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Tighthead wrote:
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Tighthead wrote:WCJ, did you like the Cowboys after Ackles left and they were winning Superbowls?

Tighthead, I never liked Jerry Jones much. But as long as Johnson and Ackles were there, I enjoyed watching them play, and even rooted for them.

They never won any Superbowls with Ackles, which is why I asked. Did you root for them during the two Johnson titles?
Super Bowls in 1993 and 1994 with Johnson. 1996 with Switzer, I think. I was not paying all that much attention to Ackles' role with the Cowboys, until I started to read about the breakup between Johnson and Jones. As I recollect, Johnson was miffed about Jones' treament of Ackles (this just from memory). At that time, my interest in the team was more about Johnson, Aikman, Smith, Irvin, etc.

If Johnson left after 1994, and if Ackles was there with Johnson, was Ackles not part of any Super Bowl victories? It's tricky to figure out the timeline.

I see Ackles left the Cowboys in 1991. But it seems Johnson was having drinks with Ackles (no longer with the team) and some others when Jones was insulting to some of them. That was part of the rift leading to Johnson's departure from Dallas.
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This was a week of ??? for me. These were my picks that turned out to be lumps of coal:
Steelers, Jets and Panthers.

I thought the Steelers would get by the Titans. BigBen has snuck out a few victories this season. Titans did more than enough to win. Not sure if stomping on the 'TerribleTowel' when the game was well in hand was a good idea....

The Jets choked in Seattle??? I'm a Seahawk fan (should I even admit that?) so it was nice to see Holmgren win his last home game as Head Coach.

The Panthers lost to the Giants. Could have won it on a last second Field Goal but no.

I was also surprised to see the BUC's lose to the Chargers. At least it sets up a meaningful nightcap game next week Broncos in Chargerville. I'm sure there maybe be a lot of stars riding PINE in other games but not in this one. I'll take the Broncos...as if it matters. The team that wins isn't going to be around for long in the playoffs, IMO.
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notahomer wrote:These were my picks that turned out to be lumps of coal:
Steelers, Jets and Panthers.
Tough week for picks.

I had the Steelers, Bucs, Eagles and Jets. Ughhh

But the Giants did well for me. :beauty:
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Week Seventeen NFL Football Point Spread - NFL Spreads 12/28, 2008

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog

12/28 1:00 ET At Tampa Bay -13 Oakland
12/28 1:00 ET At Green Bay -10 Detroit
12/28 4:15 ET At Philadelphia -1.5 Dallas
12/28 1:00 ET At Minnesota -7 NY Giants
12/28 1:00 ET At Houston -3 Chicago
12/28 1:00 ET Carolina -3 At New Orleans
12/28 1:00 ET At Atlanta -14 St. Louis
12/28 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -3 Kansas City
12/28 4:15 ET At Baltimore -12.5 Jacksonville
12/28 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 At Indianapolis
12/28 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -10.5 Cleveland
12/28 4:15 ET At NY Jets -3 Miami
12/28 1:00 ET New England -6.5 At Buffalo
12/28 4:15 ET At Arizona -6 Seattle
12/28 4:15 ET At San Francisco -3 Washington
12/28 8:15 ET At San Diego -8 Denver
The odds favour the Vikings over the Giants. ?

I'll take the Eagles over the Cowboys, the Patriots over the Bills, and the Dolphins over the Jets.
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This is 'rest them in case they get injured week' in the NFL. I think the season ender Chargers/Broncos for a spot in the playoffs maybe the best game (I'm still picking the Broncos).

Titans/Colts would be a game to watch a month ago but now...I'll take the Titans.

Will the Seahawks send Holmgren for his 'football sabbatical' by beating the Division Champs? I'll say "yes" Seahawks close on a win.
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The only question that matters in the NFL this week is: can the Detroit Lions beat the staggering odds in their quest to run the table? This is probably the best look we're going to get at it for a while.
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
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WestCoastJoe wrote:I'll take the Eagles over the Cowboys, the Patriots over the Bills, and the Dolphins over the Jets.
Well, that does not happen very often for me. 3 out of 3.

I'm not going to try to figure out the playoff picture, just read about it later.
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notahomer wrote:This is 'rest them in case they get injured week' in the NFL. I think the season ender Chargers/Broncos for a spot in the playoffs maybe the best game (I'm still picking the Broncos).
That was a hell of a game to be in SD for. I didn't go in person with the ticket prices on that one, but the hype building up to it all over town was incredible. Thankfully your pick was off :) and of course, thank you Bills!

Indy should be a tough game, better record but the Bolts should have some momentum with that big win. L.T. gets 3 TDs on the night (only 8 on the season prior to Sunday) and his biggest gain of the season, wee-little Sproles had a hell of a game and showed those little legs can sure move. They starting to live up what was expected of this team and I hope it is the beginning of a good playoff run.
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NFL Playoff Picture Monday, December 29, 2008; E01

NFC

Division Champions

1. Giants 12-4

(NFC East)

2. Panthers 12-4

(NFC South)

3. Vikings 10-6

(NFC North)

4. Cardinals 9-7

(NFC West)

Wild Cards

5. Falcons 11-5

6. Eagles 9-6-1

Next Weekend's Playoff Schedule

Falcons at Cardinals

Saturday, 4:30 p.m. (WRC-4, WBAL-11)

Eagles at Vikings

Sunday, 4:30 p.m. (WTTG-5, WBFF-45)

AFC

Division Champions

1. Titans 13-3

(AFC South)

2. Steelers 12-4

(AFC North)

3. Dolphins 11-5

(AFC East)

4. Chargers (8-8)

(AFC West)

Wild Cards

5. Colts 12-4

6. Ravens 11-5

Next Weekend's Playoff Schedule

Colts at Chargers

Saturday, 8 p.m. (WRC-4, WBAL-11)

Ravens at Dolphins

Sunday, 1 p.m. (WUSA-9, WJZ-13)

Note: The top two teams in each conference receive a first-round bye.
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NFL Point Spreads For

Wild Card Playoffs - 1/3 - 1/4, 2009

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog

1/3 4:30 ET Atlanta -2 At Arizona

1/3 8:00 ET Indianapolis -1 At San Diego

1/4 1:00 ET Baltimore -3 At Miami

1/4 4:30 ET Philadelphia -3 At Minnesota
I'll take the Falcons, Colts, Dolphins and Eagles.
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Well I was 0 for 3 and a little dissappointed. I have nothing against the Eagles or Chargers I just thought their opponents would have more gas in the tank considering a playoff spot was on the line.

Having an obvious favourite kinda takes a bit of a sheen off the playoffs but I don't see one this playoffs. I guess we'll see what happens over the next month. IIRC, the first weeks games are usually pretty good.
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NFL Point Spreads For

Wild Card Playoffs - 1/3 - 1/4, 2009

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog

1/3 4:30 ET Atlanta -2 At Arizona

1/3 8:00 ET Indianapolis -1 At San Diego

1/4 1:00 ET Baltimore -3 At Miami

1/4 4:30 ET Philadelphia -3 At Minnesota
I'll take the Falcons, Colts, Dolphins and Eagles.
Same with the exception of Chargers over Colts. Maybe a bit of homer feeling for them, or wishful thinking. I just get the feeling this is a team that through a lucky break or two, was able to stay alive long enough to hit it's stride. :beauty:
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My picks are the Colts, Ravens, Falcons and Eagles.

Hear a lot of chatter about the Falcons but haven't caught any of their games.
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WOW, lots of Firings. Shanahan is not feeling a MileHigh after last weekend. Where does his parachute land or does he take a season or two off?

One little sportswire thing that caught my attention that I think makes sense. The 2010 ProBowl is going to be played the weekend BEFORE the Superbowl. I hate the intertia building during the playoffs and then wham...nothing other than hype. Obviously the a big drawback is NO Superbowl players are going to risk playing in the ProBowl.
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Good article on the Dolphins amazing turnaround. Of course Parcells has done this a number of times before (Giants, Patriots, Jets, Cowboys), but this year has still been surprising. From 1-15 to 11-5.

I've never been a Dolphins fan. But, over the years, I've begun to appreciate Parcells abilities more and more, with each reclamation job. His teams usually become defined by big, tough, physical players. They block well. Run well. Play tough defense.

Another huge surprise this year was the Dolphins introducing the Wildcat offense to the NFL. Catching opponents unprepared. Other teams have been integrating it into their own offenses.
For Dolphins, A Turnaround Like No Other

By Amy Shipley

Washington Post Staff Writer

Saturday, January 3, 2009; E01

DAVIE, Fla. -- It looked to everyone as if Jason Taylor had escaped one of the league's worst teams and moved to a legitimate playoff contender when the Miami Dolphins traded him to the Washington Redskins last July. His gridiron buddies in Miami reacted skeptically to the deal, wondering whether their fallen franchise had blundered again even before the season's start.

"What exactly are we doing?" Dolphins defensive end Vonnie Holliday said, according to a Fort Lauderdale newspaper. "Hopefully, they've got a plan to pull some rabbit out of a hat."

By now, Holliday realizes there was, indeed, a plan. It hasn't produced any rabbits, but it has brought an assortment of magical moments, fairy-tale flourishes and a level of success that Holliday says he still can't quite believe. A year after finishing 1-15, the Dolphins managed to construct the biggest turnaround in NFL history, marching to an 11-5 regular season record and the organization's first division title in eight years.

By winning nine of their last 10 regular season games, many with heart-pounding heroics in the fourth quarter, the Dolphins achieved what had seemed unthinkable when Taylor was dealt during the summer: a first-round home playoff game Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.

"Sometimes it does feel like it's a dream," Holliday said with a grin. "It was almost surreal the other night, sitting on my balcony, watching TV, knowing we are going to the playoffs."

Sweeping change began under Bill Parcells, who, two weeks after his hiring in December 2007, threw out nearly all of the old regime, except for a few folks in the media relations department. Parcells summoned Dallas Cowboys cohorts Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano for the general manager and head coaching posts, respectively. He also brought in 14 other new coaches and about 40 new players, 29 of whom landed on the regular season roster.

Despite a 2-4 start, Miami steadily evolved from an interesting engineering project to a strategic and architectural wonder. A disciplined team with few star players, the Dolphins (along with this season's New York Giants) set an NFL record for fewest turnovers (13). Yet Miami's offense has featured such ingenious play-calling and creative schemes -- namely, the Wildcat, a formation involving direct snaps to a running back that the Dolphins introduced in their third game -- that it has been flagrantly copied league-wide.

On defense, Parcells ditched two legendary and beloved ball-chasers, Taylor and linebacker Zach Thomas (who was waived), and replaced them with a mix of hungry rookies and rejuvenated veterans, building a squad that began the season with a reputation for giving up big plays and ended it with a penchant for making them. Against the Dolphins last week at Giants Stadium, New York Jets quarterback Brett Favre was intercepted three times in the game that sealed Miami's improbable bid for the playoffs.

"Nobody," said former Dolphins tight end Joe Rose, now a color commentator for the team's radio broadcasts, "saw this coming."

Last season, Miami was led by Cam Cameron, now the Ravens' offensive coordinator, a genteel and dignified type who didn't believe in tongue-lashings -- a growing problem because so many players seemed to need one. Teammates clashed on team flights and challenged Cameron's authority in team meetings. On top of that, injuries sidelined not one, but two starting running backs, and starting quarterback Trent Green.

"After Game 9," said Miami center Samson Satele, recalling the team's 0-9 record, "the season was done."

Said Holliday, "It was kind of like guys crawled into a hole and went into a tank."

It's "the most miserable thing," safety Will Allen said, "you can go through."

Nobody expected the recovery to be easy, certainly not Sparano, who, on the first day of training camp, told reporters, "There's no light at the end of the tunnel, so don't look for it." But nobody sat around. Sparano hovered over his assistant coaches to remind players he was paying attention and yelled full-throttle when appropriate. During individual meetings with players, he told each one he needed to be an active participant in abolishing the losing culture.

"He has a little bit of Bill [Parcells] in his direct approach," said linebacker Akin Ayodele, acquired in an offseason trade from the Cowboys. "At the same time, he reads people."

The now-bustling locker room at the Dolphins' suburban practice facility, located near a local college between Miami and Fort Lauderdale, seems a testament to the team's newfound harmony and sense of purpose. During their lunch break on New Year's Day, five offensive linemen sat in black leather chairs around a table playing dominoes. A half-dozen others watched a bowl game in another cluster of chairs across the teal-carpeted floor. Others happily held court with throngs of local television and radio stations and newspaper reporters, some standing in front of 8 1/2 -by-11-inch sheets of white paper with succinct messages in large black print taped to shelves in their locker stalls.

In safety Yeremiah Bell's stall: "Physical: No. 1. Why not us?"

In running back Ronnie Brown's: "Enthusiasm: The sustaining power of all great actions."

In rookie offensive lineman Jake Long's: "Enthusiasm is contagious. Be a carrier."

The messages? All came from Sparano, who leaves inspirational quotes, players say, in their lockers about once a week.

"He's very enthusiastic," Allen said. "You can see his passion for the game. It translates through everybody. He does a great job of getting his point across."

Parcells, who players say never addresses the entire team and rarely shows his face, has been active behind the scenes. Besides getting rid of Taylor and Thomas, he and his staff brought in a trio of Cowboys, tight end Anthony Fasano, defensive tackle Jason Ferguson and Ayodele, who have proved critical to the turnaround. They also added a rookie place kicker from Montana (Dan Carpenter), an undrafted wide receiver out of Hawaii (Davone Bess) and several draft picks who have played primary roles. But the final touch, and a dramatic one, came in August. After the Jets signed Favre and let veteran but oft-injured quarterback Chad Pennington go, Parcells grabbed him, too.

Teammates all but genuflect when Pennington's name is mentioned. Linebacker Joey Porter had seemed to be on a crusade to earn him the league's most valuable player award. Pennington completed a team-record 67.4 percent of his passes and threw just seven interceptions.

"It's like you have a car sitting there, and all of the sudden you get the steering wheel," Holliday said. "Now, you're ready to go."

Said running back Patrick Cobbs, "He's been that piece that fills in every void for us."

Other pieces fell into place. Running backs Ricky Williams and Brown, both injured for most of last season, gave opponents fits in the Wildcat and rushed for a combined 1,575 yards. Porter collected 17 1/2 sacks. Ted Ginn, the 2007 first-round draft pick who had an average rookie season, became a big-play threat and caught 56 passes. Matt Roth thrived at his new position, outside linebacker; newcomers Ferguson and Phillip Merling made major contributions on the defensive line and tight ends Fasano and David Martin worked well as a one-two punch, catching a combined 65 passes.

"Early in the season," Brown said, "I think the question was: Who's going to replace guys like Zach and J.T.? My thing was, you can't replace those guys. It's got to be a team effort, and everybody bought into that."

Miami's 0-2 start seemed to jeopardize the progress made through the summer, but when Sparano, offensive coordinator Dan Henning and quarterbacks coach David Lee decided to bring out the Wildcat package -- which puts Pennington in a wide-out slot, sends shotgun snaps to Brown and features an unbalanced line -- Miami upset the New England Patriots with a blitz of big plays in Game 3. It was then, players say, that they realized the change in prospects.

"That was the turning point," Satele said. "That's why we're here now."

Miami spent the next 13 games finding its identity and sharpening its newly discovered weapons. The Dolphins won seven games by seven points or less, suggesting the team was more opportunistic than dominant, but Miami's players view those down-to-the-wire victories as a positive: They have, they say, fine-tuned the art of winning in the clutch.

"We play so hard and have been in so many tough games we don't know when we are supposed to be scared," Porter said. "That's a huge plus right now, to be going to the playoffs and knowing that you have a young team that has ice in its veins . . .

"We want to . . . cause a ruckus. We love playing football right now and we don't want it to stop."
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