Re: Training camp 2023
Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 2:54 pm
And Lemon released. Pretty dynamic potential change to their ratio plans. Interesting to what they now have in mind.
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And Lemon released. Pretty dynamic potential change to their ratio plans. Interesting to what they now have in mind.
At the same time they released Lemon and Herdman-Reed. Be interesting to see how this plays out but I can see a ratio shift from 1 starting NAT DL and 2 LB to 2 DL and 1 LB. Rookie LB Brooks Parker has apparently been very much noticable in the eyes of the coaching staff. Plus they've loved the play of Josh Woods since he arrived late in 2021. Regardless Campbell has tremendous depth and flexibility throughout the front 7. Lots of rotational options on how to use that.
Likely not going to happen, but they could easily go 3 starter / on the field Canadians in the D-Line rotation; that plus 2 starting National linebackers. 5 starting Canadians on D would be pretty mind-boggling to some - likely too much.SammyGreene wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 2:54 pmAnd Lemon released. Pretty dynamic potential change to their ratio plans. Interesting to what they now have in mind.
Only going to happen in the eyes of those who still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Leafs winning another Stanley Cup.OV:54-40 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 3:04 pmLikely not going to happen, but they could easily go 3 starter / on the field Canadians in the D-Line rotation; that plus 2 starting National linebackers. 5 starting Canadians on D would be pretty mind-boggling to some - likely too much.SammyGreene wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 2:54 pmAnd Lemon released. Pretty dynamic potential change to their ratio plans. Interesting to what they now have in mind.
I was thinking the same. The simple swapping of Lemon for Kongbo opens up a lot more ratio flexibility than they had yesterday.
Hambone wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 4:09 pmOnly going to happen in the eyes of those who still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Leafs winning another Stanley Cup.OV:54-40 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 3:04 pmLikely not going to happen, but they could easily go 3 starter / on the field Canadians in the D-Line rotation; that plus 2 starting National linebackers. 5 starting Canadians on D would be pretty mind-boggling to some - likely too much.SammyGreene wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 2:54 pm
And Lemon released. Pretty dynamic potential change to their ratio plans. Interesting to what they now have in mind.
Entrenched starters are a reality on the OL and at receiver. On the other side of the ball and especially in the front 7 they are becoming more of a paperwork excercise. Paper starters if you will for the 1st play from scrimmage. From there out the front 7 becomes an 11, 12 or maybe even 13 man rotational unit. I think BC will still register 3 NAT starters in the front 7. Whether that's 2 LB and 1 DL or 1 LB and 2 DL remains to be seen but Kongbo replacing Lemon on the roster only adds to the rotational flexibility Campbell has at his disposal after that first defensive play.
BCF and I will definitely be paying attention to how the 1st and 2nd units line up in tomorrow morning's practice although Kongbo likely would be a limited participant if he is already in camp. It may take a day or two before possible experimental shuffling takes place. Lemon was taking 1st unit reps but he's now gone. I didn't notice where Herdman-Reed had been lining up but am thinking 3rd unit. A sign of new possibilities might be if Parker and Woods might start getting some 1st unit reps. Seems to me they were manning the 2nd unit yesterday and Friday and Parker's stock has been rising.
Exactly why I said front 7's are no longer 7 starters and some backups but rather 11-13 man rotational units. Last year BC rotated 8 DL and up to 5 LB; 4 when Bo was out. There were many times when the entire starting DL was standing on the sidelines for a series while the "backups" were out on the field as a unit. Woods got a ton of playing time rotating in. Campbell would liked to have given him more reps but was held back by the ratio. When Menard/Betts and Cherry were in he could pull Hladik or Williams and insert Woods.OV:54-40 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 4:49 pm
Maybe Campbell believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny; or at least recalls way back to 2016 when he HC'd the mighty RedBlacks to a GC win ; and they were starting/playing 5 of dem NI types on the D (4 played most of the reps on the D-Line + Pruneau at safety).
And IMO, smart teams deploy lots of D-line rotation these days in the CFL (you're not going to see it with the LB corps much or the starting 5 DBs, outside of a nickel or dime back or whatever they want to call it as an extra DB for some passing downs). The Argos i think sort of led the way in the CFL in that strategy last year (GC win) and the Lions did it plenty too if i recall right.
Yeah; nice to have lots of talent where you are not afraid to play back-ups, especially on D where they can sub in for different packages or to give the starters a rest.Hambone wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 5:34 pmExactly why I said front 7's are no longer 7 starters and some backups but rather 11-13 man rotational units. Last year BC rotated 8 DL and up to 5 LB; 4 when Bo was out. There were many times when the entire starting DL was standing on the sidelines for a series while the "backups" were out on the field as a unit. Woods got a ton of playing time rotating in. Campbell would liked to have given him more reps but was held back by the ratio. When Menard/Betts and Cherry were in he could pull Hladik or Williams and insert Woods.OV:54-40 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 4:49 pm
Maybe Campbell believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny; or at least recalls way back to 2016 when he HC'd the mighty RedBlacks to a GC win ; and they were starting/playing 5 of dem NI types on the D (4 played most of the reps on the D-Line + Pruneau at safety).
And IMO, smart teams deploy lots of D-line rotation these days in the CFL (you're not going to see it with the LB corps much or the starting 5 DBs, outside of a nickel or dime back or whatever they want to call it as an extra DB for some passing downs). The Argos i think sort of led the way in the CFL in that strategy last year (GC win) and the Lions did it plenty too if i recall right.
I think today's events only serve to enhance Bemiy's odds of being on the opening game roster. In person he looks almost freakish. Almost slim in the upper body compared to his big and muscular thighs. I don't know what his actual playing weight is at this moment (team lists him at 270) but looks like he could add a good 20# of muscle to his upper body without losing any explosiveness.
Hambone wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 7:38 pmI think today's events only serve to enhance Bemiy's odds of being on the opening game roster. In person he looks almost freakish. Almost slim in the upper body compared to his big and muscular thighs. I don't know what his actual playing weight is at this moment (team lists him at 270) but looks like he could add a good 20# of muscle to his upper body without losing any explosiveness.
Archibald is looking to be totally on the bubble and candidate for no chair when the music stops. Pickett's future employment looks much rosier based on his ability to earn and keep the longsnapper job. At this point you can change is position from DE to LS replacing Tanner Doll. At least it's looking like it's his job to lose. He can either pursue a long career as a CFL longsnapper or be out of football in fairly short order.
Bemiy clocked in at 257 at the Combine but his college playing weight has widely been reported, and confirmed by himself, to range from 250 to 270 likely depending on what role he was expected to fill. Certainly his build looks like he could easily handle either end of that range. He said he's played both end and tackle in college and doesn't really have a preference. With that if BC said they would like him to bulk up to play inside he could do that and if they wanted him to stay lean to play end he could do that too.OV:54-40 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 7:57 pmHambone wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 7:38 pmI think today's events only serve to enhance Bemiy's odds of being on the opening game roster. In person he looks almost freakish. Almost slim in the upper body compared to his big and muscular thighs. I don't know what his actual playing weight is at this moment (team lists him at 270) but looks like he could add a good 20# of muscle to his upper body without losing any explosiveness.
Archibald is looking to be totally on the bubble and candidate for no chair when the music stops. Pickett's future employment looks much rosier based on his ability to earn and keep the longsnapper job. At this point you can change is position from DE to LS replacing Tanner Doll. At least it's looking like it's his job to lose. He can either pursue a long career as a CFL longsnapper or be out of football in fairly short order.
Bemiy weighed in at 257 at the CFL Combine and put up a fairly modest 13 bench reps for a D-lineman at testing there. As a first round pick, he should be given good opportunity to prove the thinkers there correct on using a top pick on him. Archibald & Pickett as later round picks may have a tougher road to prove they can stick. Either of those 2 would IMO likely be signed by some CFL team if they get cut by the Lions.
No teams regularly, all the time use 4 man D-line units, it's not like changing lines in hockey - not sure where you are getting that from, or are you saying that's what they will go with? The top D-linemen play the most reps, and some teams feature lots of rotation of other D-line guys in.Qman wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 11:03 pmTwo things these transactions do
We are going back to American at Mac. Woods (plus brooks/Thomas as 4th DI)
On dline we are going:
Betts, banks, baron, menard - group 1
Teuhema, ? , cherry, kongbo - group 2
Teuhema as 3rd DI
Last year deballie was ?
Bemiy, archibald and picket in tough to dress. One is probably cut.
They will bring in a pro LS. 3 new good LS in league this year. 1-3 vets will get cut. Toronto cut one already. Ottawa has two, Edmonton has 2.