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Re: Embarassing

Mikemike wrote:
TheLionKing wrote:
It's not the coaching, nor the game plan. It's all about execution.

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Correction: "It's NEVER the coaching, nor is it EVER the game plan. It's ALWAYS all about the execution..."
It was obvious that Winnipeg was frustrated and attemtping to goad us into penalties. Afer Sanchez took two penalties it was time for Wally to settle the troopls down. A second factor was that a number of our players, when we had a 32-11 lead, were strutting around with poor attitude.

It was obvious that the hit on Mitchell, while he was engaged with another lineman was a very dirty play by Winnipeg, with intent to injure. However, Mitchell was not hurt and loosing his cool, on such a key play, when we had come up with such a big sack by Brown, cost us badly.

I'm not going to gete into the whole quarterback carousel thing. Lulay didn't look good for most of the game and only passed for 137 yards in over three quarters. I've always been a Casey Printers fan but have to admit he didn't look good out there and his interception may have finished his career here, at the end of the season. Jarious languishes on the bench, his age and his last performance held against him.

However, it really doesn't matter which quarterback we put in there. This is an offence designed to make any quarterback look awful at times. If we actually had a very good offensive coordinator, this team would be flourishing.
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This is a very young team and it showed. When leadership from veteran players and coaches was needed it didn't happen. Getting goaded into penalties by trash talk :wag: makes Sanchez was the biggest embarrassment imo.
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It was obvious that the hit on Mitchell, while he was engaged with another lineman was a very dirty play by Winnipeg, with intent to injure.
That play looked like incidental contact with the Bomber lineman being knocked down and hit Mitchell's leg. In contrast, Jiminez's attack on B. Johnson was clearly "intent to injure", but Brent didn't come up swinging.

I guess we can cut Mitchell some slack, being in his 3rd pro game since being plucked from some southern backwoods. But Sanchez's hissy-fit was inexcusable for a 14 year pro. I had stated my reservations about the character of the 3 veterans the Lions proposed to sign this Spring...Sanchez, Armstrong and R. Johnson. At least the Lions skipped on Riall.
It did appear that the Bomber was knocked down and rolled into Mitchell. Technically, Mitchell should have received another penalty for removing his helmet,

Another game where penalties that should have been called that were missed. Some were right in front of the refs which is very frustrating.
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Embarrassing? Yes. Yes it was. ou could feel the game get sucked away as soon as Sanchez went off.

Sanchez, you looked like an amateur. And I place the loss right at your feet.

Ryan Phillips - your play has digressed so badly over the past 2 years. Time to ride off into the sunset.

Casey, Casey, Casey. Its over man. Whatever you had when you you left here for KC is long long gone. You look like a pouty little kid that keeps getting his lunch money stolen. Time to focus on whatever else it is you do. Buh bye.

Chaps. We're trying to win football games. Please try and help for a change. Enjoy the last few games here and then send us a postcard from where-ever you end up.

Wally. Your goal next year is to be the best GM in the league. First on your list is a phone call to Dave Dickenson.

Heavy sigh. Bring on Edmonton.
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I wouldn't put all this on Sanchez, he was sticking up for Reddick as Edwards was really berating him. Franks also received 15 yards on the point after, which was assessed on that kickoff, for head butting a Bomber.

Yonus Davis also took a stupid penalty for jumping into the prop biplane the Bombers use after he scored his touchdown. And the Mitchell penalty, well, we have discussed that ad-nauseum....here's a road map and an apple.

Bottom line is these guys thought they had it won and decided to start yapping. They completely fell apart....that's when the coaches needed to reign some of them in and let them know the game is 60 minutes. When you only had 5 wins in 16 weeks, at that point, the last thing you need to be doing is giving the other team a reason.

if I were Pasquale, Wednesdays practice would be gassers for 2 hours. But as usual, it will be the standard "Ranger, ranger ranger"

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truth-hurts wrote: Oh Pauser...how you walk with blinders on. You think it's comical that we would want Jarious on the field over Casey? You obviously didn't watch the SASK game when Jarious was the starter. The WHOLE team played awful. Geez, you couldn't even call them a team at that point in time. They were still trying to gel as a team and unfortunately Jarious was chosen to start that game. That is UNFAIR to say that Jarious' performance in SASK was the worst of any of our QBs all season. He just came back from a shoulder surgery, he hadn't played since Sept. 2009, and he had to work with an O-line that decided not to show up for the game. AND, if I remember correctly, Jarious had 2 huge passes in that game (one to Geroy and one to Arceneaux that should have been called for pass interferences on the Riders but weren't) and the team itself, again, had undisciplined penalties throughout the whole game.

So, to me the only thing comical is that Jarious has had only ONE game to play a significant role as our QB and since then he hasn't been given the chance to "redeem" himself. Jarious has proven that he has the focus and the guts to win games but this season he is getting the short end of the stick since the signing of Casey and the "lets-test-out-Lulay-to-see-if-he's-our-future-starting-QB" mentality of Wally.

Casey has had his chance from day one to prove himself. Even before Hamilton his erratic dancing feet and "hovering in the pocket for no reason" was disturbing to watch. If it weren't for our defense and special teams we wouldn't have 5 wins (or is it 6) under our belt. It's surely not because of Casey! He hasn't produced much on the field for anyone to jump and applaud his AWESOME performance. He's very mediocre. Almost hard to watch even.

I would definitely support the people who wants to see Jarious come into the game. He has a certain flare that he adds to the game and for some reason there's a sense of WIN in the air when he steps onto the field. You can laugh all you want, Pauser, but I much rather see a bull at the helm...not a prancing deer.
Jarious Jackson throws 7/18 in a Calgary game this year, and then 18/31 for 2 interceptions (one going for a touchdown) and you want to start him because you think he's so good....Casey in his last 2 full games throws for over 600 yards combined with a 5:2 touchdown to interception ratio and he's crap? Seriously? Let's not forget the string of 3 starts in a row this year where Lulay had a 0:5 touchdown to interception ratio. Hell, Lulay has only thrown 4 touchdown passes all season off of 189 attempts and sports a very shiny 4:8 touchdown to interception ratio. And let's not forget the horrendous games Jarious had last season. I seem to remember a game against Winnipeg where Jarious threw 3 interceptions and fumbled the ball twice last year. That's 5 turnovers. If Casey were to do that you would publically lynch him. People love Jackson because he can throw big deep bombs, but he's not without his warts. In fact, he has stunk up the joint just as bad if not worse than Casey has this season. Yet people overlook that.

Seriously, if you change the name plate on Casey's jersey to J Jackson, then I highly doubt he takes as much heat for his production this season from a lot of you as he has.
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THe Casey-train has left the station Pauser. He has lost "it". Time to part ways and give Lulay the reins for next season.
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PRINTERS, C 2010 BC 237 129 54.4 1,731 58 10 4. 2 6 2.5 81.4 (efficiency)
LULAY, T 2010 BC 189 112 59.3 1,433 98 4 2. 1 8 4.2 72.5 "
JACKSON, J. 2010 B.C. 48 26 54.2 293 36 0 0. 0 3 6.3 46.6 "


Right now, none of our quarterbacks look good in this offence. Printers has the highest quarterback efficiency average of the three of them. Printers was 4/6 in the Winnipeg game, including his interception throw. He also made a good run for a first down.

Our quarterbacks have much more talent than their stats indicate. Their lack of success is more a reflection of offensive scheme, occasional pass blocking lapses, an inconsistent ground game, a predictable passing attack, being in second and long too often, sacks, pressure, etc.

Am I disappointed in Casey Printers play this season? Yes. He is a very talented quarterback. Is Lulay as untalented as to hardly be able to complete a pass in the first half of his last two games? No, he's not. Is Jarious a quarterback who should have struggled as bad as he did in his last start? No, this is a guy in 2007 who won 9 of his first 11 games as a starter and was a very dangerous quarterback during that stretch.

Casey Printers shone best in 2004, in the first 2/3 of that season when Burratto was working with him on the sidelines. Jarious Jackson shone under the play calling and tutelage of Steve Kruck in 2007. Printers, Lulay, and Jackson have different styles but each one of them is a better quarterback than they are able to demonstrate. We can each call for our favorite but the fact is that none of them are going to be able to play to their potential in our pop gun Chapdelaine run offence. That's a fact, Jack! :)
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Blitz wrote:PRINTERS, C 2010 BC 237 129 54.4 1,731 58 10 4. 2 6 2.5 81.4 (efficiency)
LULAY, T 2010 BC 189 112 59.3 1,433 98 4 2. 1 8 4.2 72.5 "
JACKSON, J. 2010 B.C. 48 26 54.2 293 36 0 0. 0 3 6.3 46.6 "


Right now, none of our quarterbacks look good in this offence. Printers has the highest quarterback efficiency average of the three of them. Printers was 4/6 in the Winnipeg game, including his interception throw. He also made a good run for a first down.

Our quarterbacks have much more talent than their stats indicate. Their lack of success is more a reflection of offensive scheme, occasional pass blocking lapses, an inconsistent ground game, a predictable passing attack, being in second and long too often, sacks, pressure, etc.

Am I disappointed in Casey Printers play this season? Yes. He is a very talented quarterback. Is Lulay as untalented as to hardly be able to complete a pass in the first half of his last two games? No, he's not. Is Jarious a quarterback who should have struggled as bad as he did in his last start? No, this is a guy in 2007 who won 9 of his first 11 games as a starter and was a very dangerous quarterback during that stretch.

Casey Printers shone best in 2004, in the first 2/3 of that season when Burratto was working with him on the sidelines. Jarious Jackson shone under the play calling and tutelage of Steve Kruck in 2007. Printers, Lulay, and Jackson have different styles but each one of them is a better quarterback than they are able to demonstrate. We can each call for our favorite but the fact is that none of them are going to be able to play to their potential in our pop gun Chapdelaine run offence. That's a fact, Jack! :)

YEs he did. And that was 6 years ago. He threw all that playing time away when he turned down Buono and the Lions and went to KC. The move cost him his career. He has NOT looked even remotely like he did in 2004 and he has no-one but his Uncle and himself to blame.
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YEs he did. And that was 6 years ago. He threw all that playing time away when he turned down Buono and the Lions and went to KC. The move cost him his career. He has NOT looked even remotely like he did in 2004 and he has no-one but his Uncle and himself to blame.
But which QB has stood out since 2004? Nobody really. Even Dave Dickenson has looked ordinary under this offense. This is the same Dave Dickenson that is known to pick apart defenses, bur looked really ordinary under Chap. If an intelligent QB like Dave Dickenson can't flourish under this system, I don't know who can. We've see 3 QB's play this year and all 3 have looked mediocre at best with Casey actually looking the best out of the 3. With the 3 guys we have, we should be tearing up the league.
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truth-hurts wrote: Oh Pauser...how you walk with blinders on. You think it's comical that we would want Jarious on the field over Casey? You obviously didn't watch the SASK game when Jarious was the starter. The WHOLE team played awful. Geez, you couldn't even call them a team at that point in time. They were still trying to gel as a team and unfortunately Jarious was chosen to start that game. That is UNFAIR to say that Jarious' performance in SASK was the worst of any of our QBs all season. He just came back from a shoulder surgery, he hadn't played since Sept. 2009, and he had to work with an O-line that decided not to show up for the game. AND, if I remember correctly, Jarious had 2 huge passes in that game (one to Geroy and one to Arceneaux that should have been called for pass interferences on the Riders but weren't) and the team itself, again, had undisciplined penalties throughout the whole game.

So, to me the only thing comical is that Jarious has had only ONE game to play a significant role as our QB and since then he hasn't been given the chance to "redeem" himself. Jarious has proven that he has the focus and the guts to win games but this season he is getting the short end of the stick since the signing of Casey and the "lets-test-out-Lulay-to-see-if-he's-our-future-starting-QB" mentality of Wally.

Casey has had his chance from day one to prove himself. Even before Hamilton his erratic dancing feet and "hovering in the pocket for no reason" was disturbing to watch. If it weren't for our defense and special teams we wouldn't have 5 wins (or is it 6) under our belt. It's surely not because of Casey! He hasn't produced much on the field for anyone to jump and applaud his AWESOME performance. He's very mediocre. Almost hard to watch even.

I would definitely support the people who wants to see Jarious come into the game. He has a certain flare that he adds to the game and for some reason there's a sense of WIN in the air when he steps onto the field. You can laugh all you want, Pauser, but I much rather see a bull at the helm...not a prancing deer.
Jarious Jackson throws 7/18 in a Calgary game this year, and then 18/31 for 2 interceptions (one going for a touchdown) and you want to start him because you think he's so good....Casey in his last 2 full games throws for over 600 yards combined with a 5:2 touchdown to interception ratio and he's crap? Seriously? Let's not forget the string of 3 starts in a row this year where Lulay had a 0:5 touchdown to interception ratio. Hell, Lulay has only thrown 4 touchdown passes all season off of 189 attempts and sports a very shiny 4:8 touchdown to interception ratio. And let's not forget the horrendous games Jarious had last season. I seem to remember a game against Winnipeg where Jarious threw 3 interceptions and fumbled the ball twice last year. That's 5 turnovers. If Casey were to do that you would publically lynch him. People love Jackson because he can throw big deep bombs, but he's not without his warts. In fact, he has stunk up the joint just as bad if not worse than Casey has this season. Yet people overlook that.

Seriously, if you change the name plate on Casey's jersey to J Jackson, then I highly doubt he takes as much heat for his production this season from a lot of you as he has.
Right.... and are you trying to say we don't blame Jarious when he screws up that royally?? Cause I seem to remember that ya, we lynch him too when he plays that badly.
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Blitz wrote:PRINTERS, C 2010 BC 237 129 54.4 1,731 58 10 4. 2 6 2.5 81.4 (efficiency)
LULAY, T 2010 BC 189 112 59.3 1,433 98 4 2. 1 8 4.2 72.5 "
JACKSON, J. 2010 B.C. 48 26 54.2 293 36 0 0. 0 3 6.3 46.6 "


Right now, none of our quarterbacks look good in this offence. Printers has the highest quarterback efficiency average of the three of them. Printers was 4/6 in the Winnipeg game, including his interception throw. He also made a good run for a first down.

Our quarterbacks have much more talent than their stats indicate. Their lack of success is more a reflection of offensive scheme, occasional pass blocking lapses, an inconsistent ground game, a predictable passing attack, being in second and long too often, sacks, pressure, etc.

Am I disappointed in Casey Printers play this season? Yes. He is a very talented quarterback. Is Lulay as untalented as to hardly be able to complete a pass in the first half of his last two games? No, he's not. Is Jarious a quarterback who should have struggled as bad as he did in his last start? No, this is a guy in 2007 who won 9 of his first 11 games as a starter and was a very dangerous quarterback during that stretch.

Casey Printers shone best in 2004, in the first 2/3 of that season when Burratto was working with him on the sidelines. Jarious Jackson shone under the play calling and tutelage of Steve Kruck in 2007. Printers, Lulay, and Jackson have different styles but each one of them is a better quarterback than they are able to demonstrate. We can each call for our favorite but the fact is that none of them are going to be able to play to their potential in our pop gun Chapdelaine run offence. That's a fact, Jack! :)
Interesting when you begin to connect the dots, Lions QB's only had real production when Burratto and Kruck were running the offense. My problem with the game yesterday was the conservative nature that the Lions took on once the momentum got away from them after the Sanchez episode. Play to win, don't play call not to lose. One thing that I did notice though was on the CP run, he got up with way too much emotion, a fault that generally hinders his performance, IMO. CP may be speaking better about the team play, but he still has to check his emotional investment in game time to succeed, again IMO.
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