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Baffled Buono seems to have run out of solutions - L.U.

In what has to be the hardest hitting slam from the media yet, LU has this to say after meeting with Wally and the media. What I find baffling is how Wally is letting his assistants failing kill his legacy. How blind can Wally be or is it just plain stubbornness. His own decisions and believing that you could inject Arland Bruce into the line up and see the Arland Bruce of several years ago tear up the park is bizarre. Great PR ploy but that was not going to win Wally a football game. That ploy has amateur hour written all over it.
"In truth, there’s nothing bewildering about the Lions at all, as after nearly three seasons of failure, the same results will continue to be posted without a substantial reworking of the team’s scouting operation and coaching staff, the only aspects of the team which have largely remained untouchable."
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/Baffled+Buon ... z1V48gYySV

Skulsky a guy from the media tosses Wally under the bus in this story which might be true but is hardly smart for someone in your own organization to say especially a former media guy who understands what is a quote for a story:
In an interview two weeks ago, Skulsky made it clear that the status quo won’t last indefinitely with him or owner David Braley.

“David has publicly indicated that Wally has a job for as long as he wants a job. What does that mean? At the end of the day he may have a job in the organization but it could be a different job, whether that’s precipitated by him coming forward or him getting a tap on the shoulder. Wally knows nothing lasts forever. In our assessment today this is not about changing Wally. Changing a head coach is very drastic. Now is not the time and place.”
Ullrich has some not so kind words for the OLINE:
"Buono has made gains on defence by tinkering with his lineup in the last month. But beyond the opening quarter there were no signs of growth offensively in the debut game for receivers Arland Bruce and Kierrie Johnson. The interior of the offensive line was roadkill against the Bombers’ rush. Veteran tailback Jamal Robertson watched in street clothes."
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This is so damn frustrating!!! The only thing Buono hasn't changed is Chapdelaine and Benevides! The team really started going downhill once we lost a hall of famer QB, witih Chap as OC and Benevides as DC. Why is it that any Lions fan can see this, but Buono can't??? :bang:
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Stupidity is when you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Fans are losing interest in the Lions as fast as Donald Trump is losing his hair.
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Do ya think oh great minds of our sports media? The one positive out of this is that it finally seems that the unassailable is possibly becoming assailable. The press is talking about the coaching staff and the great man himself as is apparently the hierarchy within the Lions organization. I am pretty sure Mr. Brailey has had these conversations already but typically the rank and file don't start to get hints of such things for awhile. It's too bad really, WB is a talented man and has done great things in this league. He may well continue to do more great things but it is sad that he can't seem to step back and evaluate rationally the other major component of a teams success (the coaching). If he eventually is forced out, his legacy here will likely be of a man who time and innovation passed by and who failed to realize it. The true measure of greatness in a person is often recognizing when they or the system they support has become an impediment to success. Even now, it still seems like the prevailing attitude is that there are problems but rather than hanging the players out to dry (as has been done so often), they are taking a "we don't really understand what's wrong" bewildered approach. Still no real admission that the coaching may be suspect. It is one of two things, players and/or coaching. Most knowledgeable fans seem to think that this team has reasonable talent, player personnel has been tweeked, changed out, modified and yet still the results remain. That only leaves one real culprit. But like an old man who stubbornly clings to a counter productive tradition, WB has clung to his methods and "his" people despite a mountain of evidence that somehow his recipe has gone horribly wrong. You can't bake a souffle in a moving vehicle no matter how carefully you prepare the ingredients. Success is not possible because there a fundamental flaw in the methodology. That is what the Lions have devolved to. It isn't too late yet Wally. You have modified, rotated and retired many players on this team in your years. Show us that you can apply the same formula in the ranks of the coaching staff. Dare to be different, embrace a new era and tactics. Demonstrate that you aren't so completely rooted in your ways that you are willing to sacrifice all the gains that you have made over the years just of the sake of the status quo.
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The_Pauser wrote:This is so damn frustrating!!! The only thing Buono hasn't changed is Chapdelaine and Benevides! The team really started going downhill once we lost a hall of famer QB, witih Chap as OC and Benevides as DC. Why is it that any Lions fan can see this, but Buono can't??? :bang:

Good for LU for putting Wally's feet to the fire! Like I said before, this started when Bob Ackles passed away. He held Wally accountable and it is time that Skulsky and Braley do as well.

This is the firts time I have heard Wally almost admit he doesnt have the answers anymore.
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The problem that I see is that the talent is larger than the results for the past 4 years, although the talent isn't what it once was, it amazes me that the same coaching staff can't eliminate the execution problems that they fall into. Why is this continually the discussion on here, and the constant answer is the word "execution".
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Shortly after his usual postgame review meeting with club president Dennis Skulsky, which ran decidedly longer than normal Sunday morning, Buono seemed to suggest he is running out of solutions that are within his grasp.
Yes, blaming it on the players, blaming it on execution is wearing thin. But he can't quite pin point yet that it is a coaching matter, that the league has evolved, and his team has not.

His Xs and Os guys are not up to the task.

His personnel work is showing lots of mis-judgments.

He has changed from a coach who liked to develop his own players, to a coach who desperately picks up discards from other teams.
“I’m as bewildered as you are. My problem is I can’t stay bewildered,” said Buono during an hour-long post-mortem, his face drained of expression and voice less combative with reporters relative to custom.

In truth, there’s nothing bewildering about the Lions at all, as after nearly three seasons of failure, the same results will continue to be posted without a substantial reworking of the team’s scouting operation and coaching staff, the only aspects of the team which have largely remained untouchable.
Bewildered? Yes. Dazed and confused? Yes.

The nasty thing, as I've said a number of times, is that the game has changed, and he has not been able to adapt.

New coaches such as Trestman and Hufnagel have raised the bar beyond what he and his assistants can match.
And for Skulsky, who has made it clear in recent weeks that he would definitely have a say in Buono’s future should the slide continue, it was also time Sunday to reinforce his concerns about the Lions and their impact on the market in a Grey Cup year.
That makes it seem that Skulsky has authority over Buono, and his position.

“Where we are is not acceptable,” Skulsky said. “It [was] the normal after-the-game meeting, but this one was obviously longer because of the magnitude of the game.”

In an interview two weeks ago, Skulsky made it clear that the status quo won’t last indefinitely with him or owner David Braley.

“David has publicly indicated that Wally has a job for as long as he wants a job. What does that mean? At the end of the day he may have a job in the organization but it could be a different job, whether that’s precipitated by him coming forward or him getting a tap on the shoulder. Wally knows nothing lasts forever. In our assessment today this is not about changing Wally. Changing a head coach is very drastic. Now is not the time and place.”
"not acceptable" ... True.

"status quo won't last indefinitely with him or owner David Braley" ... We'll see.

“David has publicly indicated that Wally has a job for as long as he wants a job. What does that mean? At the end of the day he may have a job in the organization but it could be a different job, whether that’s precipitated by him coming forward or him getting a tap on the shoulder. Wally knows nothing lasts forever. In our assessment today this is not about changing Wally. Changing a head coach is very drastic. Now is not the time and place.”

"a job for as long as he wants" "a different job" ... Well, that sounds like a change in the endorsement.

"a tap on the shoulder" ... Sad to say, it might come to that.

"Now is not the time and place" ... 6 teams make the playoffs. That could be a bit of a saving grace for Wally. But if we make the playoffs with a record of 5 and 13, that would be kind of sad.
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WestCoastJoe wrote:"a job for as long as he wants" "a different job" ... Well, that sounds like a change in the endorsement.
A rather promising change. Hopefully we'll get some followthrough on that comment.
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Talk is cheap. Fans have been promised changes before but it's still status quo. I'll believe it when I see it.
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swervynmerv wrote:
The_Pauser wrote:This is so damn frustrating!!! The only thing Buono hasn't changed is Chapdelaine and Benevides! The team really started going downhill once we lost a hall of famer QB, witih Chap as OC and Benevides as DC. Why is it that any Lions fan can see this, but Buono can't??? :bang:

Good for LU for putting Wally's feet to the fire! Like I said before, this started when Bob Ackles passed away. He held Wally accountable and it is time that Skulsky and Braley do as well.

This is the firts time I have heard Wally almost admit he doesnt have the answers anymore.
Agree with this. I think Bob really helped Wally in his decision making. Time for a house cleaning. I gave Wally and his coaches the benefit of the doubt; and they haven't done anything to keep my faith. And we can't just shuffle Titanic's deck chairs by placing coaching staff into different roles. They have to go. Dorazio, Chapdelaine and Benevides you have to leave now. Time for new creative thinking and coaches the players can put their belief in.
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The late season success leaves many of us forgetting the problems. As a fan you want to sneak into the playoffs and who knows? Ala 1994 you get to watch your team drink champagne out of the Grey Cup....but the real problems get left unfixed to reappear. The Eskimos and their fans are probably quite happy they missed the 2010 playoffs now. Their opponent in the 2010 turtle derby has kept its shell and been left wondering why everybody is off to the races again.....

Sad, for me. I see Buono as a CFL legend. I hope something happens so his last season can be a better season but he's only got himself, his coordinators and his players to blame, IMO.
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Should have been done at the end of the 8-10 2009 season.

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Wally may very well get a tap on the shoulder but it won't appear that way to anyone but the inner circle.
You can be sure in such a situation Mr Braley will do the honourable thing and allow Wally to 'step down on his own.'
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bc49 wrote: What's the difference between the Caramilk Secret and Chapdelaine's offence?
Nobody has figured out the Caramilk Secret yet..'
Lol.

There once was two coaches,
J. Chap and Wally B,
coaching football like it's still '73

Dropsome Collins, now in Alberta,
Ryan Phillips, he can't hurt ya!
When running backs get near, he gets squeamish
Want a full story? Ask Mike Beamish!

Black and Collins droppin the pigskin,
Casey, or Travis; we can't win

Good 'ol Wally won't wear a set on his head
Just like Collins will drop it in the 'red'

Mikey B, pacing and clucking like a chicken!
Tough to guess what plays the other team is pickin!

Chap, Mikey and Wally
OH WHAT A FOLLY!
Comprehending the coaching, makes me queasy and hurl-ey
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notahomer wrote:The late season success leaves many of us forgetting the problems. As a fan you want to sneak into the playoffs and who knows? Ala 1994 you get to watch your team drink champagne out of the Grey Cup....but the real problems get left unfixed to reappear. The Eskimos and their fans are probably quite happy they missed the 2010 playoffs now. Their opponent in the 2010 turtle derby has kept its shell and been left wondering why everybody is off to the races again.....

Sad, for me. I see Buono as a CFL legend. I hope something happens so his last season can be a better season but he's only got himself, his coordinators and his players to blame, IMO.

One problem with this thinking. The Lions won't have Wally to kick around in the WDF in Calgary like Dave Ritchie did in 1994.

Ritchie put Ray Alexander (Rec) out to block the FG from Calgary and he did. The next 8 min was some awesome work by Danny McManus and receivers Darren Flutie and Matt Clark. I think Alexander and Yo Murphy both dropped balls as conditions were brutal and cold. Doug Flutie's hands for the Stamps were frozen.
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