That is a weird rule. I thought that the ball must have rolled out of bounds, but not shown on TV, and then rolled back inbounds and then Williams deliberately stepped out of bounds and then picked up the ball. Weird but well coached.
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That is a weird rule. I thought that the ball must have rolled out of bounds, but not shown on TV, and then rolled back inbounds and then Williams deliberately stepped out of bounds and then picked up the ball. Weird but well coached.
I think I had a good line on that kick and am certain only his foot was out. Now that's it mentioned it was deliberate what happened made sense as it was confusing. I forgot to PVR this but I thought his foot was out, then he gets ball in his hands and then the whistle. I'd have thought the rule that you can't go deliberately go out of bounds and then come into a play would have prevailed there but it didn't.
Apparently the NFL has the same rule. Lucky Whitehead is credited with reminding Williams of the rule after Janarion Grant missed an opportunity to do the same thing earlier in the game on a kickoff in front of the B.C. bench.
I wondered about that too but perhaps it’s because there are two weeks left in the regular season. The Lions are accustomed to finishing the season at home. I don’t think fans have been asked to vote for their favourite players. Perhaps we’ll get a chance to honour the outstanding players at a home playoff game.TheLionKing wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:43 pmBeing the last home Lion game in the regular season, why didn't they announce the Outstanding, Top Lineman, Most Popular players ?
I tend to agree with your interpretation. A player putting himself out of bounds deliberately and then touching the ball is a very different scenario than a player who may have touched or be on the out of bounds line but hasn't further had chance to absent himself from the play. I suppose trying to determine intent might present a challenge. Saw this play in the NFL a few years ago in a highlight package and it was exactly the same scenario. In that case, the kick returner had to lay down with his feet on the sideline in order to reach the ball to then make it an illegal kickoff. There was no doubting what the intent was there as much the way it seemed in this case. I guess you could swing the other way on this and make it just a straight illegal participation penalty regardless. Part of me suspects however that the league might want to try and discourage no matter how subtly the kick to the sidelines play. If it starts burning the kicking team, the tendency will be to kick it closer to the centre to minimize the risk of opposing teams taking advantage of this rule. Kicking teams don't like this because it provides better opportunities for big run backs. In the League's relentless quest to provide a more exciting game, I could see the reasoning going forward not to do anything about the status quo.maxlion wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:44 pmMy final comment on this:
The note under the illegal participation rule seems determinative to me.
It is illegal for a player of either team to go out of bounds, without contact with an opponent, and to reach back into or re-enter the field of play to touch or recover a loose ball.
Note: When the ball hits a player who is out of bounds and not attempting to touch or recover it, the ball is considered out of bounds at that point regardless of how the player got out of bounds.
It specifically contemplates this very situation and clarifies that the ball is only out of bounds when it hits a player who is not attempting to touch or recover it. Otherwise, it is illegal participation for a player to reach back into the field of play to recover a loose ball as Williams did.
This may be different from the NFL rule.
Well just to put some context on it. The Lion's had this game in hand at a couple points and bad play and penalties let Wpg keep hanging around. If it was a full WPG squad of starters, the Lion's would have paid big time for their lack lustre ability to control to the end of the game. The fact that they were facing a bunch of 2nd stringers and still struggled to put the game away made if feel that really it was a loss. Had they been facing a competent, fully rostered Blue Bombers, this game wouldn't have been a W. A good team with a lot of the line should have been able to manage a stout defense and a lot more ball control. In fact, they looked almost as inept if not more so than a Wpg team with a bunch of replacement players who had nothing on the line to play for except field time.
Fair enough, but for full context the Lions were without Rourke, Burnham, Whitehead, Norman, Mackie, Breaux, Banks, Gwacham and Greene, most or all of whom should be back for the playoffs, if not sooner.Sir Purrcival wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:02 amWell just to put some context on it. The Lion's had this game in hand at a couple points and bad play and penalties let Wpg keep hanging around. If it was a full WPG squad of starters, the Lion's would have paid big time for their lack lustre ability to control to the end of the game. The fact that they were facing a bunch of 2nd stringers and still struggled to put the game away made if feel that really it was a loss. Had they been facing a competent, fully rostered Blue Bombers, this game wouldn't have been a W. A good team with a lot of the line should have been able to manage a stout defense and a lot more ball control. In fact, they looked almost as inept if not more so than a Wpg team with a bunch of replacement players who had nothing on the line to play for except field time.
What seems to be lost in this 'Winnipeg played lots of back-ups' (eleven, I believe) narrative is that we played with a lot of 2nd stringers too due to injury.Sir Purrcival wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:02 amThe fact that they were facing a bunch of 2nd stringers and still struggled to put the game away made if feel that really it was a loss. Had they been facing a competent, fully rostered Blue Bombers, this game wouldn't have been a W.
"For weeks, the story of the B.C. Lions’ defence has been their failure to get the momentum-changing turnovers for which they were so well known in the early going. That changed in a big way when halfback Marcus Sayles broke on an out route after Dru Brown muffed a snap in the first quarter, racing 45 yards to the endzone for a pick-six."
"Alexander is the type of defender who routinely plays on the edge and sometimes crosses the line, which I believe was the case here. Unfortunately, the press box conversation after the game was that Rhymes felt well enough to cross the hallway to the Bombers’ locker room and attempt a confrontation with the safety — the second time the Lions have been accused of that type of behaviour this year.
I have made my thoughts on that issue abundantly clear and will not change them. Post-game altercations of any kind are embarrassing at an organizational level and hopefully the Lions crack down hard in this instance, unlike last time."