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From Lowell Ullrich's report at TC ...
"It can be difficult to an organization that wants to make productive decisions to bring in a 32-year old guy coming off a ruptured Achilles who also carries a pretty decent contract," he said.

So, in one regard, the B.C. Lions stood alone Monday and began what likely could become the final test of a solid career. They put the former Edmonton Eskimos receiver through a physical, asked him questions and will test him further today. If satisfied they will register a CFL contract. An offence that is in clear need of answers will have one more receiving option.
It seems evident that if his health is up to it, he would help our depth and experience in the receiving corps.
Buono envisions a scenario where both Peterson and Jackson are on the roster. Potential teammates envision more, as there is added value to a player who not only might instantly become the number two receiver but the second-best quote on the Lions behind Angus Reid.

"You see these receivers? They're all 12 years old," said Geroy Simon. "I'm not saying the young guys can't do it but Kamau's been in the fire. You don't have to be the face of the franchise, but having him would be a definite benefit for us, especially in the locker-room."
If Kamau plays for us, I will be very disappointed if it means zero reps for our young receivers. It seems to me Wally takes the idea of letting the young non imports develop slowly way too far. IMO they wither and die on the vine.
Periodically at Lions training camp in Kamloops we'll look at some of the position battles underway for spots on the 46-man roster. Today: Offensive line.

You wouldn't think a position group that was so unstable last year has moulded, but it's the Lions belief. Having saved face by restoring Angus Reid at centre last year, the Lions have slotted Jon Hameister-Ries and Jesse Newman on either side and imports Ben Archibald and Jovan Olafioye as tackles. The guards may change but based on Monday's one-on-one drills where Olafioye dominated, he isn't going anywhere.

The battles are mostly for backup spots. The Lions will need to carry one import, which will be either Dane Randolph or fellow returning sophomore Nick Hennessey. There's likely only two other backup non-import roster spots left and little likelihood Justin Sorensen, Andrew Jones or Dean Valli would accept a practice roster position better suited for draft picks Adam Baboulas or Yannick Sage.
That is good news about Olafioye.

In regard to our non imports, I would say Dan Dorazio has been given every opportunity to fill the cupboard with talent. And now from that boatload of talent, it seems we will have to let some of it go, for free. Valli, Sorensen, Jones, Baboulas and Sage. No room in the Inn for all those guys.

Meanwhile we are desperately thin in NI talent in the D Line. That might not matter so much if we stay with the 3-4 defence. Some of us have speculated if Andrew Jones could or would be moved back to his college position, D Line.
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ed_lunsford wrote:etc.

As for the O, am I the only one who was less then thrilled with hearing that Jacques C was going back to handsignals?

Now a joke could be made about it making sense as the offence is from the pre radios in helmet era as well.... :wink:
Jacques Chapdelaine overheard at training camp:

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Team 1410 notes so far:

Andrew Jones has moved in at RG and Jesse Newman has moved into the second group

Dobson Collins is being talked up

Rolly Lumbala spoke about Huddle for Haiti

Jacques explained the hand signals deal mentioning the pause in the transmit function being on a delay so with hand signals they can speed things up.

Is there really a product called "Dry Balls"?
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ed_lunsford wrote:Team 1410 notes so far:

Andrew Jones has moved in at RG and Jesse Newman has moved into the second group

Dobson Collins is being talked up

Rolly Lumbala spoke about Huddle for Haiti

Jacques explained the hand signals deal mentioning the pause in the transmit function being on a delay so with hand signals they can speed things up.

Is there really a product called "Dry Balls"?
Re Jones and Newman ...

Is that a re-evaluation, a change on the depth chart, or just TC rotation? For myself, I saw no evidence last year that Newman should be a lock to start. Still seems like a bit of a flake to me.

Wally explaining the hand signals decision? Ha ha No way his PR guy reads our blogs, right? Nah ... Well the issue might not go away all that easily. Poor old Jacques. Very much under the microscope. And as Wally has said, the coaches got a Mulligan for last year from the owner, or from Wally himself. Not likely to be any Mulligans this year if the team underwhelms.
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WestCoastJoe wrote:
ed_lunsford wrote:Team 1410 notes so far:

Andrew Jones has moved in at RG and Jesse Newman has moved into the second group

Dobson Collins is being talked up

Rolly Lumbala spoke about Huddle for Haiti

Jacques explained the hand signals deal mentioning the pause in the transmit function being on a delay so with hand signals they can speed things up.

Is there really a product called "Dry Balls"?
Re Jones and Newman ...

Is that a re-evaluation, a change on the depth chart, or just TC rotation? For myself, I saw no evidence last year that Newman should be a lock to start. Still seems like a bit of a flake to me.

Wally explaining the hand signals decision? Ha ha No way his PR guy reads our blogs, right? Nah ... Well the issue might not go away all that easily. Poor old Jacques. Very much under the microscope. And as Wally has said, the coaches got a Mulligan for last year from the owner, or from Wally himself. Not likely to be any Mulligans this year if the team underwhelms.
Jacque had to run it by Wally to be sure..

Interesting new wrinkle, Braley shelled out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a state of the art video system that burns DVD's, the coaches now have 3 dimensional views of every practice rep.
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Jack Chaps was explaining to Gulio Caravatta on 1410 this afternoon his decision to go back to hand signals. Says the CFL has a delay from the time the play is blown dead to when they open the headphones. By that time Chaps could have signalled in the next play and use the time available before the headphones are turned off to talk to the quarterback reminding him what to look for etc.
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korey&dante4ever wrote:Well, I saw the release of the first casualties of camp and it needed a thread to go into.. So here it is, the 2011 training camp thread..

3 players released:
QB Kevin Riley (6'3, 215)
WR Chris McClover (6'4", 208)
LB Ronnie McCullough (5'10", 220)

All imports.. It's sad that they make the trip out here and are gone after a few days.. It's the reality of the situation, however.
Damn. I was just watching youtube videos of Riley the other night, trying to get a feel for what kind of QB he is. Too bad it didn't work out.
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WestCoastJoe wrote:
ed_lunsford wrote:Team 1410 notes so far:

Andrew Jones has moved in at RG and Jesse Newman has moved into the second group

Dobson Collins is being talked up

Rolly Lumbala spoke about Huddle for Haiti

Jacques explained the hand signals deal mentioning the pause in the transmit function being on a delay so with hand signals they can speed things up.

Is there really a product called "Dry Balls"?
Re Jones and Newman ...

Is that a re-evaluation, a change on the depth chart, or just TC rotation? For myself, I saw no evidence last year that Newman should be a lock to start. Still seems like a bit of a flake to me.

Wally explaining the hand signals decision? Ha ha No way his PR guy reads our blogs, right? Nah ... Well the issue might not go away all that easily. Poor old Jacques. Very much under the microscope. And as Wally has said, the coaches got a Mulligan for last year from the owner, or from Wally himself. Not likely to be any Mulligans this year if the team underwhelms.
Interesting about Jones moving past Newman at RG. I heard the talk about Dobson Collins. Sounded like he's leaning on Geroy for help when needed. Couldn't find a better guy to learn from in TC. I hope he turns out. Our receiving core could use the help.

A dominant Olafioye is music to my ears. The words "dominant" and "Lion offensive lineman" haven't been used together much in the last seven or eight years.
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Interesting on Andrew Jones already moving ahead of Newman to the starting unit. Hats off to WC Joe who has never been a huge fan of Newman since his arrival (I just don't pay too much attention to the o-lineman when I do make it out to practice). I just thought Newman's resumé was too impressive to ignore. How often does a true rookie Canadian start on the o-line for a first place team? He must have been doing something right in Calgary that Dorazio and Wally have yet to see here yet.

Wally also had this to say about Olafioye in LU's story this morning.
Overlooked once by the greatest football league on the globe, the same mistake won’t be made twice if Elimimian repeats his rookie season, though the can’t-miss NFL project in the eyes of Lions coach/GM Wally Buono is 23-year-old right tackle Jovan Olafioye.

“Let’s be honest, we’re not going to see [Olafioye] next year,” said Buono, who had brief, off-season contract talks with both players.

Elimimian knows the path he may choose to explore using his option-year clause this winter is the same one which has receiver Emmanuel Arceneaux in limbo waiting for his NFL opportunity. The linebacker is anything but possessed by the notion, however.

“Please don’t ask,” he said, when asked about his future, so as to focus on picking up where he left off last season, when he had 66 tackles in his last 11 games.

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That's a Wakeish like compliment. Maybe we can bring back Joe McGrath next season? :roar: It would be sad to see Solo come and go too. I know it's the nature of the business in a tier II league but really hard to market your team when your young stars keep coming and going.
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SammyGreene wrote:Interesting on Andrew Jones already moving ahead of Newman to the starting unit. Hats off to WC Joe who has never been a huge fan of Newman since his arrival (I just don't pay too much attention to the o-lineman when I do make it out to practice). I just thought Newman's resumé was too impressive to ignore. How often does a true rookie Canadian start on the o-line for a first place team? He must have been doing something right in Calgary that Dorazio and Wally have yet to see here yet.
I have no complaint about Jesse Newman. I was happy we were able to pick him up.

But I never thought he was superior to Andrew Jones or even Dean Valli. I thought JonHR was the best of all those guys.

To me, Newman does not look all that physically imposing. He looks smaller than listed. There is also the business of his not showing up for the Stampeders Training Camp. One has to wonder about the depth of his motivation, his commitment to football.

Still I am glad to have him in the mix for a spot on our O Line. :thup:
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DB Marquez Hill was waived today per LU.

As for losing guys, for me the way I see it the same System that found them can find other talented players as well, how man "Fmr Lions" are starting all over the league as it is?

Let alone going South, to me what does hurt would be to lose a Qb down South, they are tough to replace as it is, to lose one early can cripple a team for a couple of years.

As for Newman, I like his game, and am not a particular fan of Dean Valli as to me the man keeps having opportunities handed to him and he has not made good on them and sooner or later, that becomes a "sign".
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LOL - delay in being able to get the play in. There should be a delay. QB runs the ball in a scramble gets hit, gets up and now JC wants to give him the signal!!??? Let the QB gather his thoughts on down and yardage and then send the play to him. Think about it. The entire CFL has the same rules as does the NFL and this criticism by JC the infamous hand signaller seems to be very rare among football coaches. To me this is just a step backward and gives his team a disadvantage and will pump up D's who already are quite familiar with JC play calling. Calling the play too fast for JC is likely to get him into a rut.

They have always waited until the QB is back ready to head into the huddle which is a few seconds longer after a big gain.

Each year with the Buono regime here there is an oddity or two and this one seems to be one of them. Let's face it.. JC wants to be the show here.
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Chapdelaine going back to his hand signals? I wonder if he has any idea how out of control he looks frantically waving his arms on the sideline. What an embarassment. And you can't tell me it's just part of his coaching - - how desperate is he to get some face time on tv? Maybe if Chapdelaine spent less time working on his signals and more time on moving the football and protecting he'd be taken a bit more seriously around the league.


From Ricky Ray:

"In a way, that was so funny. The day before a game you'd see Jacques rehearsing his hand signals," Esks quarterback Ricky Ray told the Edmonton Sun.

http://www.canada.com/story_print.html? ... a&sponsor=
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When does Jacques want to send his signals?
Based on what CFL QBs have said on this which was all in support of headsets in helmets the question has to be asked: Has JC asked his starting QB and back ups how they feel about this? We know other QBs like the end of signals.

There is no delay according to the way the radio is being deployed so Jacque and the Lions are just blowing hot air here:

The system will only be active from the whistle at the end of the previous play until there are 10 seconds left on the play clock. After that the signal — which is one-way between the coaches and the quarterback — will be cut off. Also, only the team on offence will be able to use the radio and the league will be able to monitor the communication. It's incredibly rare that quarterbacks call their own plays this days, so the radio will be widely used."

http://communities.canada.com/shareit/b ... oices.aspx

Did Jacque ask his QBs?

Other QBs say radio is a good thing:

http://www.1310news.com/news/world/arti ... nes-offend

Ticats' Glenn, other CFL quarterbacks, big fans of helmet headsets

"It has helped a lot being able to communicate with the coach without having to come to the sidelines," Glenn said. "It's made getting the play and to the line of scrimmage a lot quicker.

"I think it's great because it shows the league is trying to move into a new age. It's actually pretty cool. I like it.''

Other comments:

"It definitely allows you to get up to the line of scrimmage a lot faster," said Saskatchewan quarterback Darian Durant. "That's the main thing, to be able to kind of have a good idea what the defence is doing without having to rush getting all the signals from the sidelines.

"It definitely has helped.''

Edmonton's Ricky Ray agrees.

"I've really enjoyed it," he said. "We've had to use (hand) signals since I've been here and it just eliminates that.

However, Toronto's Cleo Lemon, who used the headsets during his eight seasons in the NFL, says there's a big difference between how the two leagues use the technology.

"In the NFL . . . you had a middle guy, a go-between, whereas here I'm talking directly to the guy who's upstairs and shoots the play right down and tells me everything he's seeing," Lemon said. "That's very helpful and is one of those things that allows us to make everything a little simpler in terms of getting in and out of the huddle, reducing time and allowing us to do a lot of things with our different personnel.''

Lemon is in his first CFL season and says the helmet headset has helped his transition to Canadian football.

"I always wondered what were guys doing before," Lemon said. "So much information is being passed along through the headsets that I know it would've been difficult without it.

"I could see it being, especially with this being my first year in this system and league, a major obstacle I would've had to overcome. When you're fighting that (20-second) clock it makes the tempo that much faster and you can't have mixed signals because one bad miscommunication could lead to a big play for the opposing team.''

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Dave Dickenson on taking over in Calgary had this to say:

Dickenson felt a combination of excitement, apprehension and confidence calling plays for the first time on July 1. This happened to be the season the CFL introduced wireless headsets allowing coaches to communicate directly with their quarterbacks on the field.

"I was a little bit more concerned with the head phones and how it was going to work that way," he said. "It's been a big help for me not having to signal. I'm a big communicator, like to hear myself talk, so this has been good for me."

"It's a lot nicer just to hear it straight from the coach's mouth. The other thing that's a little bit of an advantage is he can give you a few reminders, a few tips after he's done giving the play so it's been really good.''
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Area51 wrote:Chapdelaine going back to his hand signals? I wonder if he has any idea how out of control he looks frantically waving his arms on the sideline. What an embarassment. And you can't tell me it's just part of his coaching - - how desperate is he to get some face time on tv? Maybe if Chapdelaine spent less time working on his signals and more time on moving the football and protecting he'd be taken a bit more seriously around the league.


From Ricky Ray:

"In a way, that was so funny. The day before a game you'd see Jacques rehearsing his hand signals," Esks quarterback Ricky Ray told the Edmonton Sun.

http://www.canada.com/story_print.html? ... a&sponsor=
What's even more funny is that he practices his hand signals during warm ups on the field. Check him out the next time you're at the game.
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