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Yup, Lulay played well enough to win, I was actually amazed by his play throughout the game, as he was executing the schemes admirably given the talent he had on the field to work with.

David wrote:Okay, the last sentence is way out of line. He's already gone. He wanted to win here in BC, it didn't work out, but at least show the man some respect.

DH

Well, Anuus Reid just completed another interview..he's been doing a lot of them...perhaps he's going to be the next Leo who becomes a 'distraction'!

More seriously, I just listened to Glenn Suitor on Team Radio and he has some interesting points on Casey Printers.

~Suitor said he didn't think that Casey Printers was an "I-Me" player deep down. However, that was his outside personna before coming back to B.C. for his scond stint.

~Suitor felt that Casey Printers problem in 2010 was that he was trying to please everyone...to be who everyone else wanted him to be..instead of being himself.

~Suitor felt the interviews with Printers saying it's all about 'team', he was only one of twelve players, his job was just to do his job and execute the offence...was more Dale Carnegie stuff and Printers was just trying to give the media, the fans, and his coaches what he thought they wanted him to be.

~Suitor felt that if he ever returned to the CFL (and during this second stint) he should have been the old Casey Printers and also the one who played his style of game in 2009.

~Suitor felt that Printers ended up thinking too much, both on and off-the field, instead of just being himself. I thought Suitor made some good points.


Casey Printers was often a misunderstood quarterback. Away from the game of football, he was consiiderate, helpful, and thoughful, always willing to go the extra mile for a friennd or temamate.

However, on the football field Casey Printers is really a brash, zealous, gunslinger and a bit of a hotdog who liked to get fans into the game. That's who he was in 2004 and somewhat in 2005. He still had those elements, although tempered in 2009. That's usually when he plays his best. Dickenson, when he played here was the sott spoken, cerebral quarterback. That's who Dickenson is but he also was the most competitive guy in the world..refusing to come off when injured to not give up his spot and tough back to Wally when he needed to be...as when Dickenson said.."I don't play for Wally..I play for myself and my teammates. Can you imagine how ballistic things would have gone if Printers had said something like that?. Dickenson had the velvet glove but inside he was iron. Printers was show on the outside but inside he was a lof softer and more sensitive than the experienced, cagy Dickenson.

However, in 2010, Casey Printers was different. He tried to just execute Chap's offence. He didn't try to be a gunslinger. His knee injury also hampered him but I doubt Printers would have run much this season anyway. He was trying to be someone he's not..a pocket passer, a guy who just was one of the gang, which he repeatedly said to the media (and annoyed Reid by doing it) Printers thought that was what was wanted but it didn't come off well anyway.

Printers should have just come here and been who he is on the football field. He should have figured out that Chap wasn't all keen on him anyway (an understatement) and would be looking to replace him if poasible anyway. He should have just tried to be the gunslinger again and say to hell with it. You can't be someone you're not, you can't please everyone, you get frustrated because you can't please them anyway...and in the end it didnt' work out for him trying to be someone he isn't or the style of quarterback that does not suit his talents.

scrawnyPilgrim wrote:Yup, Lulay played well enough to win, I was actually amazed by his play throughout the game, as he was executing the schemes admirably given the talent he had on the field to work with.

I wouldn't say not scoring in the second half until 3 minutes left is playing well enough to win. Usually teams who go an entire half without scoring don't win football games. If Lulay's name were Printers, people would be screaming about this point.

The_Pauser wrote:

scrawnyPilgrim wrote:Yup, Lulay played well enough to win, I was actually amazed by his play throughout the game, as he was executing the schemes admirably given the talent he had on the field to work with.

I wouldn't say not scoring in the second half until 3 minutes left is playing well enough to win. Usually teams who go an entire half without scoring don't win football games. If Lulay's name were Printers, people would be screaming about this point.

What as crock , he threw for 278 yards ( and ran for lots more too) and that is with very limited time due to Ricky Ray burning up almost all the clock for that second half with is running along with their RB burning up lots more time . The GUY TIED the game when it was crunch time , talk about sour - grapes or what . It's more like the other way around , had that been Printers in there , YOU would be the one saying the opposite and you know it .
So now you are going to cheer against Lulay because of a sour-grapes attitude ??
It was not Lulay who lost us the game , it was the D , I suppose you think Lulay should have been tackling Ray and Porter and stopping their drives so he could catch his own throws too ? Lulay accounted for over 300 yds himself .

pennw wrote: What as crock , he threw for 278 yards ( and ran for lots more too) and that is with very limited time due to Ricky Ray burning up almost all the clock for that second half with is running along with their RB burning up lots more time . The GUY TIED the game when it was crunch time , talk about sour - grapes or what . It's more like the other way around , had that been Printers in there , YOU would be the one saying the opposite and you know it .
So now you are going to cheer against Lulay because of a sour-grapes attitude ??
It was not Lulay who lost us the game , it was the D , I suppose you think Lulay should have been tackling Ray and Porter and stopping their drives so he could catch his own throws too ? Lulay accounted for over 300 yds himself .

It's not crock at all. For 27 minutes of the second half Lulay did not put up any points. It isnt as if he didn't get the ball at all. He got the ball but didn't put up points. I guarantee you if it were Printers that had the exact same game that you would be pointing to the lack of points put up.

When you're fighting for a playoff spot, putting up a mere 15 points for 57 minutes of the game isn't good enough. I'm not blaming Lulay for the loss (unlike how people blamed Printers for the Winnipeg loss). I'm merely saying that he didn't do enough to win us the game. He couldn't score...we gave up tons of yards on the ground, but only held Edmonton to 25 points in regulation. Our offense couldn't capitalize.

And if you want to blame the system, that's the same system Casey was saddled with too.

yeah but, people like travis better and
travis didnt throw his helmet and
travis didnt get into an arguement with a receiver on the field and
travis didnt throw a fit in the locker room and
travis doesnt have an "arnt I special" website and
travis has red hair

KnowItAll wrote:yeah but, people like travis better and
travis didnt throw his helmet and
travis didnt get into an arguement with a receiver on the field and
travis didnt throw a fit in the locker room and
travis doesnt have an "arnt I special" website and
travis has red hair

And Casey is no longer with the team. So at some point maybe we should think about putting this pissing contest behind us and deal with the team we have, which has plenty of it's own problems, no?

cromartie wrote:

KnowItAll wrote:yeah but, people like travis better and
travis didnt throw his helmet and
travis didnt get into an arguement with a receiver on the field and
travis didnt throw a fit in the locker room and
travis doesnt have an "arnt I special" website and
travis has red hair

And Casey is no longer with the team. So at some point maybe we should think about putting this pissing contest behind us and deal with the team we have, which has plenty of it's own problems, no?

Agreed, I think that it was a mistake to release Casey before we gave him a chance with a new OC, but it is now a piece of Lions history, time to move forward.

Rammer wrote:

cromartie wrote:

KnowItAll wrote:yeah but, people like travis better and
travis didnt throw his helmet and
travis didnt get into an arguement with a receiver on the field and
travis didnt throw a fit in the locker room and
travis doesnt have an "arnt I special" website and
travis has red hair

And Casey is no longer with the team. So at some point maybe we should think about putting this pissing contest behind us and deal with the team we have, which has plenty of it's own problems, no?

Agreed, I think that it was a mistake to release Casey before we gave him a chance with a new OC, but it is now a piece of Lions history, time to move forward.

I think the red hair is the key...brings back memories of Dickenson.

Your statement hits the nail in the head Ramer. I believe it was a mistake to let him go before geting a new offensive coordinator in here. At the same time he is now a piece of Leos history. I believe that there is some mourning that needs to be done by some, in that many fans believed in his talent and potential in the right situation and in the right offence for him.

I also think there are fans who believe that Printers was treated unfairly or in an inconsistnet way with past practice and have felt the need to express that and look deeply into the situation, rather than the simplistic Printers was a cancer, a distraction, a me first guy, etc. Printers cried at the end of the playoff game in 2005, when his three minutes of action was not enough to bring us back to a victory. The situation with Casey Printers was very complex, he was a complelx individual, and thw whole Printers story, both times he was here involved a lot of factors.

However, with three games to go in this season, we have to move ahead with the players we have, right or wrong. When Hunt returns next week, I wonder which defensive tackle will not be dressed??

The_Pauser wrote:

pennw wrote: What as crock , he threw for 278 yards ( and ran for lots more too) and that is with very limited time due to Ricky Ray burning up almost all the clock for that second half with is running along with their RB burning up lots more time . The GUY TIED the game when it was crunch time , talk about sour - grapes or what . It's more like the other way around , had that been Printers in there , YOU would be the one saying the opposite and you know it .
So now you are going to cheer against Lulay because of a sour-grapes attitude ??
It was not Lulay who lost us the game , it was the D , I suppose you think Lulay should have been tackling Ray and Porter and stopping their drives so he could catch his own throws too ? Lulay accounted for over 300 yds himself .

It's not crock at all. For 27 minutes of the second half Lulay did not put up any points. It isnt as if he didn't get the ball at all. He got the ball but didn't put up points. I guarantee you if it were Printers that had the exact same game that you would be pointing to the lack of points put up.

When you're fighting for a playoff spot, putting up a mere 15 points for 57 minutes of the game isn't good enough. I'm not blaming Lulay for the loss (unlike how people blamed Printers for the Winnipeg loss). I'm merely saying that he didn't do enough to win us the game. He couldn't score...we gave up tons of yards on the ground, but only held Edmonton to 25 points in regulation. Our offense couldn't capitalize.

And if you want to blame the system, that's the same system Casey was saddled with too.

Like I said , what a crock . The last 3 minutes don't count?? Very childish of you to mention the 57 minutes only when the last 3 counted also . He tied the game . So are you gonna pout about it for the next 5 years now ? Maybe you could put up an Argos logo or something now for an avatar like area51 . Or the logo for wherever Printers ends up . No I wouldn't be making the argument in reverse had it been Printers in , because I'm not like you and it's a stupid argument . On your other point , you are so blaming Lulay for the loss , and then just claiming you aren't , otherwise you wouldn't have posted this at all .
Like some have said already , it's time to move on . Lulay is our #1 guy now .

The_Pauser wrote:

scrawnyPilgrim wrote:Yup, Lulay played well enough to win, I was actually amazed by his play throughout the game, as he was executing the schemes admirably given the talent he had on the field to work with.

I wouldn't say not scoring in the second half until 3 minutes left is playing well enough to win. Usually teams who go an entire half without scoring don't win football games. If Lulay's name were Printers, people would be screaming about this point.

I agree with you 100%. If it had been CP, people here would have been bi**hing long and hard about how useless he was, but because it was Lulay, all they can say is he tied the game.

Yes, our D was pathetic, letting ray run for well over 100 yards, but even with a bad D, if Lulay and the O would have played better, the Leos STILL would have won.

Anyway, it's over now, and we can look forward to 3 more losses to finish the season.

All I can hope for, is that the coaching staff gets completely revamped during the off-season, otherwise I may have to think about renewing for next season.

I'm afraid I must concur as well. Regardless that the D played lousy, the Esks only got 25 points. That is a surmountable point total for an offense that is playing somewhat competently. Coming back in the last 3 mins though laudible, doesn't speak well of what transpired during the 57 minutes prior to that. While Lulay didn't play badly, he didn't knock anyones socks off either. Our inablity to march the ball during most of the 2nd half gave the Esks more than enough opportunities to exploit our "confused" D. In the end, it still boils down to "different QB - same result". Is it Lulay's fault if he struggles? Probably not given the way our team is currently being coached. A point that could be reasonably made about some of our other QB's who have struggled under this regime.

Funny how pretty much everyone who is putting down Lulay is a Printers fan . The fact is Printers flat out wasn't doing anything at all in 2010 . He had only 75 yds rushing total for 2010 on 13 attempts . Every other QB was way better than that , even Calvillo looked like Mike Pringle compared to Printers . That is a stat that indicates getting sacked lots or just eatong the football if there aren't big passing numbers to even it out . And some of that has to be on Printers . Lulay has 297 yds rushing on 48 attempts in his very limited playing time . The two have nearly identical passing numbers , but the Lulay has a 61.7 completion % compared to 54.4 % for Casey . The fact Printers would never take off with the ball when flushed out was his undoing , and that was entirely his fault . I can't see blaming his ankle for that either because he got plenty of yards going backward or sideways .
The other biggest stat in this is Casey is a 7 year vet while Lulay is only just past the rookie stage and isn't really ready to be a starter yet . He was rushed along due to circumstances . Much of Lulay's weak ratings come from the fact that his early starts are included in his numbers - a fact strangley overlooked by supposedly knowledgeable football fans here . Glenn Suitor talking on 1040 said he thinks Lulay like a very good up and coming QB , better than almost any CFL QB has looked that early in his career . He could only name Ricky Ray and one other who looked better that fast .

Blitz wrote: Well, Anuus Reid just completed another interview..he's been doing a lot of them...perhaps he's going to be the next Leo who becomes a 'distraction'!

Typo of the week.

pennw wrote:Funny how pretty much everyone who is putting down Lulay is a Printers fan . The fact is Printers flat out wasn't doing anything at all in 2010 . He had only 75 yds rushing total for 2010 on 13 attempts . Every other QB was way better than that , even Calvillo looked like Mike Pringle compared to Printers . That is a stat that indicates getting sacked lots or just eatong the football if there aren't big passing numbers to even it out . And some of that has to be on Printers . Lulay has 297 yds rushing on 48 attempts in his very limited playing time . The two have nearly identical passing numbers , but the Lulay has a 61.7 completion % compared to 54.4 % for Casey . The fact Printers would never take off with the ball when flushed out was his undoing , and that was entirely his fault . I can't see blaming his ankle for that either because he got plenty of yards going backward or sideways .
The other biggest stat in this is Casey is a 7 year vet while Lulay is only just past the rookie stage and isn't really ready to be a starter yet . He was rushed along due to circumstances . Much of Lulay's weak ratings come from the fact that his early starts are included in his numbers - a fact strangley overlooked by supposedly knowledgeable football fans here . Glenn Suitor talking on 1040 said he thinks Lulay like a very good up and coming QB , better than almost any CFL QB has looked that early in his career . He could only name Ricky Ray and one other who looked better that fast .

To me, Lulay has been one of the largest positives this season, right behind the Defence.

There are legitimate reasons for optimism even after back to back OT losses.