the way the Lions are playing the GM may just make your wish come true.

[joe kapp22]

What bothers me TV:

09: 101 points given up through 4 games

10: 86 pts given up

11: 135 pts given up through 4 games

Hmm, now what is the difference here?

Mike B, you should be looking for work, your Defence is horrible.

[Rammer]

What bothers me TV:

09: 101 points given up through 4 games

10: 86 pts given up

11: 135 pts given up through 4 games

Hmm, now what is the difference here?

Mike B, you should be looking for work, your Defence is horrible.

Also 2010 was with a new group of LB's and not Elimimian in it either.

[SammyGreene]

Benevides has enjoyed a nice career riding the tails of two of the best defensive coordinators this league has ever seen. Sadly, he is also Wally's golden boy and will only be shipped out with him.

[joe kapp22]

What bothers me TV:

09: 101 points given up through 4 games

10: 86 pts given up

11: 135 pts given up through 4 games

Hmm, now what is the difference here?

Mike B, you should be looking for work, your Defence is horrible.

Also 2010 was with a new group of LB's and not Elimimian in it either.

He has to go, objectively, and you see the numbers, he has done a terrible job with the Defnece, once the Stubler training wheels came off, this Defence is just so bad that words cannot describe how poor they are as a unit.

Think of it this way, two yrs of Mike B (236 pts) is worth nearly 3 yrs of Stubler (258 pts)

Same players losing Foley has meant nothing really, the 09 D was bad, in 11 though...pure garbage.

[joe kapp22]

Benevides has enjoyed a nice career riding the tails of two of the best defensive coordinators this league has ever seen. Sadly, he is also Wally's golden boy and will only be shipped out with him.

If Wally feels that way then both should go and the whole thing should start over, he is just a terrible DC, no other words needed to describe how poor of a job he is doing in the last 3 yrs.

To put it into context, his D has allowed an extra game worth of points, in 4 games compared to 2010!

[TheLionKing]

It's official folks; the Lions are not as talented as many would have you believe. High school players can tackle better than this collection of retrobates.

[Lions4ever]

It's official folks; the Lions are not as talented as many would have you believe. High school players can tackle better than this collection of retrobates.

Reprobates?

[TheLionKing]

It's official folks; the Lions are not as talented as many would have you believe. High school players can tackle better than this collection of retrobates.

Reprobates?

Yup, that too !