Re: RedBlacks @ Lions -- Post Game Stats and Comments
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:43 am
First, thanks to everyone for making such in depth and passionate comments. The life blood of any professional team are the fans, and this particular site possesses many who understand the game very well.
Second, as Joe, Blitz, Sammy, TLK, etc, have said ad nauseam the problems are FAR BEYOND a 34 year old back up QB with no CFL experience leading a 4-6 team, Manny being asked to play in the Ranger spot while spewing forth bulletin board material each week, or Westerman and Roh being reversed on the DLine and allowed to under achieve out of position for half the season...
These are important items, but they are only the SYMPTOMS of a much, much greater problem. Normally, that problem would land solely or largely on the doorstep of the HC and his staff, but in BC we really don't know who that is, so it takes on much darker and sinister tones! Because this team, over a 4 year period, has played essentially the same antiquated system with a variety of HC's and assistants, it calls into question the role and the power of the GM (who was the HC) because this antiquated system IS HIS!!!
There are a number of BC fans that are beginning to question Tedford's abilities as a HC, surmising that perhaps his "legend" was somewhat misleading...it's not, I assure you. JT is a SMART, INNOVATIVE, ADAPTIVE and CLEVER HC, he's just none of these things for the Lions. So what gives? Is it his health? I have held back on this, but since Joe brought it up this week, we have to consider it. Is JT healthy enough to exert his will on a team festering with poor coaching, slack players and a culture of losing boring football games? And I mean what I say about "exerting" because that is exactly what it takes to CHANGE a malignant presence in any organism. Does JT possess the WILL to change this current Lions culture, which to a lot of guys on the team (like Manny) is nothing more than a joke, a way to keep playing to make some decent coin??? To be honest, it doesn't look like he does...so is it his health and will that is suffering or has he been "cut off" at the knees (or somewhere a little higher) by someone else within the organization???
George Cortez is lost as an OC. He is running an antiquated system without the necessary personnel to run it effectively...and he has ZERO answers to the same problems presented to him each week, that's the SAD part. The same can be said of "young" Mark Washington who is clearly in over his head with the responsibility of the position. And if any of you will remember, we have been harping on the SAME MESSAGE for almost a decade now, through a variety of coaches...why are the Lion's coaches the WORST in the league at making adjustments, and seemingly always losing the 2nd half of the game because of the opposition's adjustments??? I attacked Chaps and even Stubler for being so stubborn and slow to adjust to what was clearly going on around them...but the fact is, that now that they are gone, their replacements have been FAR WORSE at this crucial aspect to coaching. So yet again, WHAT GIVES???
The answer to all these questions CLEARLY leads directly back to Wally Buono, he is the heart of the problems for the Lions and has been for a LONG TIME! We had a good year and a half run through 2011-12 (due to Stubler coming on board and taking over the defence from Benevides, Chaps drastically overhauling his offence, Lulay coming into his own, Harris breaking out, and Khalif Mitchell dominating at DT), but since 2008 this franchise has been in a steady decline in ALL ASPECTS of the game! We have been ATROCIOUS at drafting for a decade until such time that Kelly Bates came along and did a wonderful job, and for his efforts he was "let go". This year's draft was even worse than the Benevides years, which is hard to even imagine. Roy Shivers hasn't been good at his job since BEFORE the days of Bob O'Billivich, and yet he is still part of a "holy trinity" that seems to bring in only "camp fodder" every year. Attendance yesterday was below the Mendoza line. Players are laughing and joking in the locker room after loses, which is so troubling that even the local scribes have been writing about it. JT finally did something about the Manny Arceneaux "Tweet Show" but only at the end of this past week, and after almost 3 months of this crap was allowed to exist. This team has become a JOKE, and not just to me, but to a city of well over a MILLION PEOPLE who don't actually have a lot of other sporting options.
The CFL is a GREAT GAME. I watched the HAM-TOR game this week, and that was better football than anything the NFL can deliver. It is a fast game played on a large field where pre-snap motion is allowed, and points are scored in abundance. The 12 men on offence are given so many advantages over the defence, it isn't even funny, and yet since 2008, largely, we have played some of the most BORING, predictable football that has ever been witnessed. Now was that on Chaps? Nope, he is proving his abilities away from Wally under dire circumstances in SSK. Was that on Khari Jones? His offence in HAM had success both running the football and throwing from play action, but not here. I wrote about the year Doug and Darren Flutie played here, and win or lose, a market completely turned off of the Lion's "joke of a franchise", came out until near the end of the season we had almost 50,000 in the stands. Football is a great spectator game, because its supposed to be fun to watch, and there are few games more fun and exciting than Canadian football, just not here in Vancouver!
So things have to change right? Fraser and Minter (absolute no-brainer changes) have made a big difference since added to the lineup, cut Arceneaux (I recommended this over a month ago)...fire the S Ts coordinator who is so bad at his job that the HC had to turn his focus away from the entire team to this one unit that plays the fewest snaps in the game...fire an OC that simply displays no originality, no ability to adapt and clearly no ability to TEACH. Fire the DC who finally learned in week 11 that perhaps to get pressure on the QB he might have to blitz from the HB or CB position, heck, maybe even from the safety position. Rare, bizarre, wild ideas right? Some fans didn't want to blame the Defence for their part in that horrid loss yesterday because they spent far too much time on the field...and you think this is solely because of the Offence? Maybe one of the reasons that our offence is always so COLD and out of synch is because they RARELY GET ON THE FIELD, NO??? MW plays a style of defence that gives the opposition confidence and leaves our offence cold, bored and uninspired! Don't any of you remember playing football? It is incredibly BORING standing on the sidelines watching your defence consistently make rookie QBs look like Joe Montana. We don't pressure the QB...getting two QB sacks by surprising offences with a "trick" move (because you haven't used it in over a year) isn't getting pressure! Championships are WON by controlling the LOS, both on offence and defence. We are constantly losing these battles, and NOTHING is being done to help give our guys an advantage. Our coaches are simply asking the same players to run the same plays in the same situations game after game expecting them to suddenly EXECUTE properly, like this is on the players...now that's the definition of insanity!
All of the things listed above will help, a little, but without a coaching staff that is allowed to create their own innovative systems, bring in the players that they want and position them where they need to be, then it doesn't matter who is coaching, NOTHING WILL CHANGE! I mean how else do you explain this BIZARRE season from Jeff Tedford, the man "dead" on his own two feet...or are they his own two feet??? We can continue to complain all we want, but until Wally truly hands over the reigns to someone with a plan to compete with Hufnagel and Austin, then what's the point of any of this? It would be one thing if we played exciting football, but we don't! All three aspects of our team STINK and play boring, boring, preventative football, designed not to lose, instead of trying to win!!! So all of this is on US...WE are the passionate fans that take the time to go to games and then even "call in" or "write up" our thoughts. If we don't stand united in our message that Wally has to go and press the issue, then this mess will simply continue, and as I promised a month ago, this thing is still FAR from hitting bottom, it can and will get a lot worse unless wholesale changes are made! I honestly recommend, that whether you have tickets purchased or not, DON'T GO to the home games until Wally steps down, its the greatest single power that we fans possess and is the fastest way to effect change!
MLF
Second, as Joe, Blitz, Sammy, TLK, etc, have said ad nauseam the problems are FAR BEYOND a 34 year old back up QB with no CFL experience leading a 4-6 team, Manny being asked to play in the Ranger spot while spewing forth bulletin board material each week, or Westerman and Roh being reversed on the DLine and allowed to under achieve out of position for half the season...
These are important items, but they are only the SYMPTOMS of a much, much greater problem. Normally, that problem would land solely or largely on the doorstep of the HC and his staff, but in BC we really don't know who that is, so it takes on much darker and sinister tones! Because this team, over a 4 year period, has played essentially the same antiquated system with a variety of HC's and assistants, it calls into question the role and the power of the GM (who was the HC) because this antiquated system IS HIS!!!
There are a number of BC fans that are beginning to question Tedford's abilities as a HC, surmising that perhaps his "legend" was somewhat misleading...it's not, I assure you. JT is a SMART, INNOVATIVE, ADAPTIVE and CLEVER HC, he's just none of these things for the Lions. So what gives? Is it his health? I have held back on this, but since Joe brought it up this week, we have to consider it. Is JT healthy enough to exert his will on a team festering with poor coaching, slack players and a culture of losing boring football games? And I mean what I say about "exerting" because that is exactly what it takes to CHANGE a malignant presence in any organism. Does JT possess the WILL to change this current Lions culture, which to a lot of guys on the team (like Manny) is nothing more than a joke, a way to keep playing to make some decent coin??? To be honest, it doesn't look like he does...so is it his health and will that is suffering or has he been "cut off" at the knees (or somewhere a little higher) by someone else within the organization???
George Cortez is lost as an OC. He is running an antiquated system without the necessary personnel to run it effectively...and he has ZERO answers to the same problems presented to him each week, that's the SAD part. The same can be said of "young" Mark Washington who is clearly in over his head with the responsibility of the position. And if any of you will remember, we have been harping on the SAME MESSAGE for almost a decade now, through a variety of coaches...why are the Lion's coaches the WORST in the league at making adjustments, and seemingly always losing the 2nd half of the game because of the opposition's adjustments??? I attacked Chaps and even Stubler for being so stubborn and slow to adjust to what was clearly going on around them...but the fact is, that now that they are gone, their replacements have been FAR WORSE at this crucial aspect to coaching. So yet again, WHAT GIVES???
The answer to all these questions CLEARLY leads directly back to Wally Buono, he is the heart of the problems for the Lions and has been for a LONG TIME! We had a good year and a half run through 2011-12 (due to Stubler coming on board and taking over the defence from Benevides, Chaps drastically overhauling his offence, Lulay coming into his own, Harris breaking out, and Khalif Mitchell dominating at DT), but since 2008 this franchise has been in a steady decline in ALL ASPECTS of the game! We have been ATROCIOUS at drafting for a decade until such time that Kelly Bates came along and did a wonderful job, and for his efforts he was "let go". This year's draft was even worse than the Benevides years, which is hard to even imagine. Roy Shivers hasn't been good at his job since BEFORE the days of Bob O'Billivich, and yet he is still part of a "holy trinity" that seems to bring in only "camp fodder" every year. Attendance yesterday was below the Mendoza line. Players are laughing and joking in the locker room after loses, which is so troubling that even the local scribes have been writing about it. JT finally did something about the Manny Arceneaux "Tweet Show" but only at the end of this past week, and after almost 3 months of this crap was allowed to exist. This team has become a JOKE, and not just to me, but to a city of well over a MILLION PEOPLE who don't actually have a lot of other sporting options.
The CFL is a GREAT GAME. I watched the HAM-TOR game this week, and that was better football than anything the NFL can deliver. It is a fast game played on a large field where pre-snap motion is allowed, and points are scored in abundance. The 12 men on offence are given so many advantages over the defence, it isn't even funny, and yet since 2008, largely, we have played some of the most BORING, predictable football that has ever been witnessed. Now was that on Chaps? Nope, he is proving his abilities away from Wally under dire circumstances in SSK. Was that on Khari Jones? His offence in HAM had success both running the football and throwing from play action, but not here. I wrote about the year Doug and Darren Flutie played here, and win or lose, a market completely turned off of the Lion's "joke of a franchise", came out until near the end of the season we had almost 50,000 in the stands. Football is a great spectator game, because its supposed to be fun to watch, and there are few games more fun and exciting than Canadian football, just not here in Vancouver!
So things have to change right? Fraser and Minter (absolute no-brainer changes) have made a big difference since added to the lineup, cut Arceneaux (I recommended this over a month ago)...fire the S Ts coordinator who is so bad at his job that the HC had to turn his focus away from the entire team to this one unit that plays the fewest snaps in the game...fire an OC that simply displays no originality, no ability to adapt and clearly no ability to TEACH. Fire the DC who finally learned in week 11 that perhaps to get pressure on the QB he might have to blitz from the HB or CB position, heck, maybe even from the safety position. Rare, bizarre, wild ideas right? Some fans didn't want to blame the Defence for their part in that horrid loss yesterday because they spent far too much time on the field...and you think this is solely because of the Offence? Maybe one of the reasons that our offence is always so COLD and out of synch is because they RARELY GET ON THE FIELD, NO??? MW plays a style of defence that gives the opposition confidence and leaves our offence cold, bored and uninspired! Don't any of you remember playing football? It is incredibly BORING standing on the sidelines watching your defence consistently make rookie QBs look like Joe Montana. We don't pressure the QB...getting two QB sacks by surprising offences with a "trick" move (because you haven't used it in over a year) isn't getting pressure! Championships are WON by controlling the LOS, both on offence and defence. We are constantly losing these battles, and NOTHING is being done to help give our guys an advantage. Our coaches are simply asking the same players to run the same plays in the same situations game after game expecting them to suddenly EXECUTE properly, like this is on the players...now that's the definition of insanity!
All of the things listed above will help, a little, but without a coaching staff that is allowed to create their own innovative systems, bring in the players that they want and position them where they need to be, then it doesn't matter who is coaching, NOTHING WILL CHANGE! I mean how else do you explain this BIZARRE season from Jeff Tedford, the man "dead" on his own two feet...or are they his own two feet??? We can continue to complain all we want, but until Wally truly hands over the reigns to someone with a plan to compete with Hufnagel and Austin, then what's the point of any of this? It would be one thing if we played exciting football, but we don't! All three aspects of our team STINK and play boring, boring, preventative football, designed not to lose, instead of trying to win!!! So all of this is on US...WE are the passionate fans that take the time to go to games and then even "call in" or "write up" our thoughts. If we don't stand united in our message that Wally has to go and press the issue, then this mess will simply continue, and as I promised a month ago, this thing is still FAR from hitting bottom, it can and will get a lot worse unless wholesale changes are made! I honestly recommend, that whether you have tickets purchased or not, DON'T GO to the home games until Wally steps down, its the greatest single power that we fans possess and is the fastest way to effect change!
MLF