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Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:24 am
by Blitz
[quote="ed_lunsford
To me, Lulay has been one of the largest positives this season, right behind the Defence. There are legitimate reasons for optimism even after back to back OT losses.[/quoteI

I guess time will tell. The fac that Lulay got an opportunity to become our starter in the first place was not based upon performance.

Matt Dunnigan wrote at the time, following Travis first stint as our starter this season and replaced by Jarious Jackson for a game:

"in Week 2 when the Lions hosted the Riders in the home opener at Empire Field. The Riders spoiled the party, crushed the Lions 37-18 and Printers hurt his left quad trying to avoid Brent Hawkins in hot pursuit.The following week instead of going to healthy Lulay, the Lions brass chose to go with a hampered and stationary target in Printers and keep him between the tackles (in the pocket) in a loss to the Als. During that game Printers hurts his knee opening the door for Lulay the following week against the Argos. Travis Lulay starts the next three games.Travis Lulay has had his kick at the can, so to speak proving how fleeting opportunities can be in the world of professional football.Travis' passing numbers, 66-109-820-1 TD-5 INT-60.6 percent. Rushing numbers, 17-95-1 TD and the biggest number of all, O wins in 3 starts. That won't cut the mustard on a team that is currently 1-5 and desperately looking for a win" (Matt Dunnigan)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

However, Lulay got anothher shot, after Printers got fumblities and Jarious did not turn out to be a savior in his one start. Travis has looked much better during this second stint and he is improving. However, one only has to look at Printers first season as a starter in 2004, when he set the league on fire in his first 15 games. Teams began to create special defenses for Printers.

Travis, right now, looks better suited for the Chap offence. He is accurage with his short throws. He will turn out to be a higher percentage passer, than a Printes or a Jackson. He'll be more Buck Pierce like that way. However, Lulay runs about every 5 passing attempts and teams will start to defense him in certain ways once they know his tendancies. They'll start to spy him, to cut down his running abilities and tendancies.

In the longer run, Lulay's passing percentage or number of passing yards won't make a huge difference to how I view him. A quarterback who executes the Chap offence the way Chap likes it will have a high passing percentage and lots of passing yards within the 20 yard lines.

The key stat to me, will be points on the board. Travis Lulay could become the next Dickenson. Or he could be third string in a year. Quarterbacks don't last long as starters in the Chap offence and in B.C. Injuries take their toll. Wally changes starting quarterbacks like a male satyr. We've seen a Dickenson almost smashed to death and ineffective in playoff games, we've seen a Casey Printers go from almost the second coming in 2004 to being a very confused man in 2005, we've seen a Buck Pierce changed from a reincarnation of a Matt Dunnigan to a quarterback who would throw 5 yard passes on second and eight, and we've seen a Jarious Jackson go from a quarterback who not only won 9/11 games in his first season starting to a quarterback who doesn't even know himself anymore, as a quarterback and doesn't understand why he's languishing on the bench. We've seen the return of magic in Printers in 2009 to the tentative quarterback he became in 2010.

Perhaps Travis will be able to rise above it all. He struggled in his first stint as our starter. He got a second stint and he looks better this time around. Chap is giving him outlets, such as using Robertson on swing passes out of the backfield, which we didn't do in the first half of the season as Chap goes to an off-set two back backfield often in passing situations. I hope Travis does rise above it. He seems like a quarterback who has the type of personality that he can rise above it. But there are potential challenges that will not be of his making. Chap's offence has its limitations. One never knows when Wally is going to the fortune teller or the team psychologist to determine whether he should switch starters or bench a starter. It can all play on the mind of any starting quarterback. That's been more than proven!. It will be interesting to see how this starting quarterback situation turns out.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:37 am
by hwgill
Coast Mountain Lion wrote:
Blitz wrote: Well, Anuus Reid just completed another interview..he's been doing a lot of them...perhaps he's going to be the next Leo who becomes a 'distraction'! :wink:
Typo of the week.
Freudian slp? lol

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:40 am
by Blitz
hwgill wrote:
Coast Mountain Lion wrote:
Blitz wrote: Well, Anuus Reid just completed another interview..he's been doing a lot of them...perhaps he's going to be the next Leo who becomes a 'distraction'! :wink:
Typo of the week.
Freudian slp? lol
Nope...definitely Jung... :wink:

Hey....I respect a guy who is now starting due to an injury to his teamate...who drinks his coffee through a straw..so his teeth will look their whitest.....while taling to the media... and trashing a former teammate who have gone to war together in the past against opposing CFL defenses. :sigh: :sigh:

Here is another example why we're not winning...players anonymously trashing their own teammates to reporters...

August 31st Globe and Mail

Quarterback and offensive line have been two areas of weakness, and according to one Lions player, safety isn’t too far behind. A player anonymously told The Province newspaper the Lions “need more plays out of the safety,” following a 48-35 loss to Calgary last week, a direct shot at first-year starter Tad Crawford.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:40 am
by Lionheart
I don't think we're not winning because of the statements made, I think we're not winning because of the truth of the statements themselves.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:26 am
by truth-hurts
Lionheart wrote:I don't think we're not winning because of the statements made, I think we're not winning because of the truth of the statements themselves.

:rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: Have to agree.....

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:31 pm
by notahomer
Angus was babbling something about how Lions players don't see things the way the fans do. We can be too negative and the like. Well I'm getting a little tired of knowing how teams are going to beat my Lions and then watching them do it. Our offence has stunk (IMO) for a few seasons now and thankfully (this past game excepted) our defence has improved. Angus talks about using the time to better prepare for their next game. Lets hope the Lions players did as he says they do......

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:20 pm
by B.C.FAN
notahomer wrote:Angus was babbling something about how Lions players don't see things the way the fans do. We can be too negative and the like.
Diehard fans everywhere are too negative when their teams lose and too positive when they win. Look at the angry Canucks fans calling for Alain Vigneault to be fired from the Canucks seven games into the season (Ed Willes column today). Players and coaches must keep an even keel and take each game as it comes. The Lions are a lot better than their 5-10 record. They're 1-7 in close games. If they had split those games, they'd be 8-7 and fighting for a home playoff game. That's a difference of one mistake a game. They're a young team that has had more than its share of bad luck but they've been getting better in the second half of the season and could do some damage in the playoffs if they get there.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:34 pm
by Lion Guy
Lionheart wrote:I don't think we're not winning because of the statements made, I think we're not winning because of the truth of the statements themselves.
Abso - friggin - lutely.

The truth hurts. With all due respect to those here; I will take what Angus has to say in the media long before I take what anyone here has to say about the same situation.

Those that think they are " in the know " are just the same as the rest of us.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:29 pm
by Rammer
Lion Guy wrote:
Lionheart wrote:I don't think we're not winning because of the statements made, I think we're not winning because of the truth of the statements themselves.
Abso - friggin - lutely.

The truth hurts. With all due respect to those here; I will take what Angus has to say in the media long before I take what anyone here has to say about the same situation.

Those that think they are " in the know " are just the same as the rest of us.
Don't you think that Angus colours his words with the media? He does the dance that all players do, but not so much when the player isn't a Lion any longer. Why didn't he speak about the Printers problems earlier?

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:35 pm
by Lion Guy
Rammer wrote:
Lion Guy wrote:
Lionheart wrote:I don't think we're not winning because of the statements made, I think we're not winning because of the truth of the statements themselves.
Abso - friggin - lutely.

The truth hurts. With all due respect to those here; I will take what Angus has to say in the media long before I take what anyone here has to say about the same situation.

Those that think they are " in the know " are just the same as the rest of us.
Don't you think that Angus colours his words with the media? He does the dance that all players do, but not so much when the player isn't a Lion any longer. Why didn't he speak about the Printers problems earlier?
Think about that for a second......

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:37 pm
by PigSkin_53
B.C.FAN wrote:The Lions are a lot better than their 5-10 record. They're 1-7 in close games. If they had split those games, they'd be 8-7 and fighting for a home playoff game. That's a difference of one mistake a game. They're a young team that has had more than its share of bad luck but they've been getting better in the second half of the season and could do some damage in the playoffs if they get there.
Score board baby!

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:34 pm
by Rammer
Lion Guy wrote:
Rammer wrote:
Lion Guy wrote:
The truth hurts. With all due respect to those here; I will take what Angus has to say in the media long before I take what anyone here has to say about the same situation.

Those that think they are " in the know " are just the same as the rest of us.
Don't you think that Angus colours his words with the media? He does the dance that all players do, but not so much when the player isn't a Lion any longer. Why didn't he speak about the Printers problems earlier?
Think about that for a second......
Oh I have, and is exactly the point. If he really was this leader, you bark behind closed doors and not out in public. No need to launder your dirty laundry in the public.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:01 pm
by Lion Guy
Rammer wrote:
Oh I have, and is exactly the point. If he really was this leader, you bark behind closed doors and not out in public. No need to launder your dirty laundry in the public.

Agreed. Printers must have really been a problem for someone to say the things Angus did!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:55 pm
by Gerry
The_Pauser wrote:
Lulay hasn't been the problem, but as a starter since Casey got benched he's been 1-2 and has had extended problems in at least a complete half of every game he's played where he hasn't been able to put up points.
As a starter Lulay has been 1 and 2 since Printers was benched, eh? Is one of the 2 losses "as a starter" the OT loss in Winnipeg in which we had a sizeable lead when Lulay left the game? If a QB is to be credited with a loss there, it should be Printers.

And when you count Printers' wins "as a starter", you happily chalk up the Calgary game in which he did his best to fumble away the excellent field position that Davis gave him to work with before he was rightfully yanked. If a QB is to be credited with a win there, it should be Lulay.

But, I know, you're so emotionally invested in Printers that you can't help but see only what you want, and will do your best to skew the facts.

Re: Eskimos 31 - Lions 28 Post Game Stats and Comments

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:00 pm
by Gerry
potbelly wrote:
Rodu wrote:
potbelly wrote: Or is this primarily a thing against skin color. I am really starting to wonder about people's hearts and minds.
are you seriously playing the race card?
And no I am not playing the race Card. I am just stating the the obvious that some people still have issue's, not saying everyone, but some are still that shallow. To deny that would be walking around with horse blinders on.
What the heck does that mean? "....obvious that some people still have issues"?

What does that have to do in the context of this thread?

Many people have issues about many things. YOU obviously have some issues to even bring this up.