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West Coast Blue Fan wrote:I guess if Auggi Barrenechea doesn't get suspended for a deliberate helmet to helmet, then Murph shouldn't be either for pancaking.

The Esks have already set the bar high for injured players being miraculously healed.....Mike something or other....so lets just leave it at that.

Honestly, I don't think this is that big of a deal. I've seen worse and Murph has done worse as well. Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

Boy, you should check out the cfl.ca forums...they are all over this as an extremely dirty play...

hwgill wrote:Boy, you should check out the cfl.ca forums...they are all over this as an extremely dirty play...

It's amazing how this myth got started. The Lions O line became the best in the league, the riders thought their duty to knock 'em off and when they couldn't do it... they cryed dirty. Man I'm getting sick of these fans and this *poop*. How many eyeballs get close to being gouged out in a game or season and their *beeotch* and whining about a good pin??

These clowns are just like the flamer fans the ones who hated Burtuzzi and would never cheer him... well lo and behold I hear they cheer almost as loud for him as Iggy now... hypocrites.

And it's funny how it's Eskimo players that have been accused of the eye gouging (Braidwood/Goss) both times. Is THAT what they're being taught? SM and I had a discussion last night about this. Back in the "Dr. Death" days of the Eskimos, they used to be able to intimidate players, and everyone used to think THEY were dirty. Now that they can't do that anymore, everyone else is dirty. Their motto "Let them hate, so long as they fear"? Well, no one fears them anymore.

hwgill wrote:Boy, you should check out the cfl.ca forums...they are all over this as an extremely dirty play...

Interestingly enough a lot of the posters on these forums are fans of the same team. It appears the leemings leaders have mounted a campaign against Murphy in the hopes it will somehow help their team ( we even had one on here). Until they hold their own team to the same standard they demand from us, I suggest everyone just ignore them.

Lionheart wrote:
It's amazing how this myth got started. The Lions O line became the best in the league, the riders thought their duty to knock 'em off and when they couldn't do it... they cryed dirty. Man I'm getting sick of these fans and this *poop*. How many eyeballs get close to being gouged out in a game or season and their *beeotch* and whining about a good pin??

I think part of the issue with regard to that area is that it is a point of contention in the rule book that such pinning is illegal this year.

CFL.ca -> more -> 2008 rule book -> points of emphasis: "holding"

After an opponent has been pushed down or fallen upon by a blocker, he must not be prevented from rising from the ground.

What some people are more angry about is that this incident was a textbook example of such pinning, which Murphy is somewhat known for, and two officials were looking right at the play - and no flags were thrown until Romero came in.

I hope that Murphy (or anyone else - Kabongo got flagged for it earlier this year, come to think of it) gets called on this if it happens again, because it's a penalty.

Anyone remember Ron Achison of the Riders and his infamous cast ?

TheLionKing wrote:Anyone remember Ron Achison of the Riders and his infamous cast ?

Yup. Wayne Smith was pretty good with his in 1973, too. 8)

gizmo fan 2 wrote: CFL.ca -> more -> 2008 rule book -> points of emphasis: "holding"

After an opponent has been pushed down or fallen upon by a blocker, he must not be prevented from rising from the ground.

What some people are more angry about is that this incident was a textbook example of such pinning, which Murphy is somewhat known for, and two officials were looking right at the play - and no flags were thrown until Romero came in.

I hope that Murphy (or anyone else - Kabongo got flagged for it earlier this year, come to think of it) gets called on this if it happens again, because it's a penalty.

And I hope that anyone "taking a breather" on the field to allow their D to rest gets flagged for delay of game (that game went way over the bounds of decent time) and allows the game to finish at a decent hour, but I digress.

Seems to me your complaint is with Higgins, not Murph. Then again, he let Barranachea lay out Kevin Glenn with a helmet to helmet hit, and did nothing, just as the League is famous for ignoring say...the helmet to helmet hits on Clermont, Pierce, and DD a while back.

As I've said 20 times, it depends on whose ox is being gored. You guys had no problem with Trey Young deliberately attempting to injure Pierce last year, and that's because it wasn't your ox.

Now it is. And all the righteous indignation and gnashing of teeth won't change the fact the officials won't enforce the rules at times.

gizmo fan 2 wrote:

Lionheart wrote:
It's amazing how this myth got started. The Lions O line became the best in the league, the riders thought their duty to knock 'em off and when they couldn't do it... they cryed dirty. Man I'm getting sick of these fans and this *poop*. How many eyeballs get close to being gouged out in a game or season and their *beeotch* and whining about a good pin??

I think part of the issue with regard to that area is that it is a point of contention in the rule book that such pinning is illegal this year.

CFL.ca -> more -> 2008 rule book -> points of emphasis: "holding"

After an opponent has been pushed down or fallen upon by a blocker, he must not be prevented from rising from the ground.

What some people are more angry about is that this incident was a textbook example of such pinning, which Murphy is somewhat known for, and two officials were looking right at the play - and no flags were thrown until Romero came in.

I hope that Murphy (or anyone else - Kabongo got flagged for it earlier this year, come to think of it) gets called on this if it happens again, because it's a penalty.

If he is holding the player down I agree, however laying him out while just remaining on top of him isn't going to get called ever. Just watch the replay of the Murphy pin, two refs both viewing it and he didn't get called for it. Now if you ask me if I think it should be a penalty, yes I do, but as it stands now, pancaking and pinning an opponent isn't called unless you are physically holding/grabbing him down.

Murphy is a serial pan caker. That we all agree on. That the Esks team made a big deal says more about the sissy boy running their team than anything else. Usually something like that will be forgotten after a game or brought up quietly with game officials. However with a whole lot of shaking and faking going on along with the melee, the league had to do something. Murphy knows exactly what he is doing when he does that - make no mistake. He is not like hockey's Chris Simon. Anyone reading too much into Murphy's claim of amnesia is doing just that - reading too much into it. Of course, he is not about to convict himself in the media.

As a guy who has been received a few sendings off as a head coach, I know how important contrition is in avoiding heavier fines. I got tossed when we were robbed in a game where the ref awarded a penalty to give this team its only win in the year 1-0 for a penalty they got for tripping my defender in the box and my guy had the ball. We were the top team that year and got promoted to Premier!!! They got relegated. Two other coaches got tossed that weekend in other games one was a very famous former pro soccer player. Those coaches were so angry they elected to go and present their case to the disciplinary board. I instead sucked up to the league president who commiserated with our result and me and who presented the facts as known to the board and attested to my fine character - just before he left town with a few hundred thousand dollars of the league's funds. . My fine $150 and no suspension. Other guys were $400 and 2 games and $500 and 4 games! They argued. I begged for mercy! Subsequent to that they changed their rules so coaches just get fines - no suspension. Everyone was shocked. My version: for my kind of coaching $150 fine and no games suspension. My point is that it does a player a whole lot of harm to mouth off to the media and get into explicit detail. It is better to work within the rules. Hey, there is also a time to go and present. I did that too a subsequent time. I didn't get tossed often but I acted as the safety valve for my players. My teams had good reps for discipline but not me. But what some refs lost sight of was that it was because I'd do the screaming and complaining if needed - they just play or they come and sit on the bench with me.

I am not with the print guys on this one in their characterization of the Murphy pan caking. Reading them and seeing some fans with their versions, you'd think that Murphy did a Bertuzzi or a Simon or Hollweg on the guy. I still think there is a preponderance of evidence that embellishment of the alleged injury by the player and their sissy head coach had more to do with getting the fine than the actual pan caking and any handiwork of Rob Murphy.

Barranachea was a clear case where the CFL should have banished this guy. Instead you get the Suitors on national TV justifying the hit. That to me is shocking. These commentators forget that this is not within the rules and no one in the CFL is paid high enough to justify a head shot. Suitor claims he is not a dirty player. Who cares! What he did in the one act justified a suspension. That is how to send a message to clean that stuff up. Glenn looked affected in his next game from that hit. Now that did he send him to la la land.

All hype for the rematch?

Murphy is awesome. Haha, he can lay on whomever he wants as far as im concerned. I dont care if someone poked him in the eye lol, tho thats pretty gay of that guy to do if he did it. As far as complaining is concerned, the only guy i see with a reason is cam wake.....he drew 3 holding calls, tho i counted 11. Tho i dont think i've heard him say a peep. I hope that his class rubs off a little on some of his more "vocal" teammates.

Solar Max wrote:

gizmo fan 2 wrote: CFL.ca -> more -> 2008 rule book -> points of emphasis: "holding"

After an opponent has been pushed down or fallen upon by a blocker, he must not be prevented from rising from the ground.

What some people are more angry about is that this incident was a textbook example of such pinning, which Murphy is somewhat known for, and two officials were looking right at the play - and no flags were thrown until Romero came in.

I hope that Murphy (or anyone else - Kabongo got flagged for it earlier this year, come to think of it) gets called on this if it happens again, because it's a penalty.

And I hope that anyone "taking a breather" on the field to allow their D to rest gets flagged for delay of game (that game went way over the bounds of decent time) and allows the game to finish at a decent hour, but I digress.

Seems to me your complaint is with Higgins, not Murph. Then again, he let Barranachea lay out Kevin Glenn with a helmet to helmet hit, and did nothing, just as the League is famous for ignoring say...the helmet to helmet hits on Clermont, Pierce, and DD a while back.

As I've said 20 times, it depends on whose ox is being gored. You guys had no problem with Trey Young deliberately attempting to injure Pierce last year, and that's because it wasn't your ox.

Now it is. And all the righteous indignation and gnashing of teeth won't change the fact the officials won't enforce the rules at times.

I didn't particularly like the, er, injuries, either, to be honest. Underhanded, yes - but potentially physically harmful, no.

True, my beef is partially with Higgins and the refs. But I don't like Murphy splayed on top of a 5'10'' 183-pound DB who he outweighs by three digits, especially when Goss is trying to get up. Braidwood, that's different, the size difference is minimal and AB can take care of himself much better. Goss is not a lineman for a reason - he's not as big as they are.

Hey, you want to talk about helmet-to-helmet hits...we lost our best receiver of the century FOREVER because of one of those. I thought Augie should've been suspended, was a bit surprised when he wasn't, just like this situation.

Who's "you guys"? Trey Young wasn't on my team last year, and I have no idea which incident you're talking about. Don't imply I don't care because I wasn't aware of the situation...for example, a couple people over at Esksfans have been quite vocal about helmet-to-helmets, using Clermont and co. as prime examples, and I agree with them.

Nobody wants to see anybody hurt...especially outside the rules of the game.