Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:08 pm
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Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:23 pm
Player talent aside, I still maintain that the biggest loss to the team was the retirement of Cal Murphy. Here was a guy that had Head Coach experience and years of experience in the league. He added a real sense of stability to the team and players. If anyone could catch the ear of Wally on the sidelines and provide sage game time advice it was Cal. Since he has been gone the team has not played to its potential.
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:51 pm
Are you maybe thinking of Dave Richie?TremTan wrote:Player talent aside, I still maintain that the biggest loss to the team was the retirement of Cal Murphy. Here was a guy that had Head Coach experience and years of experience in the league. He added a real sense of stability to the team and players. If anyone could catch the ear of Wally on the sidelines and provide sage game time advice it was Cal. Since he has been gone the team has not played to its potential.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:04 pm
That was one butt ugly game that neither coach can come away from being overly pleased although Miller gets soothed with the W. Regardless I came out of it with far more positives than negatives from a Lion standpoint.
Kicking: some have chastised McCallum for the miss, but what was it 47 yards and he hit the outside of the upright? He still came out if the game with a 43.5 yard punting average.
OL: Definitely cause for concern on one hand. On the other hand you have a team that likes to go with a single back set and has a new left side in place. Many missed assignments but Etcheverry's defense is all about creating confusion with stunts and overloads. It may have been a purrfect combination of factors to produce what we saw last night. I expected the OL to need a few games to gel. Facing Etch's D might have been the worst possible scenario to start that process under.
QB: Custer had better protection against Sitting Bull than Pierce had most of last night. 1, 2, 3 throw is an easy thing to do but all too often for Buck it was 1, 2, DUCK!!!!! He wasn't helped early in the game with drops by receivers that killed drives. Otherwise it was a game performance as we've come to expect. Add things up and you get 33 attempts, 8 sacks, 4 fumbles forced and even his TD run I believe was caused by his protection breaking down before he even had a chance to look for a receiver.
RB: Mallett looks like a keeper. Smart did well before getting hurt. With all the mistakes leading to the big early lead by the Riders it was tough to try establishing a run game. These guys may not fill Logan's cleats, but I think we'll be OK.
RECEIVERS: I think by the end of the year we're going to love this group. It would've been nice if Grice-Mullen hauled in that difficult but catchable ball in the waning seconds. Regardless when you think he's only 22 and Arceneaux is 21 and both are starting already they could be a scary combination as they learn the league a bit more. With Jackson and Simon in the slots and Heatherington looking solid it bodes well for the immediate future.
DL: Foley may not be Wake and Gibbs may not have Ty Williams' biceps but I think both acquitted themselves very well last night. I think Gibbs will prove to be an upgrade over the aging situational Williams before Labour Day hits. The roughing the passer call I think was a bit of hard luck for him. He did contact Durant below the waist but I don't think he had much control over that with the Rider OL draped all over his back pushing him downwards.
LB: While some complained about Glatt's 1st half I thought he had a solid game. Fans often complain he's out of position but we don't know what his responsibilities call for on a given play depending on the read. McKenzie looked well worth the FA investment and will be an upgrade over Floyd.
SECONDARY: All in all a solid night. I was very impressed with Toney. He made some nice defensive plays and had a bit of tough luck when he broke up the pass to Dressler only to have it tip off his fingers and right back to Dressler. The secondary did struggle to contain Dressler after he made some catches but Dressler has a habit of doing that to all teams. ed: Lion82 1 catch for 9 yards.
RETURN GAME: Adequate. Smart getting hurt forced others to fill in. Hopefully he's not out long. Although it will give Mallett the opportunity to nail down the tailback job. If that happens the RB/KR by committee could revert to the old system of Smart handling all return duties while Mallett gets the full-time TB gig.
Kicking: some have chastised McCallum for the miss, but what was it 47 yards and he hit the outside of the upright? He still came out if the game with a 43.5 yard punting average.
OL: Definitely cause for concern on one hand. On the other hand you have a team that likes to go with a single back set and has a new left side in place. Many missed assignments but Etcheverry's defense is all about creating confusion with stunts and overloads. It may have been a purrfect combination of factors to produce what we saw last night. I expected the OL to need a few games to gel. Facing Etch's D might have been the worst possible scenario to start that process under.
QB: Custer had better protection against Sitting Bull than Pierce had most of last night. 1, 2, 3 throw is an easy thing to do but all too often for Buck it was 1, 2, DUCK!!!!! He wasn't helped early in the game with drops by receivers that killed drives. Otherwise it was a game performance as we've come to expect. Add things up and you get 33 attempts, 8 sacks, 4 fumbles forced and even his TD run I believe was caused by his protection breaking down before he even had a chance to look for a receiver.
RB: Mallett looks like a keeper. Smart did well before getting hurt. With all the mistakes leading to the big early lead by the Riders it was tough to try establishing a run game. These guys may not fill Logan's cleats, but I think we'll be OK.
RECEIVERS: I think by the end of the year we're going to love this group. It would've been nice if Grice-Mullen hauled in that difficult but catchable ball in the waning seconds. Regardless when you think he's only 22 and Arceneaux is 21 and both are starting already they could be a scary combination as they learn the league a bit more. With Jackson and Simon in the slots and Heatherington looking solid it bodes well for the immediate future.
DL: Foley may not be Wake and Gibbs may not have Ty Williams' biceps but I think both acquitted themselves very well last night. I think Gibbs will prove to be an upgrade over the aging situational Williams before Labour Day hits. The roughing the passer call I think was a bit of hard luck for him. He did contact Durant below the waist but I don't think he had much control over that with the Rider OL draped all over his back pushing him downwards.
LB: While some complained about Glatt's 1st half I thought he had a solid game. Fans often complain he's out of position but we don't know what his responsibilities call for on a given play depending on the read. McKenzie looked well worth the FA investment and will be an upgrade over Floyd.
SECONDARY: All in all a solid night. I was very impressed with Toney. He made some nice defensive plays and had a bit of tough luck when he broke up the pass to Dressler only to have it tip off his fingers and right back to Dressler. The secondary did struggle to contain Dressler after he made some catches but Dressler has a habit of doing that to all teams. ed: Lion82 1 catch for 9 yards.
RETURN GAME: Adequate. Smart getting hurt forced others to fill in. Hopefully he's not out long. Although it will give Mallett the opportunity to nail down the tailback job. If that happens the RB/KR by committee could revert to the old system of Smart handling all return duties while Mallett gets the full-time TB gig.
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:02 pm
Whenever your quarterback is getting sacked like Buck Pierce was against Regina, who used a lot of different looks, stunts, and blitzes on defense, you have to look at three things...Rammer wrote:Really I had no problem with the decision to hem the Riders in with the punt from the 33, it was the execution that was the problem. All second half we had the Riders O's number, had Paul done his job, the Lions would have been able to put the hammer down just by playing conservative. The punt sailing for the single changed the outcome of the game more than any other single play.
1. The offensive play calling and scheme
2. The quarterback recognizing that he had less time and making the necessary adjustment.
3. The offensive line and backs making the proper reads.
It was a dismal offensive performance!
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:34 pm
Im watching the game again on my PVR hoping for a different outcome 
BB
BBRe: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:10 pm
Are you going to do your post-game analysis the way you did last year, Blitz? I really enjoyed those and they gave great insight and they disected the game with great precision...Blitz wrote:Whenever your quarterback is getting sacked like Buck Pierce was against Regina, who used a lot of different looks, stunts, and blitzes on defense, you have to look at three things...
1. The offensive play calling and scheme
2. The quarterback recognizing that he had less time and making the necessary adjustment.
3. The offensive line and backs making the proper reads.
It was a dismal offensive performance!
If you could, it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh, and Hambone, great analysis today as well.
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:53 pm
I thought you guys needed a break from me...but I certainly could add some post-game thoughts for next game...korey&dante4ever wrote:Are you going to do your post-game analysis the way you did last year, Blitz? I really enjoyed those and they gave great insight and they disected the game with great precision...Blitz wrote:Whenever your quarterback is getting sacked like Buck Pierce was against Regina, who used a lot of different looks, stunts, and blitzes on defense, you have to look at three things...
1. The offensive play calling and scheme
2. The quarterback recognizing that he had less time and making the necessary adjustment.
3. The offensive line and backs making the proper reads.
It was a dismal offensive performance!
If you could, it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh, and Hambone, great analysis today as well.
Right now, my view of our offence hasn't changed. We still run a simple running game with only two offensive running plays and we need to add some variety to our run attack. Our passing attack is too focused on short routes and we're not hitting the intermediate route as often as other teams. We rarely go deep and when we do it's often late in a game. Defences really know our tendancies and our offensive structure.
One thing that I did like was that we ran a wide bunch formation against Saskatchewan, something that I thought we should be using for years because it makes it more difficult for a defence to adjust to.
I really loved what defensive coordinator Etcheverry did in the game against our offence..using unbalanced defensive formations, stacks, and all kinds of innovative strategies to get to the quarterback.
I just think that our Leos have been successful in the past due to superior talent along with a disciplined football environment It's Wally and the coaching staff's strength. Our weakness is our schemes, our conservatism, and our lack of innovation. With our schemes not as good as many other teams and our talent level no longer the best, we're going to have our struggles because we are easy to scout. Teams have always been well prepared for us in the playoffs in the past, especially our offence. We may not even make the playoffs unless we can start surprising teams once in a while because we're just not going to out talent most of them offensively this season.
One good thing is that we've gotten rid of the jumbo formation at the goal line....the jumbo formation really hurt us last season as defenses stacked us hard down there and shut us down too often. Spreading it more is the wiser approach.
Wally's call on the 33 yard line to punt is just another in a long line of examples that Wally has never been a great game strategist. It's not his strength but he's won so many games in the past because his talent assessment, the work ethic of his coaching staff, team preparation, and team discipline usually overcame this deficiency.
Defensively Benevedes did some good things, scheme wise, and the defense was out on the field a lot against the Riders, not a good recipe, but they did turn the ball over and made some big plays. I also like the fact that Benevedes can get excited but he also needs to temper it by showing a little more poise on the sidelines as well.
Wally believed that personell changes were needed this season...that we needed to get younger and less complacent. Certainly he was right in that a complacency had set in during practices and things were too much like a country club for two seasons.
However, we still haven't addressed the complacency of our offensive scheme....and if we are to jell later this season we cant' just focus on the players coming together but the coaching staff also taking a good hard look at what we are trying to do.
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:04 pm
Blitz wrote: We still run a simple running game with only two offensive running plays
Our passing attack is too focused on short routes
We rarely go deep and when we do it's often late in a game
Defences really know our tendancies and our offensive structure
Leos have been successful in the past due to superior talent along with a disciplined football environment
Our weakness is our schemes, our conservatism, and our lack of innovation.
With our schemes not as good as many other teams and our talent level no longer the best, we're going to have our struggles because we are easy to scout.
Teams have always been well prepared for us in the playoffs in the past, especially our offence.
I agree with all these points.Certainly he was right in that a complacency had set in during practices and things were too much like a country club for two seasons.
Wally knows there was a problem and a need to change. The change he has initiated brings in new players (a mixed blessing). But it does not bring in a new attitude of attack. We have the same conservative attitude. And we have much the same schemes on offence. Defensively we now have the 4-2-6 which has shown some promise.
It seems to me Wally's attempt to change the culture is to go back to what has worked in the past and hammer it home harder.
................
I also think Wally gets an idea about a player (which may be unrealistic) and stays with it too long (Some would call this favoritism). I think he has done this with:
Barron Miles (past his time, too slow, not a good tackler),
Javy Glatt (not suited to MLB run stopping, misses too many makeable tackles, but better suited to OLB in the 3 LB scheme),
wasted year with Caesar Rayford (great athlete but insufficient football skills and instincts),
Rolly Lumbala (not a running back in college, a blocking back, but expected to somehow be a power running short yardage back in pro football),
Possibly with Walter Stith (the jury is out in my opinion).
Possibly with Gary Butler (the jury is out ... )
...............
He also stays with schemes past the point where opponents see the play coming:
the Jumbo formation in short yardage (over-ruling the play calling, wanting to punch it in against a stacked defence),
conservative passing attack (protect the ball, emphasize the short passing game),
run the inside zone run, and the stretch play, to the exclusion of all others
ignore the screen pass most of the time,
play prevent defence to protect a lead.
.............
It seems he wants to out-execute the opponent without utilizing deception and variety.
The league has caught up to Wally's personnel selection acumen and his once-dominant schemes. His teams no longer have superior talent, skills, and schemes. Indeed, it seems that the opponents, in their adjustments, now have the superior schemes (such as the defensive over-load tactics of Etcheverry).
................
New ball game. New reality. Every game a challenge now. The Riders didn't look all that good, just good enough to beat us on the scoreboard. Hamilton may not be a pushover either. It would be a mistake to think, OK now we have an easy game next.
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:40 pm
Blitz wrote:We’ve examined this year in and year out and we both know nothing is going to change so long as Chaps is calling the shots on offense.korey&dante4ever wrote:Are you going to do your post-game analysis the way you did last year, Blitz? I really enjoyed those and they gave great insight and they disected the game with great precision...Blitz wrote:Whenever your quarterback is getting sacked like Buck Pierce was against Regina, who used a lot of different looks, stunts, and blitzes on defense, you have to look at three things...
1. The offensive play calling and scheme
2. The quarterback recognizing that he had less time and making the necessary adjustment.
3. The offensive line and backs making the proper reads.
It was a dismal offensive performance!
If you could, it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh, and Hambone, great analysis today as well.
I can’t see Buono having the drive to go much further down the road as he is already showing great stress faults, making foolish mistakes such as not challenging on blatant fumbles and punting from their own 33-yard line. Going for two instead of taking the gimme single etcetera.
If it’s true that Wally plans on turning the team over to Benavides when he decides it time, what will happen to the Chap?
Will he become new bum buddy or find a fast rail out of town sideway on a hump.
I thought you guys needed a break from me...but I certainly could add some post-game thoughts for next game...
Right now, my view of our offence hasn't changed. We still run a simple running game with only two offensive running plays and we need to add some variety to our run attack. Our passing attack is too focused on short routes and we're not hitting the intermediate route as often as other teams. We rarely go deep and when we do it's often late in a game. Defences really know our tendancies and our offensive structure.
One thing that I did like was that we ran a wide bunch formation against Saskatchewan, something that I thought we should be using for years because it makes it more difficult for a defence to adjust to.
I really loved what defensive coordinator Etcheverry did in the game against our offence..using unbalanced defensive formations, stacks, and all kinds of innovative strategies to get to the quarterback.
I just think that our Leos have been successful in the past due to superior talent along with a disciplined football environment It's Wally and the coaching staff's strength. Our weakness is our schemes, our conservatism, and our lack of innovation. With our schemes not as good as many other teams and our talent level no longer the best, we're going to have our struggles because we are easy to scout. Teams have always been well prepared for us in the playoffs in the past, especially our offence. We may not even make the playoffs unless we can start surprising teams once in a while because we're just not going to out talent most of them offensively this season.
One good thing is that we've gotten rid of the jumbo formation at the goal line....the jumbo formation really hurt us last season as defenses stacked us hard down there and shut us down too often. Spreading it more is the wiser approach.
Wally's call on the 33 yard line to punt is just another in a long line of examples that Wally has never been a great game strategist. It's not his strength but he's won so many games in the past because his talent assessment, the work ethic of his coaching staff, team preparation, and team discipline usually overcame this deficiency.
Defensively Benevedes did some good things, scheme wise, and the defense was out on the field a lot against the Riders, not a good recipe, but they did turn the ball over and made some big plays. I also like the fact that Benevedes can get excited but he also needs to temper it by showing a little more poise on the sidelines as well.
Wally believed that personell changes were needed this season...that we needed to get younger and less complacent. Certainly he was right in that a complacency had set in during practices and things were too much like a country club for two seasons.
However, we still haven't addressed the complacency of our offensive scheme....and if we are to jell later this season we cant' just focus on the players coming together but the coaching staff also taking a good hard look at what we are trying to do.
We’ve examined this year in and year out and we both know nothing is going to change so long as Chaps is calling the shots on offense.
I can’t see Buono having the drive to go much further down the road as he is already showing great stress faults, making foolish mistakes such as not challenging on blatant fumbles and punting from their own 33-yard line. Going for two instead of taking the gimme single etcetera.
If it’s true that Wally plans on turning the team over to Benavides when he decides it's time, what will happen to the Chap? Will he become new bum buddy or find a fast rail out of town sideway on a hump?
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:25 am
Kato could use an assistant.PigSkin_53 wrote:
If it’s true that Wally plans on turning the team over to Benavides when he decides it's time, what will happen to the Chap? Will he become new bum buddy or find a fast rail out of town sideway on a hump?
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:47 am
Why is there no imagination from our offense? Why are we still stuck on the 2004’s playbook? That is what the opposition game film shows, does it not?WestCoastJoe wrote:
Wally knows there was a problem and a need to change. The change he has initiated brings in new players (a mixed blessing). But it does not bring in a new attitude of attack. We have the same conservative attitude. And we have much the same schemes on offence. Defensively we now have the 4-2-6 which has shown some promise.
It seems to me Wally's attempt to change the culture is to go back to what has worked in the past and hammer it home harder.
................
I also think Wally gets an idea about a player (which may be unrealistic) and stays with it too long (Some would call this favoritism). I think he has done this with:
Barron Miles (past his time, too slow, not a good tackler),
Javy Glatt (not suited to MLB run stopping, misses too many makeable tackles, but better suited to OLB in the 3 LB scheme),
wasted year with Caesar Rayford (great athlete but insufficient football skills and instincts),
Rolly Lumbala (not a running back in college, a blocking back, but expected to somehow be a power running short yardage back in pro football),
Possibly with Walter Stith (the jury is out in my opinion).
Possibly with Gary Butler (the jury is out ... )
...............
He also stays with schemes past the point where opponents see the play coming:
the Jumbo formation in short yardage (over-ruling the play calling, wanting to punch it in against a stacked defence),
conservative passing attack (protect the ball, emphasize the short passing game),
run the inside zone run, and the stretch play, to the exclusion of all others
ignore the screen pass most of the time,
play prevent defence to protect a lead.
.............
It seems he wants to out-execute the opponent without utilizing deception and variety.
The league has caught up to Wally's personnel selection acumen and his once-dominant schemes. His teams no longer have superior talent, skills, and schemes. Indeed, it seems that the opponents, in their adjustments, now have the superior schemes (such as the defensive over-load tactics of Etcheverry).
................
New ball game. New reality. Every game a challenge now. The Riders didn't look all that good, just good enough to beat us on the scoreboard. Hamilton may not be a pushover either. It would be a mistake to think, OK now we have an easy game next.
Wally for his stubborn dogged attitude to refuse to adapt or move on from the past, and his damnable and inexplicable loyalties to those who have proven traitorous and untrustworthy in the past.
He above all else should be the first to realize his team’s predictability has been uncovered like that of the best man, who is laying the bride the hour before she is to be wed to the groom on the day of her own wedding day, so why does he sanction it?
Why is he so unwilling to change?
If he cannot respond and adapt to the changing times then it is time for him to go and make way for someone who can, someone who is willing to turn the page and move with the times
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:19 am
Why is it that most of the posters on this board know how to counter a blitzing defense, that the o-line can't handle, with screen passes and running plays that the team can't or won't implement? Very frustrating.
I forget so someone please remind me why the Lions got rid of Kelly Bates?
I forget so someone please remind me why the Lions got rid of Kelly Bates?
Re: Post Game Thoughts
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:44 am
I could not agree with you in more than this West Coast Blue Fan.West Coast Blue Fan wrote:
After seeing Sean Whyte boom them in training camp and on the PR for the last 2 seasons, I have to question Pasquale thinking. Usually WB is spot on when players are getting long in the tooth, but McCallum seems to be the exception. I love PM, and I realize kickers are an anomaly when it comes to age.....but this kid deserves his shot before we lose him.
You've nailed it right in the red ink.
I'm thinking that after the O'Mahony episodes Pasquale is gun shy and does not want to get stuck with a rookie head case again.
I realize there is no similarities between the two, but that doesn't get around his fobia over place kickers...
What other reason could there be?