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OrangeShoes99 wrote:And just as obvious that everyone except Rider fans and a weak review saw the Perry hit as not a blow to the head. Migs, do you have access to the tape? You say everyone in the know, well that seems to be the problem here, is that no one, including you knows...

Not sure what your talking about Jack because the only people I remember crying about the Perry hit on DD was Lions fans and Wally Buono. League made its ruling and the rest is history. And as far as the tape of the Jimenez incident, well those involved likely seen the tape and by all accounts it was a brutal cheapshot that could've very well ended a career. And even if the tape is inconclusive, the league held a hearing that included testimony of the officials whom saw the incident which is more than enough evidence. (If verbal evidence by credible eyewitnesses is enough to convict people in a court of law then I'm pretty sure its at least the same with professional sports).

That said, I totally agree with Eliotte Friedmans points in that link. And even if Jimenez pleads that he's innocent isn't the point as the majority of professional athletes that get suspended feels as though they are done wrong by.

Just as you say it's obvious why we want him to appeal, it's obvious why you want him out.

To be honest with ya, IMO Jimenez is the weakest link of your Oline and I'd love him to be in there for 'football' reasons. For 'league' reasons I want him out because it diminishes the authority of the league.....but then again it does embarrass the Lions franchise so who am I to complain?...lol (ie. Friedman's article)

Migs wrote: (If verbal evidence by credible eyewitnesses is enough to convict people in a court of law then I'm pretty sure its at least the same with professional sports).

This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Soundy wrote:This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Wow now we are grasping at straws.

Migs wrote:

Soundy wrote:This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Wow now we are grasping at straws.

Why does it matter so much to the Rider fans as to the timing of the suspension, couldn't it be served next season and still have the desired effect?

AS for grasping at straws, well now I know why you have combines in Saskatchewan....

Migs wrote:

Soundy wrote:This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Wow now we are grasping at straws.

No, not really. Just stating fact. The thing that the league has receivd the most complaints about this year, from fans, is the officiating, and that people simply have lost faith in the officiating crews.

I mean c'mon, there are both Lions' fans and 'Riders' fans who are hoping to get certain officiating members, and not get stuck with others. Proof enough about the lack of faith in officiating crews credibility. Right or wrong, it exists in a big way.

According to this morning's Province, the A.J. Gass arbitration took 24 days. Does the arbitrator decide the timeline for the hearing or the CFL?

Migs wrote:

Gerry wrote:

Migs wrote: Pretty much the same can be said for this thread.

We're expressing opinions here, Migs. Quite understandably we have a bias, but the difference is that we tolerate opposing opinions. In a thread on RF, they're calling Lionbackers "pinheads" and our players "pos". If you challenge them on it, you get called a troll and are banned. No warning. No discussion. Gone.

Yes, we have our opinions here. And we're prepared to debate them and discuss them. With anyone.

But let me ask you. Why is this so important to you? Why post on another team's fansite about an issue that does not affect your team? It was a Lions-Stampeder game in question. If we were the Argos about to face Montreal would you be so concerned about the suspension? I don't think so. You're hoping for advantage on Sunday. Rider fans have salivated over a DD-less and BP-less Lions team all year, and now that we still end up in first, they're looking for more Lions on the sideline.

Sorry to dump it all at your feet, Migs, but I'm getting a bit hot under the collar and I'm banned at RF.

Umm we are playing you guys this weekend so it does affect my team. And the precendent set by AJ Gass is very bush and demeans the commish's office to the point of irrelevence which is bad news for the league as a whole IMO.'

Oh and trust me, I am not sticking up for RF.com whatsoever, I just pointed out that there are team biases on this site and on RF.com which goes both ways. And no I am not hoping for an 'advantage' on Sunday, I am looking for STRONG leadership from the commisioners office and without that its the inmates running the asylum. Heck wasn't it Jimenez that missed the block on Perry that opened DD up for that concussion????.....hell if anything I kinda hope he plays but that isn't the point. That said, its pretty obvious from everyone in the know that Jimenez's actions were brutal and for the betterment of the league he should accept the penalty handed out to him. Just my 2cents!

It does affect your team NOW, and only to the extent that your team gains an advantage due to a penalty being committed against another team. Had the Stamps won the WSF, at least they would have received a bit of payback for the loss of their player. As it is the Riders gain and not due to any wrong perpetrated against them. That is why Rider fans, including yourself, are so adamant on this issue. You are hoping for an advantage that you do not deserve. That, and the hate-on Rider fans seem to incur for any team ahead of them in the standings. (Edmonton in years past).

120dB wrote:According to this morning's Province, the A.J. Gass arbitration took 24 days. Does the arbitrator decide the timeline for the hearing or the CFL?

Yeah, that's something that is "in the dark". It'll be part of the CBA with the CFLPA, and is not written about in the CFL rule book, unfortunately. Would be nice to know how the entire appeals process is scripted.

Migs wrote:

Soundy wrote:This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Wow now we are grasping at straws.

How is questioning the credibility of the refs or the league "grasping at straws"?

How many bogus calls or rulings haven't every team in the league complained about this year, including the Riders? Didn't Tillman get dinged pretty good a little while back? Wasn't that questioned by Rider fans? I see a lot of complaining by Rider fans about officiating in the WSF as well. You'll have to forgive us if we'd rather see for ourselves before we crucify one of our own.

In the meantime, if Jiminez wants to appeal, he should. Personally, I would rather that, if he is going to serve a one game suspension, that he do it in the next game for the Lions after the WF. I think we'll need an intact O-line to a greater degree against the Riders than any team we face afterwards, whether that is this year, or next. I don't see how Rider fans can credibly say anything against that except to show what their true motives are, and that is to seek an undeserved advantage for their team.

120dB wrote:According to this morning's Province, the A.J. Gass arbitration took 24 days. Does the arbitrator decide the timeline for the hearing or the CFL?

Most likely it's a case of logistics. It can be one thing to come up with an arbitrator and another to come up with a mutual time for all the people involved to be available. It's not like potential arbitrators are sitting there doing nothing waiting for the CFL to call.......You're in luck Mr. Cohon. Business has been a bit slow these days. My schedule is wide open. Pick any date and I'll be there.

Migs wrote:

OrangeShoes99 wrote:And just as obvious that everyone except Rider fans and a weak review saw the Perry hit as not a blow to the head. Migs, do you have access to the tape? You say everyone in the know, well that seems to be the problem here, is that no one, including you knows...

Not sure what your talking about Jack because the only people I remember crying about the Perry hit on DD was Lions fans and Wally Buono. League made its ruling and the rest is history. And as far as the tape of the Jimenez incident, well those involved likely seen the tape and by all accounts it was a brutal cheapshot that could've very well ended a career. And even if the tape is inconclusive, the league held a hearing that included testimony of the officials whom saw the incident which is more than enough evidence. (If verbal evidence by credible eyewitnesses is enough to convict people in a court of law then I'm pretty sure its at least the same with professional sports).

That said, I totally agree with Eliotte Friedmans points in that link. And even if Jimenez pleads that he's innocent isn't the point as the majority of professional athletes that get suspended feels as though they are done wrong by.

Just as you say it's obvious why we want him to appeal, it's obvious why you want him out.

To be honest with ya, IMO Jimenez is the weakest link of your Oline and I'd love him to be in there for 'football' reasons. For 'league' reasons I want him out because it diminishes the authority of the league.....but then again it does embarrass the Lions franchise so who am I to complain?...lol (ie. Friedman's article)

Well "Jack" anyone who saw the tape of the Perry his clearly saw him leave his feet, lead with his head and make contact with Dickenson's helmet, Anyone who denies that is either blind or biased. The league says it hit his chest then his "facemask"....last time I checked that was part of your helmet. Anyway that is neither here nor there, and at the time I did not call the hit dirty, but that there should have been, by the rules a penalty, and possible a fine.

Now, unlike you, without seeing the incident, I am not willing to rely on the "judgment" of the CFL or it's officials (they have given us plenty of reason not to) I will defer to Jimenez and let him decide whether he was guilty and let him decide to exercise his right to appeal. As Rammer has pointed out there is precedent here with the Lewis hit, and Jimenez already received more punishment than Lewis, who got nothing. Now, I will admit, without seeing the incident, that may be an unfair comparison, but Jiminez and his lawyers may feel that is grounds to appeal, especially if the block was within the rules as written, and still within the play before the whistle.

We can cope without Jimenez. it's the backside we need to protect and Murphy will do that, I am simply defending the right of the player, as it is written in the collective agreement, that both the CFLPA and the league agreed to. The only thing that is bush about this whole process is how long it took to come to a decision.

Again, I still don't get how this embarasses the Lions franchise? In the eyes of who, you, Elliote Freidman? Quite frankly, who gives a crap? The Lions organization has nothing to be embarrassed about.

No worries...I'll still cook you breakfast...lol

Rammer wrote:

Migs wrote:

Soundy wrote:This assumes the refs are credible witnesses. I don't think you'll find many CFL fans the last couple seasons who DON'T take issue with that assumption.

Wow now we are grasping at straws.

Why does it matter so much to the Rider fans as to the timing of the suspension, couldn't it be served next season and still have the desired effect?

AS for grasping at straws, well now I know why you have combines in Saskatchewan....

there is no guarantees Jiminez will play next year as such if not served this year he can get away with out a penalty even if he were to lose appeal and arbitration. I know it is likely he will return but it is not 100% and that could make the league look very bad. As such (I don't care which way the decision goes) I think the league has to finish the entire process before the end of the season and before this game as it will be BC's last this year and possibly Jiminez's last ever.

Uhhhhh....

wildthing wrote:... as it will be BC's last this year and possibly Jiminez's last ever.

Last ever? And that's coming from where exactly?

Stui wrote:Uhhhhh....

wildthing wrote:... as it will be BC's last this year and possibly Jiminez's last ever.

Last ever? And that's coming from where exactly?

well he took a costly suspension at the wrong time of the year, he has missed key blocks resulting in injury to your main QB, could be the straw that costs him his job. It is merely speculation but it is a very good reason to ensure the suspension is taken care of this year

wildthing wrote:

Stui wrote:Uhhhhh....

wildthing wrote:... as it will be BC's last this year and possibly Jiminez's last ever.

Last ever? And that's coming from where exactly?

well he took a costly suspension at the wrong time of the year, he has missed key blocks resulting in injury to your main QB, could be the straw that costs him his job. It is merely speculation but it is a very good reason to ensure the suspension is taken care of this year

You must have missed the part where Wally is on Jiminez's side and said the hit was legal. Jiminez isn't going anywhere, except maybe back to the NFL.