B.C. at Montreal Sept. 2, 2023

[Hambone]

Anyone know if/when McGill University is planning on changing "Redmen"?

Planning? Already been done. They've been the Redbirds since late 2020.

https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels ... ide-326286

[Coast Mountain Lion]

Anyone know if/when McGill University is planning on changing "Redmen"?

Planning? Already been done. They've been the Redbirds since late 2020.

I missed that. Obviously I haven't been following Usports much recently. Thanks.

[SammyGreene]

Great to see all the Lion fans attending this game.

I forgot to ask Hambone this since he was at the game. It did seem like a solid contingent of BC fans at the game including a large cheering section for Betts near midfield.

Sure hoping he is enjoying life on the West Coast as a pending free agent in 2024. Can’t see how the Als wouldn’t go hard after a homegrown francophone star.

[DanoT]

Anyone know if/when McGill University is planning on changing "Redmen"?

^^^Probably about the same time the Ottawa REDBLACKS change their name. They should have been named the Red Wolves, a species of wolves that dwell in Ontario's Algonquin Provincial Park who only recently were discovered to be Red wolves and not the long thought to be Grey wolves.

[Hambone]

Great to see all the Lion fans attending this game.

I forgot to ask Hambone this since he was at the game. It did seem like a solid contingent of BC fans at the game including a large cheering section for Betts near midfield.

Sure hoping he is enjoying life on the West Coast as a pending free agent in 2024. Can’t see how the Als wouldn’t go hard after a homegrown francophone star.

I read about the Betts contingent the next day. I imagine Menard and Bemiy had a group of supporters too. I didn't notice them but I was sitting in the upper deck of the East side behind BC's bench. The way Molson is structured the upper deck hangs over the lower deck to the point one can't see those sitting below. I could see bits of orange scattered in the west side stands. There were 2 BC fans 3 rows above me and I saw a few more on the upper concourse at halftime. I saw lots more on the lower concourse as I was leaving and saw what might have been Betts' contingent still out in the seating area as I passed openings to the field. Also caught up to 3 guys from Penticton & Vancouver as I was walking back downtown. So yes there was a good BC turnout.

[DanoT]

While Betts might leave Vancouver for Montreal when he becomes a free agent, I still wonder what happened to Menard, another player from Quebec. Menard left the Lions a couple seasons ago to sign with the ALs but only played with them for 1 season before returning to the Lions. Why/how did the Als not re-sign Menard when the time came?

[Hambone]

While Betts might leave Vancouver for Montreal when he becomes a free agent, I still wonder what happened to Menard, another player from Quebec. Menard left the Lions a couple seasons ago to sign with the ALs but only played with them for 1 season before returning to the Lions. Why/how did the Als not re-sign Menard when the time came?

Could simply be money. No team can afford to re-sign every pending FA they would like to keep. Menard signed a one year deal worth $137K hard money and up to $152K max to return to BC. That made him the 7th highest paid DE in 2022 and may have been too rich for Montreal to meet for the role they expected him to play there. Or maybe they chose to use that money for other positional and ratio priorities. Menard has since been extended in BC and now gets $147K in hard money thru 2024.

Also it's not always about money. Menard spent 6 years in Vancouver. Maybe after returning to Montreal he found he missed the West coast or has some things going off the field out here.

[Coast Mountain Lion]

Anyone know if/when McGill University is planning on changing "Redmen"?

^^^Probably about the same time the Ottawa REDBLACKS change their name. They should have been named the Red Wolves, a species of wolves that dwell in Ontario's Algonquin Provincial Park who only recently were discovered to be Red wolves and not the long thought to be Grey wolves.

The Redblacks should have been called The/Les Raftsmen. They have the lumberjack motif already, and a ready made fight song.

[Robbie]

With all this stuff about renaming sports teams because of controversial issues, can you think of a case in which a Canadian facility, location, or landmark that was renamed but NOT because of the aforementioned aboriginal rights, nor about corporate sponsorship reasons (e.g. General Motors Place renamed to Rogers Arena) - but because of other controversial issues related to the original name? As an example, suppose a landmark is named after a person and then it was determined that person was determined a "bad" person so it was decided to eventually rename the facility?

Three examples in America:

1. The airport in Las Vegas used to be called McCarran International Airport, named after U.S. Senator Pat McCarran. It was much later determined that McCarran was an anti-semitic and racist so eventually the airport was re-named Harry Reid International Airport.

2. When you were a kid, you may have taught that the tallest mountain in North America was Mount McKinley, named after U.S. President William McKinley. But in 2015, that mountain was renamed Denali.

3. There was a college football coach award named the Joseph V. Paterno Coach of the Year award but was discontinued because Penn State child sex abuse scandal.

Any examples in Canada?

While not so much because of controversy towards the original person but rather because of someone else was more important - Canadian kids are taught that the tallest mountain in Canada is Mount Logan in Yukon. Following the death of former Prime Minister of Canada Pierre Trudeau in 2000, that mountain was almost renamed Mount Trudeau.

[DanoT]

They want to rename a bunch of streets in Toronto including Dundas St. It is going to cost millions and the city of Toronto is deep in debt. So I have a low cost solution: Instead of replacing all the street signs, they should hire a graffiti artist to repaint the street signs. Replace "n" with m, change "d" to b and add an s at the end. Then Dundas becomes Dumbass, which seems fitting.

[Sir Purrcival]

A quick search online and I found one street in Vancouver that was named after some Lt. Governor "Trutch" who turned out to be a very racist kind of individual. The street was renamed. I know that sometimes, people think the renaming of stuff or the removal of stuff is some kind of morality play run amok. But in reality names change all the time and not just in this country. Anybody been to Leningrad lately? Oh I meant St. Petersburg. There is nothing wrong with a name change here and there where there is some compelling arguments to make a change. More often than not, it seems to relate to people who were venerated in ways that only looked at their prominence, not their actual character. And often these honours were decided on in times when people didn't seem to see past their own ethnic group when it came to deciding who got a monument or a street or a building. I wouldn't say every suggestion should be adopted but I do long for a return to a time where we named things like ships and arena's and such properly. Not just some kind of sponsor brand name or after politician. If you are going to name something in honour of someone, seems that there are lots of stellar choices rather than some hack who walked the halls of power for some reason.

[Dusty]

I wouldn't say every suggestion should be adopted but I do long for a return to a time where we named things like ships and arena's and such properly. Not just some kind of sponsor brand name or after politician. If you are going to name something in honour of someone, seems that there are lots of stellar choices rather than some hack who walked the halls of power for some reason.

I yearn for the day that BC Place is named Terry Fox Stadium.

[Hambone]

A quick search online and I found one street in Vancouver that was named after some Lt. Governor "Trutch" who turned out to be a very racist kind of individual. The street was renamed. I know that sometimes, people think the renaming of stuff or the removal of stuff is some kind of morality play run amok. But in reality names change all the time and not just in this country. Anybody been to Leningrad lately? Oh I meant St. Petersburg. There is nothing wrong with a name change here and there where there is some compelling arguments to make a change. More often than not, it seems to relate to people who were venerated in ways that only looked at their prominence, not their actual character. And often these honours were decided on in times when people didn't seem to see past their own ethnic group when it came to deciding who got a monument or a street or a building. I wouldn't say every suggestion should be adopted but I do long for a return to a time where we named things like ships and arena's and such properly. Not just some kind of sponsor brand name or after politician. If you are going to name something in honour of someone, seems that there are lots of stellar choices rather than some hack who walked the halls of power for some reason.

And New Westminster removed the statue of Judge Matthew Begbie from in front of their courthouse. He had presided over the trial that led to the hanging of 5 Tsilhqoh'tin chiefs who were involved in the Chilcotin War.

Haven't been to Leningrad lately but was there in 1989.

[Toppy Vann]

Anyone know if/when McGill University is planning on changing "Redmen"?

The McGill Redbirds (formerly the McGill Redmen) and McGill Martlets are the varsity athletic teams that represent McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

I watched the Kansas City Chiefs season opening game introduction and these days it's now a bit of a shocker to see the tomahawk chop.

In that vein, the Tomahawk restaurant in NV has lots of indigenous things in there including a totem pole out front.

https://tinyurl.com/TomahawkRestaurant