Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 8:59 pm
by DanoT
OV:54-40 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 7:22 pm
The Al bot weighs in on Nathan - interestin' and funny stuff.
Wonder if the Al bot has any comprehension of how former star CFL QBs have done with real playing time in the NFL: Joe Theissmann, Warren Moon, Dieter Brock, Jeff Garcia ?
Nathan's CFL resume is of course vastly inferior to any and all big Div I program NFL draft pick QB saviors. Any bot can grasp this.
Its not just the AI bots that think high draft pick Div 1 QBs are superior, it is the NFL talent evaluators who think that as well.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
OV:54-40 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 7:22 pm
The Al bot weighs in on Nathan - interestin' and funny stuff.
Wonder if the Al bot has any comprehension of how former star CFL QBs have done with real playing time in the NFL: Joe Theissmann, Warren Moon, Dieter Brock, Jeff Garcia ?
Nathan's CFL resume is of course vastly inferior to any and all big Div I program NFL draft pick QB saviors. Any bot can grasp this.
Its not just the AI bots that think high draft pick Div 1 QBs are superior, it is the NFL talent evaluators who think that as well.
Oh for sure; and inscrutable geniuses everyone of them; any QB expert would take Ryan Leaf over Warren Moon every time.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 7:43 am
by DanoT
Warren Moon is not a good example because it was not so much a lack of talent evaluation it was a racist attitude at the time that was a strike against black QBs in the NFL. You could say that at the time it was a belief among many that the black QBs could not command the respect and leadership that a QB needed...still racist, though.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 8:06 am
by OV:54-40
DanoT wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 7:43 am
Warren Moon is not a good example because it was not so much a lack of talent evaluation it was a racist attitude at the time that was a strike against black QBs in the NFL. You could say that at the time it was a belief among many that the black QBs could not command the respect and leadership that a QB needed...still racist, though.
Substitute Jeff Garcia for Moon then.
And kinda interesting how a similar dismissive, ignorant attitude towards Canadian QBs (especially U Sports trained ones) still exists in the CFL - maybe as strong as ever; yet the NFL has long lost their bias & prejudice towards black QBs - which was racist and ugly; but the CFL's version can be excused because it's not based on something as pernicious as racism; just a kind of xenophobia ?
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Well, it will be interesting to see if he clears waivers. If he does, then likely he will be released. Can't see too much interest this soon after the draft has been completed. If he runs out of options, he would be a free agent for CFL teams.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 8:46 am
by cromartie
squishy35 wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 7:40 am
Can't see too much interest this soon after the draft has been completed. If he runs out of options, he would be a free agent for CFL teams.
Hamilton, Montreal or Ottawa?
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 9:14 am
by don corleone
cromartie wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:46 am
Hamilton, Montreal or Ottawa?
You forgot to mention the other six teams. I believe every team would be in given the opportunity.
Is Rourke exempt from being added to a neg list?
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Well, it will be interesting to see if he clears waivers. If he does, then likely he will be released. Can't see too much interest this soon after the draft has been completed. If he runs out of options, he would be a free agent for CFL teams.
I've been going thru the rosters, UDFA signings and mini-camp invitees for all NFL clubs. 16 QBs were signed to UDFA deals and another 12 landed mini-camp invites. I come up with 4 teams who could have interest.
One team quickly jumps out as having possible interest and that is the Carolina Panthers. Currently they list last year's 1st overall pick Bryce Young followed by 36 year old Andy Dalton who's on the final year of a 2 year deal and UDFA signing Jack Plummer. They can do with another QB for camp and also should be looking at someone to compete with Dalton or at least be ready to take over as #2 in 2025.
The Rams could have interest too. They have 36 year old Matthew Stafford followed by Jimmy Garopollo (on a 1 year deal) and two 2nd year players in 5'11 190 Stetson Bennett and Dresser Winn, like Rourke a 2023 UDFA signing.
49ers have Brock Purdy followed by vets Josh Dobbs and Brandon Allen who joined the 49ers (his 5th team) for 2023 but never played a snap, Dobbs and Allen are on one year deals. They also have mini-camp invitee Mitch Davidson of Youngstown State.
Down I-5 the Seahawks have 33 year old Geno Smith and dealt for 23 year old Sam Howell who had some decent moments in Washington. Who knows how Smith will fare with the new regime. Beyond those two they have UDFA signing Chevron Cordeiro and mini-camp invitees Kory Curtis and Tua Tagovailoa's kid brother Taulia.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 11:30 am
by David
I feel badly for Rourke. Probablly has more talent than half the starters in the NFL (he engineered 5 TD drives on 9 drives in preseason for the Jags). I believe he was given bad advice, going into a situation with Trevor Lawrence as the franchise QB and Beathard the established #2 (it probably should have been someone like the NY Giants or Las Vegas Raiders).
Getting waived in May is not ideal. As attractive as he is for the CFL, the rosters are largely set. How does a club clear $600K in cap space now? But all of that is likely moot as I do see him holding out for an NFL club to sign him, making this his last shot for now.
DH
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:06 pm
by don corleone
I agree Rourke is likely to stick to the NFL for now.
Alternatively he could be taking snaps and making new film in a months time vs waiting for a chance to be a backup. CFL money's not that bad. Life is short. Playing careers are shorter.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:09 pm
by Hambone
David wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 11:30 am
I feel badly for Rourke. Probablly has more talent than half the starters in the NFL (he engineered 5 TD drives on 9 drives in preseason for the Jags). I believe he was given bad advice, going into a situation with Trevor Lawrence as the franchise QB and Beathard the established #2 (it probably should have been someone like the NY Giants or Las Vegas Raiders).
Getting waived in May is not ideal. As attractive as he is for the CFL, the rosters are largely set. How does a club clear $600K in cap space now? But all of that is likely moot as I do see him holding out for an NFL club to sign him, making this his last shot for now.
DH
Getting waived in May may not be ideal but better than June, July or August. Since he signed in Jacksonville he's had little control over his NFL lot. Until NE waived him today they had total control over his rights. The reality is at the end of the season he automatically became an ERFA. NE didn't have to offer him a new contract until March. As most teams would do to protect their assets the Pats did tender him that offer probably to buy them time to see what happened in the draft and beyond. While it was a lock they'd take QB at #3 it was a surprise they'd take another later in the draft. Whether that 2nd QB was a draft priority or they thought Milton had too much promise to pass on in the 6th only the Pats know for sure. That made one of Rourke or Zappe expendable.
I think that outside of NE not tendering him an ERFA offer allowing him to become a FA back on March 13th this is the next best time to become a FA. A lot of teams who might feel good about their #1 and #2 might look at Rourke as an upgrade on their UDFA signings and mini-camp invitees. Many teams might look at him as being a strong competitor for their #3 spot. Best thing going for him is while rookie mini-camps are mostly over but main mini-camps are still to happen. After assessing rookie mini-camp performances some teams might find themselves looking to upgrade on the lower part of their depth charts.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Well, it will be interesting to see if he clears waivers. If he does, then likely he will be released. Can't see too much interest this soon after the draft has been completed. If he runs out of options, he would be a free agent for CFL teams.
I've been going thru the rosters, UDFA signings and mini-camp invitees for all NFL clubs. 16 QBs were signed to UDFA deals and another 12 landed mini-camp invites. I come up with 4 teams who could have interest.
One team quickly jumps out as having possible interest and that is the Carolina Panthers. Currently they list last year's 1st overall pick Bryce Young followed by 36 year old Andy Dalton who's on the final year of a 2 year deal and UDFA signing Jack Plummer. They can do with another QB for camp and also should be looking at someone to compete with Dalton or at least be ready to take over as #2 in 2025.
The Rams could have interest too. They have 36 year old Matthew Stafford followed by Jimmy Garopollo (on a 1 year deal) and two 2nd year players in 5'11 190 Stetson Bennett and Dresser Winn, like Rourke a 2023 UDFA signing.
49ers have Brock Purdy followed by vets Josh Dobbs and Brandon Allen who joined the 49ers (his 5th team) for 2023 but never played a snap, Dobbs and Allen are on one year deals. They also have mini-camp invitee Mitch Davidson of Youngstown State.
Down I-5 the Seahawks have 33 year old Geno Smith and dealt for 23 year old Sam Howell who had some decent moments in Washington. Who knows how Smith will fare with the new regime. Beyond those two they have UDFA signing Chevron Cordeiro and mini-camp invitees Kory Curtis and Tua Tagovailoa's kid brother Taulia.
I feel bad for Nathan Rourke but he's in it for the long haul it seems and we may hear a lot of these twists and turns than actual very good news.
Any comparisons of Nathan Rourke to CFL QBs going south like Moon or Garcia aren't warranted as both these two played in the CFL a lot longer and Moon was wanted by Hugh Campbell IIRC. The only short term CFL QB I can think would be Casey Printers.
Good analysis of teams that Rourke might have a chance with.
Seahawks also added this QB as UDFA signing who may not the arm consistency that Rourke has.
The Seahawks announced 16 undrafted free agent signings as they kicked off their rookie minicamp on Friday. Quarterback Chevan Cordeiro is among the players who are joining the team. Cordeiro started 25 games for San Jose State over the last two years and he also started 23 games at Hawaii before transferring.
San Jose State quarterback Chevan Cordeiro, the Mountain West Conference's all-time leader in total touchdowns, total yards and completions
Cordeiro is not as polished as Rourke as a passer. His NFL draft film:
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 1:42 pm
by Toppy Vann
How about these teams for Rourke:
1. New York Giants: The Giants have a need for a developmental quarterback behind Daniel Jones. Rourke could learn from Jones and compete for the backup role.
2. Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks have Geno Smith and Drew Lock as their top two quarterbacks, but neither has proven to be a long-term solution. Rourke could provide competition and potentially develop into a starter in the future.
3. Washington Commanders: The Commanders have Carson Wentz as their starting quarterback, but he has a history of injuries and inconsistent play. Rourke could provide depth and potentially compete for the starting job.
4. Atlanta Falcons: The Falcons have Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ridder as their quarterbacks, but both are relatively unproven. Rourke could add depth and competition to the position.
5. Indianapolis Colts: The Colts have Matt Ryan as their starting quarterback, but he is 37 years old and may not have much time left. Rourke could be groomed as his eventual successor.
These are just a few potential fits for Nathan Rourke, but ultimately, the best team for him will depend on his individual development and the specific needs and circumstances of each team.
Re: NFL road rocky for Rourke after Patriots draft QB
squishy35 wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 7:40 am
Can't see too much interest this soon after the draft has been completed. If he runs out of options, he would be a free agent for CFL teams.
Hamilton, Montreal or Ottawa?
The only teams that are set at QB for the foreseeable future are BC, Winnipeg and maybe Montreal (and Toronto, if they can put Kelly's harrassment case behind him). Harris, Bethel-Thompson and Mitchell don't have much of a future, Maier isn't convincing anyone beside Dickenson, and Ottawa is full of question marks as usual. He could drop right into starting position with half a dozen teams in the league.
