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Well, I loved the confidence Wally showed in Lulay this week, that will pay dividends as the season rolls along as they gave Travis the opportunity to be "the guy" and he did not wilt under that sort of pressure, 3 different series they showed tremendous confidence in Travis Lulay, 2 2 pt conversion attempts and the final drive when he was airing it out.

I do disagree with the thinking behind the deep passes on the final series, but love that Travis is not afraid to take shots down the field when it matters.
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I have no idea what kind of drugs you guys are smoking on the 2 pt. conversion tries. Wally adhered to the traditional rule in re 2 pt. conversions, which is, you never try them until the start of the fourth quarter. Once the fourth quarter begins, you try them as appropriate according to the chart, and he used them as appropriate.

Both 2 pt. conversion calls were correct, and both featured dropped catches. Not much you can do there.

The ice the kicker call should never happen in the CFL because you have only one time out. An incredibly boneheaded decision on the coaching staff's part.

As was the 57 yard FG attempt. This is the CFL, where you can drop kick a field goal attempt on the run. You mean to tell me there isn't someone on the roster that can try that play? Really?

As an aside, I'm going to give JC a pass on one thing. On that last series, Lulay attempted a long pass to Geroy on 1st down. I seriously doubt that was the play call. Lulay has too much moxy for his own good, something that he'll work out of his system as he learns to play within himself and that play was an example of it.

But the line O Line play is much better.

What I would be concerned about is a trend I think we'll notice more of, because it plagued us two years ago: on 2nd and long, Calgyra audibled into a run, for which our Dime package was ill prepared, resulting in significant gains. That needs to be fixed, or teams are going to run all over us.
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cromartie wrote:I have no idea what kind of drugs you guys are smoking on the 2 pt. conversion tries. Wally adhered to the traditional rule in re 2 pt. conversions, which is, you never try them until the start of the fourth quarter. Once the fourth quarter begins, you try them as appropriate according to the chart, and he used them as appropriate.

Both 2 pt. conversion calls were correct, and both featured dropped catches. Not much you can do there.
That's an American rule. Don't try it in the CFL. It will come back and bite you. There are too many ways to score, including punt singles, and to stop the clock.

Yes, if Robertson makes the catch this argument would be moot but the Lions don't have a good success rate with two-point tries. It was still the wrong call. Each time had four possessions after the Lions' first failed two-point try. Calgary scored two field goals and turned the ball over twice.

In the CFL, the rule is to take the single point when you can get it unless you don't expect to get another good opportunity to score. One point could be the key to the game. In this case, it was.
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B.C.FAN wrote:
cromartie wrote:I have no idea what kind of drugs you guys are smoking on the 2 pt. conversion tries. Wally adhered to the traditional rule in re 2 pt. conversions, which is, you never try them until the start of the fourth quarter. Once the fourth quarter begins, you try them as appropriate according to the chart, and he used them as appropriate.

Both 2 pt. conversion calls were correct, and both featured dropped catches. Not much you can do there.
That's an American rule. Don't try it in the CFL. It will come back and bite you. There are too many ways to score, including punt singles, and to stop the clock.

Yes, if Robertson makes the catch this argument would be moot but the Lions don't have a good success rate with two-point tries. It was still the wrong call. Each time had four possessions after the Lions' first failed two-point try. Calgary scored two field goals and turned the ball over twice.

In the CFL, the rule is to take the single point when you can get it unless you don't expect to get another good opportunity to score. One point could be the key to the game. In this case, it was.
I agree with you, in the CFL you wait until the game becomes a two possession situation for you left and then consider it.

However after watching our two pt attemtps, I will take back my comments on going for the win in Montreal with a TD and then trying the two pt conversion, the receivers need to be able to handle the pressure in order to catch the ball.
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jcalhoun wrote:Hey all,

So Wally screwed the pooch last week with his blown call and apologized to the team.

T

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One thing should be made clear. Wally DID NOT apologize for the call. He tried to explain it, said in hindsight it was probably the wrong call, but never apologized.
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jcalhoun wrote:Hey all,

So Wally screwed the pooch last week with his blown call and apologized to the team.

T

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One thing should be made clear. Wally DID NOT apologize for the call. He tried to explain it, said in hindsight it was probably the wrong call, but never apologized.
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jcalhoun wrote:Hey all,

So Wally screwed the pooch last week with his blown call and apologized to the team.

T

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One thing should be made clear. Wally DID NOT apologize for the call. He tried to explain it, said in hindsight it was probably the wrong call, but never apologized.
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Pure Genius on making a point....↑↑↑
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joe kapp22 wrote: ...
Last Week I thought the Al's out played us, this week, I think we beat ourselves, just to many missed opportunities, they were practically trying to give us the game and of course, we dropped it.
that has been the big frustration of attending games at Empire. You pay money to watch the Lions beat themselves and then hear everyones opinion about how the game went who was able to watch it at home on TV. I'm going to pay money to go watch at the Stadium but how many will?
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B.C.FAN wrote:
cromartie wrote:I have no idea what kind of drugs you guys are smoking on the 2 pt. conversion tries. Wally adhered to the traditional rule in re 2 pt. conversions, which is, you never try them until the start of the fourth quarter. Once the fourth quarter begins, you try them as appropriate according to the chart, and he used them as appropriate.

Both 2 pt. conversion calls were correct, and both featured dropped catches. Not much you can do there.
That's an American rule. Don't try it in the CFL. It will come back and bite you. There are too many ways to score, including punt singles, and to stop the clock.

Yes, if Robertson makes the catch this argument would be moot but the Lions don't have a good success rate with two-point tries. It was still the wrong call. Each time had four possessions after the Lions' first failed two-point try. Calgary scored two field goals and turned the ball over twice.

In the CFL, the rule is to take the single point when you can get it unless you don't expect to get another good opportunity to score. One point could be the key to the game. In this case, it was.
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This thread title gives you a good laugh after a game that could have been won was lost so poorly. I keep laughing each time I see the title of it. Nice one JC and I mean this sincerely.

Thanks also to the poster who notes that Wally actually didn't apologize. Too funny.

I have no issue with the first two point attempt as a a FG still going to do it. In retrospect after the next TD a single would have done it if both kicks were OK.

The time out call to "ice" the K was laughable, silly and just plain boneheaded. Make him kick it quick and not settled, not give him time to gather himself.
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Sure fooled John Hufnagel and the Stamps. :wink: :wink:
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jcalhoun wrote:I don't know what the percentage is on a 2-point convert in the CFL, but Wikipedia (which is always 100% accurate) suggests it is somewhere between 40-55%. I can't find the stats for the Lions since the restoration of King Jacques, but I'm willing to bet that the Leos are significantly below the league average on two-pointers.
I don't know the percentage across the league but successful two-point converts are rare in the CFL. There were only 11 last year. The Lions had one. Calgary and Edmonton didn't have any.
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It can't be that hard, it's only a five yard play.
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