pennw wrote:I too suspected that WB would not take the politically correct view espoused by some here , and that is good . Some suggested that WB would fine Williams and not "tolerate" his "selfish" act . As we see that is just a bunch hog wash . No doubt the other HC's around the league that saw that , quietly wish they had the guy on their roster too now .
If the PC view was correct , then all that goes on in the pile would have to be stopped . Fine/suspend Khan for the elbow to the back of Williams neck when he was down , as well as Williams for retaliation . But don't stop there , do it in all games , and we wouldn't have any players left on any teams , at least not linemen or linebackers . Some people just choose to turn a blind eye to reality .
Well said by Khan , to his credit that it was no big deal and that that sort of stuff goes on all the time including punches being thrown. The trick is not getting seen by the refs or at least doing it in a manner that they turn a blind eye to it .
They all slagged Murphy too when he was here , yet when he was a free agent the bidding war started .
I don't mind someone disagreeing with my views - that is fine but don't start twisting what I said when you quote a word I used in a post and then make silly statements.
I don't think any post on this board suggested that Wally should take the "politically correct view" and I must admit I don't recall a post saying Wally should fine the guy. I think a number of posters suggested that the player was wrong to retaliate as these undisciplined plays can end up losing a game in football. There was not one post here that smacked of anything like that. As far as fines go, if Wally has a regime of fines for being ejected - he might have as many pro teams do - then is that what you'd call "politically correct"?
The distinction between the posters here is those who felt it was a good thing to set a tone and establish their physical presence and are okay with the ST ejection and those like me who believe that football is about discipline and that there is no excuse for a lack of discipline including what this guy did. Not one post suggested Wally should be issuing a public statement calling the guy out. Not one. I know you are twisting what I said in my post.
Now if this led directly to a loss in this game would posters be saying.. 'hey right on big Steve'. 'Every Lion should be punching someone. We are happy to lose just to see Khan sitting on his butt with the wind knocked out of him.' I very much doubt it.
The point about discipline is that in lower levels of football you will often hear of "winning team" and "disciplined play" together as the losers took too many unnecessary penalties and ended up losing. There guys were settling scores while the other guys were accomplishing their objective - win the game.
The smart coaches know that you can't write a script for a player and say if he does this to you, you can punch him back. That is why coaches instill discipline in their teams and that is what makes football played like pros a great game to watch.
I still can't find a single post where someone on these boards said fine the guy for the ejection. I think most are happy with his play and don't want him to make this a habit. While on fines Wally has among his list of things he will fine a player for what Lowell noted in his blog when he was writing on the fine from the prior Bombers game: "There's a category among the list of fines that can be imposed by Wally Buono where the coach can assess a financial penalty for conduct detrimental to the Lions." That is a pretty broad category and could apply to player ejection situations. You might find that Wally will fine a player (he has) to be consistent and not risk problems in his team where one guy gets off and others are angry that they lost money for fines for less. This is especially true in football where some aren't making the big bucks that their top guys do. If he fined the player he might do it privately and not make a huge deal of it and I don't see why he would. Few fans but those present actually saw it but the team video will show it.
For me this is about winning games, not settling personal scores. I do see the opposite views in community sports though where some coaches have players you know he sends out to hurt opponents as they don't care about penalties, etc. They are just dirty. I learned as a coach that if I can instill that sense of discipline at all times in the team that football teams have my chances are better to win championships. There used to be a team in senior soccer in Vancouver that would was great to start the year but always failed to win promotion to Premier or advance in open cup play because by year end they were all having to sit out due to too many cards. I had my teams take about 4 yellows per year (usually 1 was justified) and hadn't had a red (other than for me as coach) in 8 years or more. The guy who took the red card paid his fine and never played another game. He was a whiner even in practice and didn't last the season. If I get a new player asking how much he has to take before he can retaliate, I either won't sign him or he does it our way.
For me football (not soccer) is the one game with a lot of aggression that is controlled without the need to fight or punch after the whistle. Dirty players in pro ball exist but discipline trumps that every time. I made it a strict policy (contrary to the club rules) that players pay their own fines and they had to retrieve their player card themselves. The other teams in the club had constant problems because the club paid and they got the player cards and presented their cases at the hearings.
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Discipline in football occurs on the field, not off it. Discipline is knowing what you're supposed to do and doing it as best you can. ~ John Madden
Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishments. ~ Jim Rohn - not a football coach but good quote as it speaks about what you need to do to win.
