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Ray Nettles Ghost
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I am brand new on here, but not to the Lions.
I go all the way back to Empire Stadium with my own Mom and Dad, and was there again....when they reopened Empire Stadium for the Lions to play in....and we were there for them in 1994 and again in 2011 for their Grey Cup Wins with my own Son.
I have to say, that this version of the Lions is really pretty SAD to say the least.
When the Head Coach thinks that it is more Important to have his Hat slanted off in some Weird direction on his head, like one of the Bloods would do.....as opposed to looking Professional and Respectful to the Game, well.......you get what we have been seeing on the Field.
This guy should be FIRED immediately along with the person that signed him! Getting rid of Solomon was the start of this Mess, that we presently are seeing.
The Lions are losing more and more Fans both Present and Future by doing it again....Year after Year after Year.
Hire Travis NOW!
As you should have done, the moment that he retired!
This guy is NOT a Head Coach.
He is just another one of the Boys from the Hood!
We need a Coach that LOOKS like a Coach...One that has Played the Game, at a High level.
This guys should be coaching Junior Football at best!
Get RID of Him....NOW!
JohnnyMusso
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I have to think Claybrooks too may end up being another high profile assistant who could not make the transition to head coach. Surrounding himself with rookie coaches I think was a mistake, as seen by the online kick.

Claybrooks will be allowed the season and likely next one too, even if they have a bad year. But I have to agree with you Ray, Lions are losing fans year after year and starting 0 and 3 will cause more fans to turn away. They have to turn it around, but if they don't, it will be a long season and I really don't know how much power the president has and if he has the authority to fire Hervey and Claybrooks at season's end. Also having an absentee owner does not help either. With the coaches cap in place Ray, they cannot afford to fire any coaches mid season so unlikely to happen.
TheLionKing
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Like you I too am very disappointed at the Lions 0-3 start. In all fairness to Devone Claybrooks, it's way too early to call for his firing. There has been numerous personnel changes made in the off season. Does anyone really expect to see a cohesive team playing on eight cylinders after 3 games and 2 weeks of training camp ? Takes time for a team to jell. Although tonight's loss (especially the way they lost) is tough to take, I do note that there are a lot of improvement and positives.
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Lion King, you must agree though Lions have to go 9 and 6 just to finish 500 and this next game at home against the Riders is a must win. Lose they go into Regina 0 and 4 and rarely win in Regina . Start 0 and 5 and they will have a hard time getting 20,000 to any game rest of the way and unlikely turn it around. Hervey's contract is up at the end of the season and if Lions miss the playoffs, do you bring him back? I say no. Yes, it may be early, but in a short season a 0-3 is not good and is this team good enough to go 9 and 6 rest of the way, just to finish 500, which was not good enough last year to make the playoffs. They have to win next game.
Ray Nettles Ghost
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I really do not think that an absentee Owner has any effect what so ever on the performance of the Team.
I sure do wish that the Canucks owners would be as Invisible as the owner of the Lions is.
The owner doesn't either coach the team or put on the pads.
My Beef is with the GM and with his choice for Head Coach.
Just have to ask ones self, what was the "sole" reason for Claybrooks as his Coach?
Could it have anything to do with .....NO! of course not......why would we ever question that?
Just saying, as it has to be questioned.
All kidding aside though, when you see any Coach ....concentrating more....on making a Fashion statement or a making a cultural statement, more than trying to LOOK more Professional in his New Role as a Head Coach, I think.....that what we see, is exactly what we are getting.
A Lack of Respect for the Game and for his New Position.
Hey....I have no issues with anyone wearing what ever the hell they are wanting to wear, once they are off work for the day, but...when in the Public eye and when holding a position of Authority, one should Dress the Part, and LOOK like the Professional that you are being paid to be!
That Hat statement is just a Pathetic thing to be sporting on anyone over the age of 16 years old.
Grow Up Claybrooks and dress and LOOK the part of a Head Coach!
You are no closer to being Snoop Dog than you are to being Vince Lombardi.
I happen to be District Manager for a large financial institution.
Gee.....I wonder what our employees and clients might say or think, if I showed up on Tuesday morning with a Baseball cap cocked sideways on my Fat Head, while wearing Baggy Yo Yo Shorts on, instead of what the other Professionals in my field might be wearing?
Dress for Success Claybrooks, while at work.
Wear what ever it is that you like, when you are off the clock.
Hervey should be Fired right along with Claybrooks, and who ever hired Hervey should be shown the Door as of tonight!
WHY.....would anyone, ever want to step foot into BC Place to watch this present Gong Show?
The Defence is absolutely Bush League Terrible!
#71 is NO Clay Matthews!
Cut that pile of Stringy Hair......and concentrate on how you Play, more than on how you might look to yourself in the Mirror.
I tell you right now......you and Claybrooks are purrfect for one another.
One spends more time in cocking his hat and tilting it just right on his head, instead of actually Coaching his Team, and the other one spends more time, in looking for a Shampoo that will add some Body to that mess of String on his head, gthan playing Hard for his own Team!
Claybrooks and Hervey and Clay Matthews Sister all need to be CUT and FIRED, in order to get any interest from the Fans!
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I don’t care how Claybrooks wears his hat. Football coaches are not required to dress like bankers. Ask Bill Belichick.
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TheLionKing wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:43 pm
Like you I too am very disappointed at the Lions 0-3 start. In all fairness to Devone Claybrooks, it's way too early to call for his firing. There has been numerous personnel changes made in the off season. Does anyone really expect to see a cohesive team playing on eight cylinders after 3 games and 2 weeks of training camp ? Takes time for a team to jell. Although tonight's loss (especially the way they lost) is tough to take, I do note that there are a lot of improvement and positives.
Both Edmonton and Ottawa sustained a lot of key offseason departures at key positions and have come out alright. True, this was our best performance so far, but winless in three is winless in three. I wasn't expecting this.


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Not nearly as many changes as the Lions.
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When Claybrooks was hired I was thinking at the time this was exactly what the Lions needed — a younger generation defensive specialist.

Was also hoping the defence would be all his — like how Dickenson runs the Stamps offence as HC or what Sean McVey is to the Rams.

Instead he hires a seasoned defensive coordinator so I'm guessing this defence has both their finger prints on it. But this unit massive disappointment so far. To allow 3 TDs on your opponents' final 3 drives of the game including a stone cold back up going 9-for-9 is a complete embarrassment.

With so much money spent on offence FAs the Lions needed a great scheme to overcome the lack star power on defence. It has been an epic failure so far.
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Ray Nettles Ghost wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:18 pm

Cut that pile of Stringy Hair......and concentrate on how you Play, more than on how you might look to yourself in the Mirror.
I tell you right now......you and Claybrooks are purrfect for one another.
One spends more time in cocking his hat and tilting it just right on his head, instead of actually Coaching his Team, and the other one spends more time, in looking for a Shampoo that will add some Body to that mess of String on his head, gthan playing Hard for his own Team!
Claybrooks and Hervey and Clay Matthews Sister all need to be CUT and FIRED, in order to get any interest from the Fans!
With all due respect, you seem to be more concern with how coaches and players look on the field. Fans will return if the Lions play entertaining and winning football, good in game entertainment and reasonable prices. Fans are more concerned with how players perform than the way they look on the field. Ray Nettles used to have long hair when he played.....and he rode a Harley.
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JohnnyMusso wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:02 pm
Lion King, you must agree though Lions have to go 9 and 6 just to finish 500 and this next game at home against the Riders is a must win. Lose they go into Regina 0 and 4 and rarely win in Regina . Start 0 and 5 and they will have a hard time getting 20,000 to any game rest of the way and unlikely turn it around. Hervey's contract is up at the end of the season and if Lions miss the playoffs, do you bring him back? I say no. Yes, it may be early, but in a short season a 0-3 is not good and is this team good enough to go 9 and 6 rest of the way, just to finish 500, which was not good enough last year to make the playoffs. They have to win next game.
The Lions go into Toronto next week, and then return home to host Edmonton. After that they are in Regina, before completing a home and home with Saskatchewan back at BC Place. Not sure what schedule you're looking at...
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Ray Nettles Ghost wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:32 pm
I am brand new on here, but not to the Lions.
I go all the way back to Empire Stadium with my own Mom and Dad, and was there again....when they reopened Empire Stadium for the Lions to play in....and we were there for them in 1994 and again in 2011 for their Grey Cup Wins with my own Son.
I have to say, that this version of the Lions is really pretty SAD to say the least.
When the Head Coach thinks that it is more Important to have his Hat slanted off in some Weird direction on his head, like one of the Bloods would do.....as opposed to looking Professional and Respectful to the Game, well.......you get what we have been seeing on the Field.
This guy should be FIRED immediately along with the person that signed him! Getting rid of Solomon was the start of this Mess, that we presently are seeing.
The Lions are losing more and more Fans both Present and Future by doing it again....Year after Year after Year.
Hire Travis NOW!
As you should have done, the moment that he retired!
This guy is NOT a Head Coach.
He is just another one of the Boys from the Hood!
We need a Coach that LOOKS like a Coach...One that has Played the Game, at a High level.
This guys should be coaching Junior Football at best!
Get RID of Him....NOW!
First of all, your subtle racist comments disgust me and are not welcome here. Take that garbage to a trump rally and yell at the clouds like every other one of those morons because that's what you sound like with your stupid boys from the hood, or blood comments.

Now, if you think the way Claybrooks wears his hat has anything to do with the team on the field then you really don't know what you're talking about. The Lions are losing because their defense is weak. Solomon is also injured and would not have changed a damn thing with this team this year, so again, not sure where you're getting that.

Finally, Claybrooks has played the game at a high level. He has won a Super Bowl and a Grey Cup. You capitalizing random words and acting like Claybrooks has never played at a high level just shows how worthless your post is.
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Ray Nettles Ghost wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:18 pm
I really do not think that an absentee Owner has any effect what so ever on the performance of the Team.
I sure do wish that the Canucks owners would be as Invisible as the owner of the Lions is.
The owner doesn't either coach the team or put on the pads.
My Beef is with the GM and with his choice for Head Coach.
Just have to ask ones self, what was the "sole" reason for Claybrooks as his Coach?
Could it have anything to do with .....NO! of course not......why would we ever question that?
Just saying, as it has to be questioned.
All kidding aside though, when you see any Coach ....concentrating more....on making a Fashion statement or a making a cultural statement, more than trying to LOOK more Professional in his New Role as a Head Coach, I think.....that what we see, is exactly what we are getting.
A Lack of Respect for the Game and for his New Position.
Hey....I have no issues with anyone wearing what ever the hell they are wanting to wear, once they are off work for the day, but...when in the Public eye and when holding a position of Authority, one should Dress the Part, and LOOK like the Professional that you are being paid to be!
That Hat statement is just a Pathetic thing to be sporting on anyone over the age of 16 years old.
Grow Up Claybrooks and dress and LOOK the part of a Head Coach!
You are no closer to being Snoop Dog than you are to being Vince Lombardi.
I happen to be District Manager for a large financial institution.
Gee.....I wonder what our employees and clients might say or think, if I showed up on Tuesday morning with a Baseball cap cocked sideways on my Fat Head, while wearing Baggy Yo Yo Shorts on, instead of what the other Professionals in my field might be wearing?
Dress for Success Claybrooks, while at work.
Wear what ever it is that you like, when you are off the clock.
Hervey should be Fired right along with Claybrooks, and who ever hired Hervey should be shown the Door as of tonight!
WHY.....would anyone, ever want to step foot into BC Place to watch this present Gong Show?
The Defence is absolutely Bush League Terrible!
#71 is NO Clay Matthews!
Cut that pile of Stringy Hair......and concentrate on how you Play, more than on how you might look to yourself in the Mirror.
I tell you right now......you and Claybrooks are purrfect for one another.
One spends more time in cocking his hat and tilting it just right on his head, instead of actually Coaching his Team, and the other one spends more time, in looking for a Shampoo that will add some Body to that mess of String on his head, gthan playing Hard for his own Team!
Claybrooks and Hervey and Clay Matthews Sister all need to be CUT and FIRED, in order to get any interest from the Fans!
Based on your disgusting racist suggestions I would suspect you're more suited at being the *beeotch* at a trump klan rally than someone who should be a district manager at a financial institution. You're lucky for the anonymity of the internet otherwise there would be a huge complaint going towards your manager.

Again, if you're worried more about the way someone is dressed than you have lost the plot. Bill Belichick is dressed like a slob yet he's arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.

The Lions are 0-3. It's 3 games. Calm down. It's basically a brand new team with how many new players we have, and new coaching staff. They have played 3 strong opponents and could have won all 3 of those games. I'm going to give this at least a season before making a judgment on this coaching staff. Hervey's contract is up at the end of this season so his renewal will be dependent on the success of this team.
Roar you Lions roar!
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I got to side with the Pauser on this one and I wish RNG had told us the name of his large financial institution, so I would know which one to avoid.

OTOH, wouldn't it be just great if Ray Nettles Ghost was accurate in his assessment and all Claybrooks had to do is dress for success by wearing a suit and tie to the games and the Lions would start winning and fans would turn out in droves.

I certainly had and still have reservations about the decision to spend so much of the SMS budget on Reilly and the O, but I recognize the marketing need to do what the Lions did and spend the way they did. I also recognize that a new young coaching staff with a huge roster turnover is at times going to struggle.

In a very competitive west division it is going to take a while, maybe more than a season to be challenging for dominance.

Nice to see rookie HC Claybrooks do well, so far, with challenge flags.
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[quote=The_Pauser post_
The Lions go into Toronto next week, and then return home to host Edmonton. After that they are in Regina, before completing a home and home with Saskatchewan back at BC Place. Not sure what schedule you're looking at...
[/quote]

I was not looking at any schedule. I read somewhere there next 2 games were against the Riders, but have been misinformation.

Can they beat the Argos? Two bad teams needing a win.
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