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Hambone wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:59 am
don corleone wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:51 am
Not sure what kind of market there could be for a #2 with Streveler signing for $120,000. Shiltz or Cornelius would be a good additions. Shiltz may be a bit more accurate, Cornelius may have more upside. Either one at $120,000 would be a great deal.
Either one should be in that range. I think Shiltz would be the safer option. Cornelius may have more upside but in a GC hosting year that upside isn't worth much unless he achieves it immediately. I think BC needs to secure the guy who is the better QB in 2024, not the guy who might be the better QB in 2025 or 2026.
I agree. Shiltz and Cornelius are at the top of
my list, in that order. Shiltz is a much better fit for B.C.’s intermediate and deep passing game. With a similar amount of passing attempts last year, Shiltz outperformed Cornelius by a wide margin in completion percentage (67.1 to 58.9), efficiency rating (99.8 to 70.3), yards per pass attempt (9.7 to 7.5) and 30-yard completions (13 to 8). Off all a available QBs, he is the most ready to be a regular starter.
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Shiltz is a competent back-up QB who can move the offense and put up some points. He has limitations but is a sound choice as a #2. Cornelius's reputation took a hit last season but it really was a tire fire in Edmonton and I think he tried to do too much (or too much was expected of him). I believe he has more upside than Shiltz and knows Western Division teams.

Dolegala has the best arm, no question (he had two 400-yard + passing yard games in 2023 with a below-average receiving corps!). He would actually be my choice but I don't believe McEvoy goes in that direction because he's not likely as adept at running Adams' offence as the other two.



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We have heard very little about Hladik and what are his possible destinations. With Awe being a FA would the Stamps consider borrowing a page from BC and going all-national at LB, joining Cameron Judge. The Elks? Riders? Back east?

Since Woods re-signed for $125,000 and Lokombo has re-structured for the same price I could see the Lions holding firm at $150,000 max.
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Going by CFL.ca transactions it appears Gary Peters may have been released. I see no re-addition to the roster. Hmmmm
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don corleone wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:18 am
Going by CFL.ca transactions it appears Gary Peters may have been released. I see no re-addition to the roster. Hmmmm
Peters, TJ Lee and Vernon Adams all renegotiated last week but the CFL listed their deletions and additions in reverse order. Their old contracts were deleted and new ones added on Feb. 1.
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Dolegala has the best arm, no question (he had two 400-yard + passing yard games in 2023 with a below-average receiving corps!). He would actually be my choice but I don't believe McEvoy goes in that direction because he's not likely as adept at running Adams' offence as the other two.



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We Lions fans should remember one of those 400+ games well as it was at BC Place on Sept 29th. While he did throw for 409 it was with 0 TDs and 2 picks more than half his yardage came in the 4th quarter when BC went into soft "prevent-winning" defence. while sitting on a 33-11 lead and the Riders not doing much of anything offensively. 128 of the 409 came in the final 2:25 as the Riders would drive for a TD, recover the onside kick and drive for another TD. That was all after TJ Lee's pick with under 5 to go and BC still sitting on the 33-11 lead. That should have sealed the deal.
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$230,000 per with $120,000 up front is a sweet deal for Jermarcus Hardrick and obviously one he did not turn down. I think the Bombers push Neufeld out to Tackle to replace him.

Still say Landon Rice made more sense.
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All true, Hambone. But the larger point is the guy knows how to sling the ball. Yes, some late season brain fog (passes that shouldn't have been thrown) but I still maintain he is the best pure passer of the FA bunch. He didn't have nearly the weapons at his disposal in Sask that he would have here.


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don corleone wrote:
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$230,000 per with $120,000 up front is a sweet deal for Jermarcus Hardrick and obviously one he did not turn down. I think the Bombers push Neufeld out to Tackle to replace him.

Still say Landon Rice made more sense.
Drew Richmond will be the new starting RT in Winnipeg. He's been with them since 2019 but only saw action in 2 games. After finally drawing in for his first game in 2021 he suffered a hellacious knee injury that kept him out the entire 2022 season. Healthy again he made the Bombers roster as backup tackle in 2023 finally starting in place of Bryant when they rested him late in the season. He's still under contract for 2024.
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don corleone wrote:
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$230,000 per with $120,000 up front is a sweet deal for Jermarcus Hardrick and obviously one he did not turn down. I think the Bombers push Neufeld out to Tackle to replace him.
That's a pretty nice deal for a guy who was cut by Jeff Tedford in offseason workouts in his CFL rookie debut with the Lions in 2015. Hardrick didn't even make it to training camp, losing out to Kirby Fabien at left guard. The Lions had planned to go with 4 national O-linemen that year, and Jovan Olafioye was a fixture at right tackle as the lone American on the line. Tedford ended up adding a second American O-lineman, John Estes, at centre that year. Hardrick's talent and work ethic stood out in his brief tryout in Surrey but it just wasn't the right roster fit at the time.
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One thing about Winnipeg is they like to bid the players up when they know they are leaving. Sukh Chung. Drew Desjarlais for example. My guess is they were pushing SK on Hardrick.

Richmond might start the year. They prevously had James Lofton as a PR guy for a couple of years.
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Winnipeg hasn't kept Richmond around for 4 years without good reason. He could be a case of a very good player caught up in the numbers game. Bombers have steadfastly stuck with NATs in the middle and Americans at tackle. Bryant and Hardrick have missed only 7 games out of 136 combined since Richmond came in board. Richmond started 2 of the 7 including the only game any of their starting OL would miss in 2023. He couldn't do anything about 2 opportunities out of the remaining 5 that happened in 2022 as he was out for the season recovering from his 2021 season ending injury.

There's some parallels between Richmond and Broxton. Both spent quite a bit of time on the PR with lengthy disruptions due to injury. Just as Broxton need BC to let Figs go Richmond needed the Bombers to let Bryant or Hardrick go. I would submit it worked out quite well for Broxton and BC.
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Winnipeg hasn't kept Richmond around for 4 years without good reason. He could be a case of a very good player caught up in the numbers game. Bombers have steadfastly stuck with NATs in the middle and Americans at tackle. Bryant and Hardrick have missed only 7 games out of 136 combined since Richmond came in board. Richmond started 2 of the 7 including the only game any of their starting OL would miss in 2023. He couldn't do anything about 2 opportunities out of the remaining 5 that happened in 2022 as he was out for the season recovering from his 2021 season ending injury.

There's some parallels between Richmond and Broxton. Both spent quite a bit of time on the PR with lengthy disruptions due to injury. Just as Broxton need BC to let Figs go Richmond needed the Bombers to let Bryant or Hardrick go. I would submit it worked out quite well for Broxton and BC.
Bombers have kept Johnny Augusrtine around for 6 years but it still doesn't make me think he is a starting RB. We'll see what they do. Evan Johnson might be a good fit for them and appears to be available. There was earlier concern about Geoff Gray not being back. The times they are a changing in Winnipeg.

Worst part of the Riders signing Hardrick is the road block it puts in the career path of Logan Bandy, Noah Zerr, and Zack Fry along with a couple others that won't get the reps they need to get better. They talked about pushing Ferland out to Tackle which now seems unlikely. Also never mentioned a word about moving on from Brett Boyko at age 29.

2025 is already a roster disaster for them and no point drafting a O lineman. Go Riders
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don corleone wrote:
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Bombers have kept Johnny Augusrtine around for 6 years but it still doesn't make me think he is a starting RB. We'll see what they do. Evan Johnson might be a good fit for them and appears to be available. There was earlier concern about Geoff Gray not being back. The times they are a changing in Winnipeg.

Worst part of the Riders signing Hardrick is the road block it puts in the career path of Logan Bandy, Noah Zerr, and Zack Fry along with a couple others that won't get the reps they need to get better. They talked about pushing Ferland out to Tackle which now seems unlikely. Also never mentioned a word about moving on from Brett Boyko at age 29.

2025 is already a roster disaster for them and no point drafting a O lineman. Go Riders
NATs are a different kettle of fish from Americans. Many of depth NATs are kept around because they have value beyond their depth role for a given position. In many cases they are first and foremost special teams players and secondly a backup RB, LB or DB etc. Augustine is a regular on Winnipeg's kick coverage teams. He has performed well coming off the bench at tailback over his 5 seasons. Agreed while Winnipeg could use him as a spot starter he isn't looked at as a permanent solution especially as he turns 31 early in the season.

When you're an American offensive tackle you're either starting or sitting on the PR as next man up starter should an injury occur to a starting tackle. Richmond could be looked at by Bomber staff as being better than any of the NAT backups who dress and maybe one or two of the NAT starters as well. Thanks to the ratio that still won't get him into the lineup unless they want to start 3 Americans on the OL or use a DI spot on an OL. It's very rare a team uses a DI spot on an OL. They want to use those DI spots for special teams specialists and rotational DL, LB, DB or receivers.

I was reading an article a few weeks back that indicated Winnipeg might move on from Gray. The gist was despite starting all 18 in 2022 & 2023 he's never really lived up to his potential. Similar to having Richmond waiting in the wings for an opportunity they also have their replacement for Gray sitting there on their roster in Tavita Eli. Eli was drafted in 2019 drawing in for 5 games + 2 playoff games and the Grey Cup. He played all 14 plus the WDF in 2021 before being suspended for the GC due to his Covid vaccine status. He sat out 2022 before returning to the Bombers when he signed a 3 year deal last January carrying him thru 2025.

I don't know where Evan Johnson sits career-wise. Johnson was revered by Rider fans as a huge signing in 2021 like the proverbial prodigal son returning home. RiderNation has definitely soured on him since then. Last year they looked at him as being perhaps the biggest liability on their OL, an OL they believe was their biggest problem area. They are quite disappointed in the way he's played. Few tears will be shed if the local kid moves on.
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Olivera just re-upped with the Bombers. That leaves Oulette as the feature RB on FA for now.
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