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Re: Rod Pedersen - what a tool!

swervynmerv wrote:Living in Saskatchewan and being a Lions fan, I have a different perspective on Rod. I know him personally and he is a real great guy and a very good brodcaster. In this market however; he plays to the Saskatchewan crowd, in particular the "new" younger fan who does not know the years of brutal play the Riders were known for over the course of most of their history.

Calling the Riders "Canada"s Team", when in fact the only people who cheer for them are Saskatchewan people, those at home and those who have moved to other provinces( in large droves in the 80's and 90's) and playing the "us" against "them" card is part of the new Saskatchewam mentality after being the poor step-child for so many years.

It used to bug me alot but now I just take it with a grain of salt. What can you expect from a fan base that has only won 3 Grey Cups in 102 years!! :tease:
I just don't get the need to continually prop up these urban myths they've come to believe out there. Did they do that at BCP in the past? I'm really not sure. Possibly in the dark days 0f 2001/02 when many crowds were down in the 15000 range. It's a rumour that floated around a little bit back then but seems like has been largely forgotten everywhere except out in Saskatchewan. Out there they continue to fiercely defend the rumour as being fact and current practice with the same determination of a 200# Rottweiler protecting his favourite bone.

I was going to suggest if this was 1600AD he'd be still promoting the world being flat but then I remembed out there that really is true.
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Re: Rod Pedersen - what a tool!

Heard on the radio yesterday that last week Chamblin asked the stadium guys to crank the PA system for announcing and the music. Isn't that similar?
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Lions Fan in SK wrote:Heard on the radio yesterday that last week Chamblin asked the stadium guys to crank the PA system for announcing and the music. Isn't that similar?
Once the 20 second clock starts the PA system is turned off. The fans are so loud that they don't need any piped in noise at Taylor Field.

I love the piped in noise myth at BC Place as it infuriates the opposition fans who are silly enough to believe it.

Pederson will say anything to be controversial and get attention. It is how he furthers his career. Didn't you hear? Rod has it from reliable sources, or so they say on RiderFans, TILLMAN WILL BE BOMBERS GM next year.
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David wrote:Even if what he thought he heard was true - and I'm not buying it - can he be sure it wasn't the Lions D practicing at the time with simulatated crowd noise?


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David you just answered your own question.
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sj-roc wrote:On top of the bogus noise issue, whoever is saying 11 crowd-factor penalties went against BC is dead WRONG. We only had nine penalties TOTAL against us, and that includes two that were declined:

* two offsides (one on offence, the other on defence was declined)
* two procedure calls
* one time count violation
* two holding calls (one was declined and the other was offset by a coinciding Ssk illegal contact foul)
* one illegal punt
* one bogus offensive pass interference call.

So there were really only four BC penalties that could arguably be put down to crowd noise. Whoever came up with 11 has trouble counting, but of course we all know counting has historically been a challenge for those flatlanders :twisted:
I was at the game in Regina and the Maxitron was posting that it was the 11th time this season that the crowd was a factor in illegal procedure/time count penalties against the opposition. Mr. Petersen obviously must have been enjoying his pillseners way to much to get his facts straight.

It actually is not a bad stat that they keep and it certainly pumps their crowd up when they post it on the maxitron after the opposition takes a procedure or time count penalty. I would like to see B.C. adopt the same kind of count as I am sure that the B.C. Lions fans have caused more than only 11 procedure/timecount penalties in our home games this season.

As far as crowd noise it was loud at Mosaic but sorry Rider fans it is not nearly as loud as B.C. place. But this is common knowledge to everyone but the Rider fans and is the reason that the Rider fans constantly complain that B.C. Place pipes in music as they just cannot accept that the fan noise in the dome is the loudest in the CFl.
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Stamps had a time count violation and an illegal procedure on the same drive in the 4th quarter last night
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MacNews wrote:
David wrote:Even if what he thought he heard was true - and I'm not buying it - can he be sure it wasn't the Lions D practicing at the time with simulatated crowd noise?


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David you just answered your own question.
Really?? Did I answer correctly? :wink:


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It's also a bit far fetched to attribute crowd noise as the cause for time counts, procedures and defensive offsides. Damon Allen was good for at least 1 time count per game regardless of the game being at home or on the road in front of 50000 or 15000. Case in point last night Dean Valli was flagged 3 times for procedure and Jesse Newman was flagged on the first or second play after he came in to replace Valli when he was injured early in the game. Crowd noise was not a factor there and they still happened.
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Hambone wrote:It's also a bit far fetched to attribute crowd noise as the cause for time counts, procedures and defensive offsides. Damon Allen was good for at least 1 time count per game regardless of the game being at home or on the road in front of 50000 or 15000. Case in point last night Dean Valli was flagged 3 times for procedure and Jesse Newman was flagged on the first or second play after he came in to replace Valli when he was injured early in the game. Crowd noise was not a factor there and they still happened.
Nevertheless, having an unofficial stat, regarding fan noise/involvement is a great way to get the fans jacked up.
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Hambone wrote:It's also a bit far fetched to attribute crowd noise as the cause for time counts, procedures and defensive offsides. Damon Allen was good for at least 1 time count per game regardless of the game being at home or on the road in front of 50000 or 15000. Case in point last night Dean Valli was flagged 3 times for procedure and Jesse Newman was flagged on the first or second play after he came in to replace Valli when he was injured early in the game. Crowd noise was not a factor there and they still happened.
Nevertheless, having an unofficial stat, regarding fan noise/involvement is a great way to get the fans jacked up.
Yep, there's definitely a psychological factor at play here. It creates community among the fans, makes them feel they're a part of the event and it's a part of the game experience you can't get from watching the game at home. It might be true that crowd noise doesn't really hurt the opposition's offence, but that's not immediately obvious to the more casual fan. On the other hand it's definitely clear that it doesn't HELP. Why else do you see offensive players urging silence from home fans when they get too loud?
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A little off topic here but I would like to see the club experiment with a little less PA announcing from the sidelines (Chris Palliser) and use the scoreboard more to induce the crowd. Maybe a noise meter, or maybe clips from previous games when Lions fans have stood up and cheered a defensive stand with the caption "Stand And Deliver." Regardless, I think we're capable enough to make noise organically (it actually happened in the 4th quarter last night. He actually shut up on one Calgary drive and the crowd knew their job was to make life difficult for Kevin Glenn and company. :thup:).

Anyway, it's worth experimenting.

(as a side note, they nearly turned the corner on the "BBBBBBB!" "CCCCCCC!" chant last home game. It needed just a little more push. A bigger crowd like we saw last night just might have made it work. But did they try it?? NO! :thdn:)


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David wrote:A little off topic here but I would like to see the club experiment with a little less PA announcing from the sidelines (Chris Palliser) and use the scoreboard more to induce the crowd. Maybe a noise meter, or maybe clips from previous games when Lions fans have stood up and cheered a defensive stand with the caption "Stand And Deliver." Regardless, I think we're capable enough to make noise organically (it actually happened in the 4th quarter last night. He actually shut up on one Calgary drive and the crowd knew their job was to make life difficult for Kevin Glenn and company. :thup:).

Anyway, it's worth experimenting.

(as a side note, they nearly turned the corner on the "BBBBBBB!" "CCCCCCC!" chant last home game. It needed just a little more push. A bigger crowd like we saw last night just might have made it work. But did they try it?? NO! :thdn:)

My strongest memory of the original Crazy George was his drum and the BBBBB CCCCC chants. For me, its just not the same without that guy.

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