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Re: Touchdown Pacific: Lions vs. Redblacks game thread

The view of the park etc and the energy from the players given how they were touching the crowd coming out onto the field looked incredible on TV despite some tech issues (or maybe it my cable) during the event including us missing three OTT plays as there was a communication issue.




Two interviews yesterday were a bit of a turn off for me and an affront to TSN's Farhan Lalji who in my years watching him can't recall an interviewee taking issue with his questions.

First up was Ambrosie who refused to reply to the very legit question fans have when it comes to Shawn Lemon's indefinite suspension for a $100 bet. Ambrosie is kind of a bozo but to suggest he can't answer as it's Touchdown Pacific day was ridiculous. I watch the interviews to keep up on things. Farhan's wording of the question was fine. Ambrosie just keeps proving he's little more than a second rate Commissioner.

The half time inteviewers with coaches or players isn't always informative but they're part of the game that fans look forward to.
Teams need to give these guys some helpful tips on media as it helps them personally and that's what fans expect who tune in OR like me - go to most Lion games and then watch the broadcast later.


I was a bit taken aback when Nathan Rourke just abruptly - and somewhat rudely -walked off from the Farhan half time interview as it seems he didn't like Farhan's overview of his statistics. It was a side of Rourke I hadn't been aware of. Most players including those on the Lions usually express their appreciation to the interviewer and at times as they cut away you see a friendly gesture from players all across the CFL.
The 26-year-old didn’t stick around long as Lalji rattled off his statline, cutting him off and patting him on the shoulder before heading to the locker room.

“We’re up 31-6, that’s all I really care about. Thanks, Farhan.”
Farhan says he knows Rourke dislikes half time talk but:
"TSN Producer Chris Edwards overruled that strategy in Victoria, as the quarterback’s play was the undisputed storyline of Touchdown Pacific. “Chris was right. This is what we do. This is part of television,” Lalji said."
Some found the response amusing, while others felt that Rourke was demonstrating an ego and big-timing the broadcast.
This justification is a turn off:
The Victoria-born QB said he only agreed to do the interview after his head coach, Rick Campbell, made him a promise.

“I did it for Coach Campbell and he said that I wouldn’t have to do one for the rest of my career,” Rourke said. “I want to hold him to that.”
While Farhan defends him - I echo this part of his comments as fans like us pay considerable dollars for TSN and other sports channels and we expect to hear in-game/half time comments.
He’s now the highest-paid player in the Canadian Football League for next year,” Lalji remarked.

“I don’t want him to be criticized for that moment and he’s got to learn that there are more expectations when you are now the face of the league. Halftime interviews are a part of that.”




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It wasn't your feed Toppy. It was the same where I was watching at Jack Astors in downtown Toronto. I was wondering if it was a case of having to set up a totally temporary broadcast. When they do games out of regular facilities there is established infrastructure in place that has been long tested and debugged. At RAF they would be doing it all from scratch.
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Last week writers have been saying how much criticism Nathan Rourke got for his play in the first two games but what are their sources for this?

I read/heard how Rourke was all upside and couldn't be expected to shoot the lights out given he had 3 practices for the Bombers and two for the Redblacks. No one I heard on TSN or from fellow fans were dumping on him.

Now JC Abbott is making the same claim yet even the casual fans I spoke to weren't trashing Rourke's play but knew the situation. Even my non-fan wife mentioned that!

The second half was bound to play a bit differently than the first half as Ottawa is a good team that wasn't ready for getting blown out in the first half.
The critics who so ravenously attacked the homegrown quarterbacking prodigy when he was struggling the last few weeks will be quick to point to the second half for evidence of their skepticism.

I think I heard Glen Suitor say on TSN again that Rourke had 1 practice pre-Bombers and it was actually 3. None of that was to suggest that some how magically he was going to pass for 400 yds given how he'd just travelled cross country and hadn't played a full game and had to start. Rourke could have easily suggested he wasn't ready that first week and forced Brice into action BUT put his reputation on the line and played anyway as if stats don't matter. Not many would do that. As JC Abbott says, Betts had it easier as he knows what the Lions do and it's not like he's tossing the ball.


Mike Benevides will no doubt have to watch for fake punts now. I think Willams is constrained by the system versus Dedmon etc who can head for the sidelines immediately and that's not what BC does. All the teams that turn their returner loose have issues with holding calls and I think the BC design is to go up behind the blocking and break for the sidelines only after if it's on.
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Good discussion on the kickers and and the 2 long snappers.
There was a time when a kicker was expected to perform all three jobs competently, while your holder and long-snapper had other responsibilities on the team. Despite the CFL’s tight game-day rosters, B.C. has managed to split up those responsibilities amongst five separate players ....
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Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:34 pm The view of the park etc and the energy from the players given how they were touching the crowd coming out onto the field looked incredible on TV despite some tech issues (or maybe it my cable) during the event including us missing three OTT plays as there was a communication issue.




Two interviews yesterday were a bit of a turn off for me and an affront to TSN's Farhan Lalji who in my years watching him can't recall an interviewee taking issue with his questions.

First up was Ambrosie who refused to reply to the very legit question fans have when it comes to Shawn Lemon's indefinite suspension for a $100 bet. Ambrosie is kind of a bozo but to suggest he can't answer as it's Touchdown Pacific day was ridiculous. I watch the interviews to keep up on things. Farhan's wording of the question was fine. Ambrosie just keeps proving he's little more than a second rate Commissioner.

The half time inteviewers with coaches or players isn't always informative but they're part of the game that fans look forward to.
Teams need to give these guys some helpful tips on media as it helps them personally and that's what fans expect who tune in OR like me - go to most Lion games and then watch the broadcast later.


I was a bit taken aback when Nathan Rourke just abruptly - and somewhat rudely -walked off from the Farhan half time interview as it seems he didn't like Farhan's overview of his statistics. It was a side of Rourke I hadn't been aware of. Most players including those on the Lions usually express their appreciation to the interviewer and at times as they cut away you see a friendly gesture from players all across the CFL.
The 26-year-old didn’t stick around long as Lalji rattled off his statline, cutting him off and patting him on the shoulder before heading to the locker room.

“We’re up 31-6, that’s all I really care about. Thanks, Farhan.”
Farhan says he knows Rourke dislikes half time talk but:
"TSN Producer Chris Edwards overruled that strategy in Victoria, as the quarterback’s play was the undisputed storyline of Touchdown Pacific. “Chris was right. This is what we do. This is part of television,” Lalji said."
Some found the response amusing, while others felt that Rourke was demonstrating an ego and big-timing the broadcast.
This justification is a turn off:
The Victoria-born QB said he only agreed to do the interview after his head coach, Rick Campbell, made him a promise.

“I did it for Coach Campbell and he said that I wouldn’t have to do one for the rest of my career,” Rourke said. “I want to hold him to that.”
While Farhan defends him - I echo this part of his comments as fans like us pay considerable dollars for TSN and other sports channels and we expect to hear in-game/half time comments.
He’s now the highest-paid player in the Canadian Football League for next year,” Lalji remarked.

“I don’t want him to be criticized for that moment and he’s got to learn that there are more expectations when you are now the face of the league. Halftime interviews are a part of that.”




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Farhan's post game comments from Victoria where at 3:50 he speaks about the half time interview and how he was pressured to get Rourke at the half by his boss Chris Edwards of TSN.



I disagree with fans who dislike in game interviews as I like even the coaches at the half as yuu get a sense of their views by how they speak - not always the words.
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I think most criticism of Rourke after his first two appearances came from fans who typically wait with baited breath to see somebody in that situation play like crap. A fan base in a certain province east of us took particular glee in Rourke struggling. Now that Betts has been added BC has surpassed Winnipeg as public enemy #1. BC is now SMS cheaters with Doman trying to ruin the league. Many are blaming homer officiating for costing Ottawa yesterday's game.
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Hambone wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:48 pm I think most criticism of Rourke after his first two appearances came from fans who typically wait with baited breath to see somebody in that situation play like crap. A fan base in a certain province east of us took particular glee in Rourke struggling. Now that Betts has been added BC has surpassed Winnipeg as public enemy #1. BC is now SMS cheaters with Doman trying to ruin the league. Many are blaming homer officiating for costing Ottawa yesterday's game.
You are too kind and politically correct Hambone to name The Saskatchewan fan base. They can all go and pound sand. When they go over the cap it's OK, but because we go over by more they are now whining.

Kudos to Doman as long as the rules permit keep spending to put the best product on the field that gives us the best chance to win. The BC fans deserve it.

TSN halftime interviews are useless and rarely provide us with any useful informstion. As far as Rourke goes he is out to silence all the doubters. He feels the pressure and he will deliver.
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Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:02 pm I think I heard Glen Suitor say on TSN again that Rourke had 1 practice pre-Bombers and it was actually 3.
I'm not sure what Suitor said in this game but he previously said Rourke had only one practice with his starting receivers in his first week back, which is a point I made at the time. Alex Hollins and Justin McInnis missed practices with minor injuries that week. The starters were together for only the third and final practice of the week before the home game against Winnipeg.
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B.C.FAN wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:53 pm
Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:02 pm I think I heard Glen Suitor say on TSN again that Rourke had 1 practice pre-Bombers and it was actually 3.
I'm not sure what Suitor said in this game but he previously said Rourke had only one practice with his starting receivers in his first week back, which is a point I made at the time. Alex Hollins and Justin McInnis missed practices with minor injuries that week. The starters were together for only the third and final practice of the week before the home game against Winnipeg.
While he may have participated in 3 practices the first 2 would not have been anything like they would have had he been with the club the week or two before. The first one for sure would have been like an introductory practice. Nathan? Meet your new playbook. Study hard. There will be a test tomorrow. Nathan meet Justin. Nathan meet Ayden. Nathan meet William. Nathan meet your new centre Michael. And so on.
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Hambone wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 6:44 pm
B.C.FAN wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:53 pm
Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:02 pm I think I heard Glen Suitor say on TSN again that Rourke had 1 practice pre-Bombers and it was actually 3.
I'm not sure what Suitor said in this game but he previously said Rourke had only one practice with his starting receivers in his first week back, which is a point I made at the time. Alex Hollins and Justin McInnis missed practices with minor injuries that week. The starters were together for only the third and final practice of the week before the home game against Winnipeg.
While he may have participated in 3 practices the first 2 would not have been anything like they would have had he been with the club the week or two before. The first one for sure would have been like an introductory practice. Nathan? Meet your new playbook. Study hard. There will be a test tomorrow. Nathan meet Justin. Nathan meet Ayden. Nathan meet William. Nathan meet your new centre Michael. And so on.

Yes, I think during the Bombers broadcast I heard it that way.

I saw the 3 practices and even in the first one Nathan ran plays but he was taking a lot of time looking at the wrist band clearly challenged to recall the terminology.

I felt he knew the routes better than he knew the play calls.

Timing and accuracy and chemistry are never going to be there in that short of time in games even if a QB has a full TC and some pre-season work.

I was thinking that the criticism of Rourke noted by JC Abott and others was thinking Lion fans. I wasn't aware of other team's fans jumping on his play. That to me is typical of opposing fans. I was actually surprised that casual fans I know weren't critical of Rourke's first two games but as I said earlier they are all familiar with his play the before he left for the NFL and all believe this guy will be outstanding once he's fully settled in.
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Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:22 pm
Toppy Vann wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:34 pm The view of the park etc and the energy from the players given how they were touching the crowd coming out onto the field looked incredible on TV despite some tech issues (or maybe it my cable) during the event including us missing three OTT plays as there was a communication issue.




Two interviews yesterday were a bit of a turn off for me and an affront to TSN's Farhan Lalji who in my years watching him can't recall an interviewee taking issue with his questions.

I was a bit taken aback when Nathan Rourke just abruptly - and somewhat rudely -walked off from the Farhan half time interview as it seems he didn't like Farhan's overview of his statistics. It was a side of Rourke I hadn't been aware of. Most players including those on the Lions usually express their appreciation to the interviewer and at times as they cut away you see a friendly gesture from players all across the CFL.
The 26-year-old didn’t stick around long as Lalji rattled off his statline, cutting him off and patting him on the shoulder before heading to the locker room.

“We’re up 31-6, that’s all I really care about. Thanks, Farhan.”
Farhan says he knows Rourke dislikes half time talk but:
"TSN Producer Chris Edwards overruled that strategy in Victoria, as the quarterback’s play was the undisputed storyline of Touchdown Pacific. “Chris was right. This is what we do. This is part of television,” Lalji said."
Some found the response amusing, while others felt that Rourke was demonstrating an ego and big-timing the broadcast.
This justification is a turn off:
The Victoria-born QB said he only agreed to do the interview after his head coach, Rick Campbell, made him a promise.

“I did it for Coach Campbell and he said that I wouldn’t have to do one for the rest of my career,” Rourke said. “I want to hold him to that.”
While Farhan defends him - I echo this part of his comments as fans like us pay considerable dollars for TSN and other sports channels and we expect to hear in-game/half time comments.
He’s now the highest-paid player in the Canadian Football League for next year,” Lalji remarked.

“I don’t want him to be criticized for that moment and he’s got to learn that there are more expectations when you are now the face of the league. Halftime interviews are a part of that.”
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/01/the- ... interview/
I was not going to wade into this topic and its potential for controversy but what the heck! :wink:

Overall, Toppy, I agree with your expressed thoughts and with Farham's post-game comments regarding the half time Rourke interview. You offer sage advice. Half time interviews are part of media sports coverage these days, as well as the many other media expectations on players and coaches. The media brings significant dollars to the league and to player salaries.

For example, there was a time when, if a stadium was not sold out for a game, there was no televised coverage of that game. But that has not been the case for a long time now as televised sports contracts most often bring much more money than the paying gate customers. There was a time when the NFL was a poor sister to the CFL, which offered better salaries to football players. But with the advent of Monday Night Football, followed by the massive boon of media coverage of NFL football, American football became a behemoth, and those advertising dollars, merchandising dollars, etc, etc. led to massive increases in player salaries and the value of NFL franchises.

In other words, media coverage of football created wealthy NFL owners and wealthy pro NFL players with many living in mansions and living high end lifestyles. The CFL was not able to grow and thrive financially like the NFL due to the fact that we have a much smaller population in Canada and therefore a smaller viewing audience. When pro football's financial health was driven more by gate receipts than media coverage, the CFL was a top dog but once televised sports became the cash cow, the NFL's rose in fame and fortune.

Still, the 6-year extension signed by TSN and the CFL in 2019 is worth around 50 million dollars and ensures the CFL's financial viability. TSN and the CFL are ' like peanut butter and jelly, maple syrup and pancakes, or a perfectly executed flea-flicker play'.

Farhan is right. Nathan Rourke will be the highest paid player in the CFL next year and needs to do his part, in terms of promoting the game and participating in half-time TSN interviews is an expectation of that these days.

However, with that said and recognizing that the half time interview is now considered part of the 'package' of media coverage, I really believe the pendulum has swung too far.

In todays' game, we not only have the pre-game interview, the half-time interview of coach or player, and we have coaches and players interviewed after each game with the post-game press conference. We drag players and coaches out in front of the media quickly after what can be a devastating loss after a highly emotional and intense game and expect them to answer what can often be inane questions. Even worse, we ask them questions at half time, when there is such little time for the players and coaches to have a short break and make some important adaptations that can often determine the outcome.

Even worse, we stop a game right in the middle of an important drive, when momentum can be significant to that drive for a televised time out. Yes, football needs the media for its financial success and even its financial survival but these days, too often the media is the tail wagging the dog. Even worse is miking up players - ok - for a one-time feature for an inside look but miking up players, while playing such an intense sport, was far too intrusive for the sport.

To go on a slight tangent, I remember a time when Canucks coverage was so intrusive I not only knew what the Sedins ate for breakfast, how many times they peed in a day, and what they did during their leisure time each weekend. The word fan comes from fanatic and therefore there are some fans and jock sniffers out there who can never get enough personal detail of the players of the team they are fans of.

But for all things in life, there needs to be boundaries and limits. A little mystery is not such a bad thing, in one's love life and in sport. :wink: I do not need to know how Nathan Rourke is feeling at half-time. I do not need to know what he ate for breakfast. I do not need to hear him 'miked' up. I do not want to watch an ad for Fritos or Depends in the middle of Rourke leading a game determining drive. I'm ok, if after a heart-breaking loss, he might like a little time to process things before seeing a mike shoved in his face.

I also am aware that players are given media training these days to provide vanilla answers such as 'We executed better this game but there are still things we need to work on. We need to execute better next game, "We need to take it one game at a time', "We need to continue with the process", We didn't make enough plays" etc. etc. Rare is one going to get any real insight.

Worse is when the media asks some 22-year-old pro football player, just out of college, who has mostly spent his time in the weight room, football practices, and hanging with his buddies in dorms, for his deep life philosophical thoughts to share in order to 'enlighten' us fans.

But with that said, its unwise to walk forwards when everyone else is walking backwards or to like the color white when everyone else is liking purple. In other words, it is the way it is and its been that way for a while so its unwise of Nathan to fight it, no matter what his personal feelings are.

A good lesson can be learned by watching the careers of Don Matthews and Wally Buono. Mathews despised the press and media and they were not fond of him. Wally was very accessible. There was not a microphone Wally was not in love with. He would also voluntarily phone to sports radio and also secretly contact specific sports reporters with private and confidential information, which they could utilize ahead of time, and look good in their next article or on air comments.

Matthews made sports reporters lives difficult at times whereas Buono played the media like a fiddle, was a continuous vanilla quote machine, and did so, not just to promote the game and the Lions but importantly to also promote himself.

One only has to look back at both careers and see the media coverage of both. If Matthews team was struggling, the media was calling for his head. If a Buono team was struggling, only the players were usually blamed by most of the sports media and certainly Buono, in his role as GM, usually also escaped responsibility. History can provide perspective and guidance.

While I empathize with Nathan, he needs to be wise. It's a media driven age in sport, and he will need to step in line.
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Good comments by all. Taking an average rather than dwelling on a high or a low can sometimes tell a truer tale. Long story short, TD Pacific was exactly what the Lion's needed. I'm happy for everyone involved. A renewed sense of optimism fills the air.

Trouble with the CFL is there is little time to celebrate a win and another cross country trip to Montreal this week. Last 4 games were Vancouver, Ottawa, Victoria, Montreal. Surely they can do better even if they do it to reduce greenhouse gases from airplane emissions.

Montreal is a big game and winnable imo. If it does end up Lions meet Ottawa again this year TD Pacific will have set an interesting precedent.
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Not to beat a dead horse but TSN had MBT at the half and post game and he expressed appreciation for the moment.
Also, BLM was both on at the half but joined the panel post game as they were killing on-air time before the CGY-ELKS game.
They were both chosen as both were stories from the first half and the game.


Blitz, I used to work DT and had a parking spot so drove to games and during the Don Matthew years when he found a dislike for the media by the time I got to the car the long post game show was over. Now with Sky Train, the post game shows with an hour of call ins are long gone it seems. During my 8 years in Hong Kong, for overseas fans the radio show post game was good for fans to connect.


I like the coaches at the half too as at times you see in their eyes if they think they're coming back or not even though they aren't divulging anything.

The other thing about the highest players on a team is that means less money for other players and as I heard Brian Hayes tell Jay Onrait about the 49ers Brock Purdy surrounded by talent is that next year his relatively lower contract will be over and the 49ers won't be able to afford all those guys.
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I can't remember if it was in Bob Ackles book "Waterboy" or Jim Taylor's book "Hey Honey Give Me Rewrite". Apparently Matthews' disdain for the media was so well known that when Ackles was going through the process of hiring a new HC to replace Vic Rapp local Vancouver sports media was lobbying Ackles to not hire "The Don".

It's tough to compare the approaches different players have to interacting with media. Some never met a microphone they didn't like or didn't want to talk to. Others not so much. Rourke obviously is very uncomfortable with it. Conversely BLM is very open to it. That he would avail himself to the TSN panel should be no surprise given he haa frequently worked on said panel during the playoffs and could very well make a post-footba career out of being a permanent member of it. He's extremely comfortable doing that. It certainly didn't hurt that he turned in arguably his best performance since before he started getting hit with injuries 5 or so years ago.
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Re: Touchdown Pacific: Lions vs. Redblacks game thread

Some players get "up" for a game by emotional Raw Raw speeches, or throwing or smashing things. So I will give Rourke a pass for being too into a game or too focused to give half time interviews. However if he agreed to do an interview this one time and only one time, he should have put more of an effort into it.
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