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Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:20 am
by CatsEyes
ed_lunsford wrote:And did anyone else happen to catch Travis Lulay's Wally Buono impression?
"Just throw it to the open guy, throw to Geroy, see, it is easy, just throw it to the open man"
Hopefully Lulay does it again sometime because it is quite funny...
No way it can be as funny as Angus' Roy Shivers impression-dear LORD that's funny!

Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:17 am
by B.C.FAN
DanoT wrote:I was at yesterday's morning practice. Peterson was mostly lining up as a right side wide out and didn't appear to me to have any limp. P. Jackson was in shorts and sweat shirt and did some stationary bike and jogged around the track a couple of times with a slight limp.
Thanks, DanoT. Keep the reports coming. I won't be able to get there until next weekend.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:59 am
by korey&dante4ever
Just about to head to Kamloops for the weekend!!.. Going to go to all sessions is the plan.. mix some golf in sunday morning!... I hope to post some observations when I get back sun. night
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:13 pm
by Rammer
korey&dante4ever wrote:Just about to head to Kamloops for the weekend!!.. Going to go to all sessions is the plan.. mix some golf in sunday morning!... I hope to post some observations when I get back sun. night
Much appreciated, and looking forward to some observations.

Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:28 pm
by B.C.FAN
It looks like a bad weekend on the injury front, according to LU:
Hamstring injuries win the day
Wally Buono tried to battle attrition and lost Saturday.
The Lions coach/GM called off practice in the morning, citing injuries to five different defensive backs. The list grew longer as the team hit the field in the afternoon, when Dante Marsh was sidelined. The cornerback, according to eyewitness accounts, threw down his helmet and was taken off in a cart in considerable pain. A club spokesman said Marsh had joined a long list of hamstring injuries but would be re-evaluated further Sunday.
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According to the club's official daily training camp reports, Ryan Phillips, Stanley Franks, Davis Sanchez and rookie Michael Carter are among DBs who have missed time this week due to injuries. LB Joe Henderson and slotback Shawn Gore are others with hamstring injuries.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:47 pm
by ziggy
I wonder if they are showing up out of shape. Seems incredible to me that so many are injured!
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:11 pm
by Rammer
KAMLOOPS, B.C. — They play for jobs at the B.C. Lions training camp, but they also play for job security — and what head coach Wally Buono is doing for motivation is occasionally being taken by some players as a slap in the face.
A pair of veterans in the defensive secondary, Dante Marsh and Ryan Phillips, aren’t even sure they want to continue playing for the CFL club beyond this season. Marsh and Phillips are among nine players who are going into the option year of their contracts and are upset they weren’t among 10 of their teammates who had deals extended over the winter.
Buono vowed he would be more judicious handing out longer deals after the Lions finished 8-10 for the second straight year, and made it quite clear during the winter that those who didn’t receive extensions were being given a message.
Defensive backs Korey Banks, Davis Sanchez and Stanley Franks all had deals redone. Two starting teammates in the secondary, among others, didn’t. It had Marsh so steamed at one point he asked for his release.
“I’m going to be professional this year but a part of you feels like you should play the year out and go somewhere else,” said the 32-year-old two-time divisional all-star, who was told in January the club was considering whether to release him.
“At the end of the day I was kind of told it was motivation.”
Buono said it was also motivation which was behind a decision to initially ask kicker Paul McCallum to take a pay cut after last season, but ended up keeping the 19-year veteran and trading Sean Whyte. Buono, who usually weeds out at least one veteran in the off-season, cut 32-year-old lineman Sherko Haji-Rasouli around the time of the Marsh phone call.
Phillips, 28, has come to accept a discussion about his play as motivation but it would seem clear some issues remain.
“I had a conversation with (Buono) and he said he could easily replace me with two free agents. I’m not going to lie, I wanted to hang up in his face,” the seven-year veteran said. “I’m not going to say it was a slap in the face but it was a reality check for me.”
Veteran players often seek extensions for a variety of reasons, including getting sizable salary payments as bonuses which are assessed differently for taxation.
Five other potential starters, including Paris Jackson, Anton McKenzie, Jon Hameister-Ries and Aaron Hunt, are all heading into their option year and take varying positions whether the Lions are purposely excluding them so far in an effort to improve.
“I was going to work for (an extension) anyway,” said Hunt.
Buono says he does extension deals with players who don’t look for large pay increases, and in some cases has waited until the midway point of the season before assessing whether to make an offer before the start of free agency Feb. 15.
“Last year we tried to give a lot of players some security to create a better environment. It didn’t work out. There’s nothing to be afraid of if you go out and do your job,” he said.
“Do you expect us to open the vault for everybody? We’re paying some players at positions higher than the norm and we’re not getting that out of them.”
But at least two veteran players feel their loyalty to the Lions is being challenged, and their determined look through the first week of training camp is easy to spot. Job security is just as important as the job itself.
It’s a moot point for the time being with Marsh, who suffered a hamstring injury on the weekend and won’t play in the pre-season opener Wednesday against Calgary at the very least, Buono said.
Both insist the off-season issues won’t affect their play. It’s the time between games which still stings a little.
“I never missed a game in seven years. I don’t give you any problems,” said Phillips. “I’m out here on my own now.”
Part of football boys, play lights out and you will get paid. Survival of the fittest, and if you play lights out then you call the shots, best of luck to all those that are being motivated.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:24 pm
by B.C.FAN
Lowell Ullrich shares some interesting insights into quarterbacking, the secondary and offensive line, among other issues, in his blog.
Is the quarterbacking in safe hands?
There's certainly no drama, and there has been comparisons drawn from last year, when Casey Printers could miss a practice and instant dispatches spread across cyberspace.
Travis Lulay looks and acts like a starter. The difference in the throwing motion of Jarious Jackson compared to last year, when he was labouring, is noticeable. (Wally Buono admitted the other day he was "unfair" to Jackson when he made him start a game last year).
The battle for roster status behind the two is not complete. Mike Reilly had the early edge but of the two rookies behind him Corey Leonard (Arkansas State) seems to have a better understanding, though Matt Johnson (Bethune-Cookman) is a better scrambler and makes a hot throw with accuracy.
What is the strength of the Lions this year?
Hands down, its the secondary, though you think back to the playoff loss in Saskatchewan and realize this is basically the same group and wonder if that is a good thing.
Fact is, no group has a better understanding of each other than these guys. They're also fun to hear them snipe at the offence and each other. Only issue would seem to be how to use David Hyland, who is being worked at virtually every spot in the backfield. And that answer may become obvious when a firm diagnosis on Dante Marsh becomes available.
Is everything really set on the offensive line?
Buono says it is, but appearances are to the contrary. There's a regular rotation at right guard between Jesse Newman, who had the job at the start of camp, Andrew Jones and Dean Valli. That might suggest the Lions have made a call but want to make sure. Word is Valli has moved past Newman, pending pre-season play. The player deemed more versatile among Jones and Justin Sorensen might figure to be the one who'll continue with the Lions, as one veteran likely will still have to go.
Five burning questions
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:00 pm
by Bosco
Headed up to Kamloops and the Lions fanfest today.
* The Lions ran a controlled scrimmage with each of their 5 QB's taking approx 8 snaps each. Travis Lulay looked strong and very much an on field leader. Mike Reilly & Corey Leonard looked so-so with their turn at QB. Matt Johnson is a scrambler and looks like he might be interesting, given time.
* Jamal Robertson saw the bulk of the carries at RB
* Both kickers (McCallum & O'Neill) looked good.
* Dante Marsh sat out with a calf injury.
* Asked JR LaRose how is leg is rebounding following 2010 season ending surgery - claims it's "about 90%"
* Lions have to find SOME way to get David Hyland on the field - he's noticeable whenever he's on the field.
* According to the Lions roster, RB Michael Smith is listed as 5'10". If he's 5'10", then I'm 8'2"!

Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:08 pm
by DanoT
Fan Fest seemed to be well attended and enjoyed. They had a blues band playing throughout the day including during the scrimage and while Rick Ball and Guillio Caravetta did a PA play by play sort of.
Jamal Lee had his knee wrapped and did not scrimage. Paris Jackson is the other player on the 2-man Training Camp injured list.
Cauchy Muamba did some reps at corner back.
David Hyland played some DB and was noticeable.
I was impressed with #80 Dobson Collins at WR. He just looks like a football player.
# 83 Nick Moore is the other rookie WR that I liked.
#16 Matt Johnson QB, although listed at 5'10", he just looks small.
Jamal Robertson caught several passes. I figure he will play a big role in the passing game, picking up a lot of the slack left by the departure of Manny Arceneaux and injury to P. Jackson.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:15 am
by joe kapp22
LU is reporting Messum has been asked to leave camp and will be suspended.
more to follow to be sure.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:35 am
by Rammer
joe kapp22 wrote:LU is reporting Messum has been asked to leave camp and will be suspended.
more to follow to be sure.
Suspended is an interesting term, which means the Lions will retain his rights. In order to do this, he must be in some more hot water.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:44 am
by korey&dante4ever
Ok, so a few observations from camp as I attended over the weekend:
- I hear there were some cuts - No surprises among the bunch (excluding Messam I suppose) as all the players that were cut weren't getting many reps anyway. I knew things were looking bad for Calvin Simon when he was blocking in a QB sneak package when the rest of the offense was on the other side of the field in the skelly drills.
- Keegan Herring cut.. Again, no surprise.. Almost got into a fight with Keron Williams until Aaron Hunt got in there to break it up.. Pretty sure Herring went low on Keron for a block and Keron got up and had daggers in his eyes.
- Brandon Thompkins: Listed at 6'2".. LOL.. He was standing beside Marc Ison who is listed at 5'11" and was a good inch shorter than him.
Anyways:
- At reciever, Dobson Collins looks good. Fast and athletic. Asked a player at fanfest who the best import rookie reciever is. The reply was quick with Collins being the answer. Akeem Foster is a HUGE target. Listed at 6'4", and that's true. Eyeballing it looks like he's 6'5".
- Dante Marsh pulled his hamstring 30 feet in front of me. Dropped the f-bomb and threw his helmet a good 20 yards in frustration. In a lot of pain.
- Like LU said, RB Tim Brown does have a lot of Stefan Logan in him. Quick with his moves/jukes. Frontrunner among the import RB's.
- Jovan and Archibald are beasts at the tackles. Best tandem in the league one would figure.
- Muamba made a nice interception at wide side corner. Perhaps the future at that position.
- Aragki got quite a few reps at safety and as he came off the field after three consecutive plays he said in exhaustion "I can't believe they just ran three straight corner routes on me".. Alot of running lol.
- Lulay looks good, content to dump it off to his backs coming out of the backfield if the intermediate or deep ball isn't there.
- Elimimian, well, he looks like himself out there.. So quick in pursuit.
That's all off the top of my head.
Re: Official 2011 Training Camp Thread
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:50 am
by WestCoastJoe
Great report, kd4e. Much appreciated.
