Breaking News... Printers cut!

[pennw]

Sorry, but none of the Lion QB's have reached mediocre with Chaps offence, that definitely is the core of the problem.

I'm not defending Chap , it's just that CP's poor performance can't be blamed on the Chap . Lulay is already better with very little experience and has shown that much of the shortcomings CP exhibited and were blamed on the the Chap , were really Casey's own doing. Everyone blames Chap for the QB standing in the pocket doing the sack-dance , then along comes Lulay and demonstrates fine scrambling ability . And so the sack-dance really turns out to be Casey's own creation . Very lame to blame Chap for something that Casey does but Lulay shows otherwise .
According to Angus Reid yesterday on the air with Prat and Taylor , Casey just panics back there .

I am sorry, but Lulay isn't better, his QB rating is lower, he is more mobile and that has helped him, but even he has been handcuffed by Chap ball. If you recall Lulay also fumbled the ball a couple of times in the Bomber game, it wasn't stellar QB'ing. The only defence that I can give Chapdelaine is that the Lions OL has been a shambles this season, and to that we can point other fingers.

Last game he was better period . His early games were poor and got him those bad stats , but you overlook the experience level of the two in this comparison .Two QB's going in opposite directions . Lulay is the future , CP is gone . From football period IMO .

[The_Pauser]

I too heard the Pratt and Taylor show yesterday and today . And yes the belief is that CP had lost the teams ( that is , the PLAYERS ) confidence . And Angus Reid was on the show yesterday and did say how nervous , indecisive , tentative he was and had no confidence anymore . For those that missed it , Angus did not sound positive about Casey at all . Not good , very rare to have a player come on the radio and say what Angus said .
WB had no choice really anymore than to cut him . For those ragging on WB for cutting him , it was Wally who was the ONLY ONE willing to give Casey another chance and even gave him a big promotion at the end of last season to start him off as #1 ! Lets see where CP's career goes from here .

I believe this was a byproduct of Casey trying to work within Chap's system. Last year people were complaining too much that all Casey would do was improvise and that he needed to be more of a system QB. Well he became a system QB and our crap system ruined him this year. In fact, that same system has made our other QB's look like crap too!

No Casey did not perform better than the other QB's . Sorry , but Lulay was head and shoulders better than CP last game .

Really? I mean, really? Are you serious? Casey's had games where he's thrown for over 300 yards. Casey as a starting QB this year was 4-4, and the rest of our QB's were 1-5 combined. I'm not sure about you but I like QB's who can put up points in the first half...Lulay's had problems doing that in his last 2 starts. Lulay has also had problems turning the ball over...SERIOUS problems turning the ball over. Lulay has thrown for 4 touchdowns all season (2 came in the last game) compared to 8 interceptions and 7 fumbles. Compare that to Casey's 10 touchdowns, 6 interceptions and 8 fumbles (6 of which came in the span of 2 games). Yes, Casey has been our best QB this season. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could say otherwise.

I , like apparently so many others , going by the posts after the game , had no confidence in Casey when he went in . At first he ran for a few first downs and actually looked pretty good , but then the nervous wreck took over again . I knew we were sunk unless Lulay came back in . Apparently so did his team mates .
Yes there were many other stupid things done in the last game , but none of those player have had a negative impact on the team like Casey has lately .
With Lulay , there is upside , he's only starting his career and shows promise to be a good QB . You can't say that about CP , we've seen the best out of him already , he was in decline long ago . No defense fears him , he used to be a threat to run with the ball when he first started and that opened up the rest of the things he did , for him . That ability to run with the ball seems to be only a distant memory now . With out it he can't do anything , he's not a pocket passer , he doesn't have a quick release , he doesn't see open receivers very well and panics when the heat is on , and every defense knows this , so they all bring the heat big time . So what is left ?

Casey was playing without confidence. I agree with this. I fully believe that his struggles under Chap's offense had sapped his confidence. He wasn't having much success prior to his benching. His brief burst of fumblitis hurt his confidence. But c'mon...there's only so much abuse a guy can take. The offensive line provided him with NO protection all season. What do you expect? The offensive line provided none of our QB's with protection all season, and thus all of them haven't looked good. Casey still was the best of the bunch statistically.

I feel bad for him and was really hopeful late last season he would prove everyone wrong , but this season has been a wash for him unfortunately . And no O/C could change that .
Early this season I bought into the blame the Chap for everything too , but it has become overwhelmingly obvious that the biggest problem was really the QB after all . There was no future for Casey here , he would never become what so many hoped for , and I suspect his career is done .

I think even just an offensive line that could provide protection would have led to a different outcome. An offensive line AND a better OC would have made Casey into a sure shot all-star this year.

[The_Pauser]

Last game he was better period . His early games were poor and got him those bad stats , but you overlook the experience level of the two in this comparison .Two QB's going in opposite directions . Lulay is the future , CP is gone . From football period IMO .

Was he really? This is the same Lulay who put up a measley 1/5 for 4 yards in the first quarter. Are you seriously saying that was better than Casey? This is the same Lulay who put up a measly 8 points in the first half, after getting shutout in the first half of his last start. Really?? You can't be saying this with a straight face...Lulay had 1 great quarter last game, after a game where he won the game with his legs. That's it. Printers has been our best QB this season by far and gave us the best chance to win.

[pennw]

Apparently Angus Reid is among those who disagree with your opinion pauser . Did ya hear him yesterday ? He used words like "panic" and "nervous" and no "confidence" in describing Casey .

[The_Pauser]

Apparently Angus Reid is among those who disagree with your opinion pauser . Did ya hear him yesterday ? He used words like "panic" and "nervous" and no "confidence" in describing Casey .

Jeeze I wonder why? What do you think Angus is going to do, blame his boss? God forbid that he'd look in the mirror and see why Casey panicked on almost every play.

[pennw]

*Mod EDIT: Keep it about the game and the stats not about each other - we are all still cheering for the same team and want to see the same success!*

And no I won't get into a futile and pointless debate with you .

[pennw]

IMO Angus has more credibility than you pauser...

[Rammer]

IMO Angus has more credibility than you pauser...

I would say you saw a QB that had a lot of pent up emotion come into the Bomber game, and that was displayed with his first down run. Then you had the O playing not to lose and against the wind in the 4th, tying his hands and all he wanted to do was find his 04 form.

[The_Pauser]

IMO Angus has more credibility than you pauser...

I would say you saw a QB that had a lot of pent up emotion come into the Bomber game, and that was displayed with his first down run. Then you had the O playing not to lose and against the wind in the 4th, tying his hands and all he wanted to do was find his 04 form.

I think we saw a QB who hates losing, who badly wanted to win, and who was disappointed with how the team just folded up and collapsed. Personally I applaud the outburst. I want our players to be pissed off when we lose like that. Losing the way we did is unacceptable, and for Casey to be the one to take the fall is unacceptable.

[notahomer]

I've faithfully read every post... this is just one of those issues Lions fans are not going to agree on, IMO.

I am sitting here stunned. I think there is always more to it than what the public gets to know. It just seems surprising because he was such a big part of everything this season. But then again Wally did hint that he would not be afraid to cut a guy just because he was part of the ad campaign or whatever, just a week/two ago, IIRC.

I personally try not to rate Lions QB's anymore. I don't think I'll try to get back into the habit until we get a different OC. I just think its unfair to judge QB's when they are constrained by a system. For eg: Buck Pierce hasn't come out and said it verbally but IMO, how Buck played early this season as the Bomber starting QB is what I thought showed his potential. I'll admit he looked rough around the edges at best last season. I refuse to lay that blame just on him. I feel NY Jets QB Sanchez played awful the first game I watched but he wasn't allowed to play, his playbook was shrunk. I think the Lions like to formulate a plan, say "DO THIS even if it doesn't take into your strengths and may even play into your opponents strengths" and if it fails its your fault. Just my but certainly not anything already said by others.

[Lionheart]

I think this book should be called - "How my uncle ruined my career"

This situation started when he one MOP. An award I hated him winning at the time and took alot of flak for too. This is what has that has culminated into, albiet an extreme case. I would bet that if he'd not won, and or not listened to his agent about how great he was he would have had the development he needed in the CFL. All the tools were there, but what I saw was an unraveling of mental nerves trying way too hard to catch up to lost time.

At first I thought it was another case of Wally needed a scapegoat, but after listening to him today and putting two and two together I can see why he did it. Without really knowing what happened behind the scenes in the dressing room or for the last two weeks for that matter I can't say definitively if I would or would not do the same.

It's Lulay's team now, and I suspect this year can't end fast enough for most of us as I don't think it's going to end nicely. I respect Angus's opinion and he's praised Lulay a lot this year, more so about what he can turn into but not what he is now. What I saw or see now does not leave much confidence, his longest pass completion was a very lame duck only caught because the db fell down. There was enough ugly to go around for a farmyard of ducklings.

Having said that, it is entertaining in a ghostly kind of way!

[bclions16]

Absolutely agree Pauser. JJ and Lulay will fair no better.

or "fare" either

Easy there. Your punctuation and grammar isn't good enough to be calling others out for their spelling.

[truth-hurts]

This confirms what we've all been thinking: Wally has lost it.

What does cutting Casey accomplish? You know, I have no issues with his big blowup last game. I'd like to see more players get pissed off in that situation when the team pissed away a win in the 4th quarter. Casey, was not the problem with this team. I feel for the most part that he played well within the limitations of the crappy offense Chaps has employed.

Casey is merely a martyr in this case. The's a victim in this. He's been victimized by a brutal offensive system which hasn't made any QB look good (even Ricky Ray looked horrendous under Chapball), and victimized by Wally's stubbornness to make the necessary changes where it mattered. He looked great last year, and until Chap got to sink his teeth into him with a full training camp, Casey magic was back.

Ah well who are we kidding...until Wally steps down this team is crap anyways.

Wow...do you really feel this way? That just shows what kind of mentality you have! SCAARRRY!!! You support his blowup in Winnipeg? Are you serious? There's a time and a place for all that...when you're 10 yrs old. There's a huge difference between "passion and showing emotion where you MOTIVE your teammates" and "having a temper tantrum and yelling where you BELITTLE your teammates". (Casey falls in the latter category just incase you had a hard time figuring out where he belongs.) As a PROFESSIONAL STARTING QUARTERBACK there's absolutely no room for that kind of behaviour.

OMG and you think he's a martyr in this case and the victim? What? I really can't believe you wrote this! I think it's sad and somewhat annoying how you always blame Wally and Chap for Casey's losses. Casey has had his good days, don't get me wrong, but I'm tired of hearing how Wally and Chap ruined his chances of being a great impact in this league because of their lack of coaching and play calling schemes. The bottom line is Casey was paid to execute the plays on the field and he failed to do so. His behaviour ruined his career and he did that all on his own. Wally and Chap can't be blamed for this one...

[The_Pauser]

Wow...do you really feel this way? That just shows what kind of mentality you have! SCAARRRY!!! You support his blowup in Winnipeg? Are you serious? There's a time and a place for all that...when you're 10 yrs old. There's a huge difference between "passion and showing emotion where you MOTIVE your teammates" and "having a temper tantrum and yelling where you BELITTLE your teammates". (Casey falls in the latter category just incase you had a hard time figuring out where he belongs.) As a PROFESSIONAL STARTING QUARTERBACK there's absolutely no room for that kind of behaviour.

OMG and you think he's a martyr in this case and the victim? What? I really can't believe you wrote this! I think it's sad and somewhat annoying how you always blame Wally and Chap for Casey's losses. Casey has had his good days, don't get me wrong, but I'm tired of hearing how Wally and Chap ruined his chances of being a great impact in this league because of their lack of coaching and play calling schemes. The bottom line is Casey was paid to execute the plays on the field and he failed to do so. His behaviour ruined his career and he did that all on his own. Wally and Chap can't be blamed for this one...

Yes, I support Casey's blowup because someone needed to do it! Someone needed to show emotion on that team. What we've seen from a lot of these players is unacceptable. Casey was frustrated because other players quit on the team. The coaches have quit on the team. Buono has quit coaching.

And yes, I fully blame Chapdelaine and the schemes for Casey's inadequacies this year (as well as our other QB's). We saw what Casey was last year. He was dynamite. He comes in here for a full training camp and the scheming ruined him. Don't believe me? Look at Buck Pierce. He looked awful last year and the year before. He goes to Winnipeg...new system, new schemes, and looks like one of the top QB's in the league. His injury problems are something that's followed him, but his effectiveness went up immensely.