Bench Lulay

[WestCoastJoe]

I'm starting to worry about Lulay. He is no longer that young or that inexperienced, and I don't see him progressing much.

The more I see of him, the less promising he looks.

I could be wrong, and he could turn it around, but it all seems pretty iffy right now.

If Calvillo packed it in after this year, I would bet significant money that Trestman could take Lulay and make him into a bona fide star in this league.

Hufnagel and Dickenson might be able to also. IMO ...

Lulay is starting to show some shell shock. Burris would fall apart operating in Lulay's situation. Calvillo probably would too. Just having to learn the signals might do that. IMO ...

[TheLionKing]

I'm starting to worry about Lulay. He is no longer that young or that inexperienced, and I don't see him progressing much.

The more I see of him, the less promising he looks.

I could be wrong, and he could turn it around, but it all seems pretty iffy right now.

If Calvillo packed it in after this year, I would bet significant money that Trestman could take Lulay and make him into a bona fide star in this league.

Hufnagel and Dickenson might be able to also. IMO ...

Lulay is starting to show some shell shock. Burris would fall apart operating in Lulay's situation. Calvillo probably would too. Just having to learn the signals might do that. IMO ...

That's probably because both Trestman and Hufnagel have competent Offensive Coordinators who know what they're doing.

[CatsEyes]

Yes because it's Lulay who is dropping balls, missing blocks and tackles, and running a stale offense. Get real.

[DanoT]

It is so frustrating to watch the Lions throw Lulay to the wolves game after game. Why is it that the fans point out game after game that young QBs need running plays and screen passes and roll outs to help them out but coaches can't see this or implement this?

I hate watching the boring Lions offence. At least the D isn't playing flag football anymore and we get to watch the D a lot.

[joe kapp22]

Yes because it's Lulay who is dropping balls, missing blocks and tackles, and running a stale offense. Get real.

I listened to Farhan Laji's (sp) interview post game on Team 1410, and what he said struck me:

"In 10 yrs, I have never seen a more inept offensive performance from a Wally Buono coached team, it was pathetic"

That really made an impact, I also think ST should not get a pass as Wpg could just hit a long return whenever they wanted to hit on one, the ST seemed flat and uninspired, a part of that thinking is, how could we be down 27-10 and the game for all purposes be over? As Laji said "they packed it in during the 3rd qtr".

Once again, he saw same thing I saw

To amplify things, we tried to run the Edmonton protection, where a Wr slides into the formation to provide extra blocking, but we were running slide protection and the G-C-G was simply not handling their Gap Responsibilities in either slide protection, or in the Zone concept, and that area on the Oline is manned by players who have been in the league for a while.

[Toppy Vann]

Yes because it's Lulay who is dropping balls, missing blocks and tackles, and running a stale offense. Get real.

Lulay is not lighting it up but he is far from THE problem with this offense.

Lucky he fares better than Buck did for criticism but catseyes is right here.

Buono would be saying the same thing and he too would be right.

Right now no one is taking any real responsibility for the Lions mess right now . Wally probably will blame the fans next.... right? And he being all the right things, right?

[Blue In BC]

C'mon. Lulay has some talent and he's started about 16 games. Even AC took about 4 years before he started to look like he good be a keeper.

I'm sure the Bombers would love to have Lulay, so go ahead and trade him to us.

Lulay might still be learning the game but the problems go way deeper than QB for the Lions.

[Blitz]

C'mon. Lulay has some talent and he's started about 16 games. Even AC took about 4 years before he started to look like he good be a keeper.

I'm sure the Bombers would love to have Lulay, so go ahead and trade him to us.

Lulay might still be learning the game but the problems go way deeper than QB for the Lions.

The problems do go deeper than Lulay for sure;. However, Dickenson, Printers esepcially, Buck Pierce, and Jarious Jackson all took their lumps and Lulay has to be expected to take some too...mostly unfair that is. However, Lulay is now stuck in that zone that Buck and Jarious were before him, that Printers was in both times he was here, and that Dickenson got stuck into during most playoffs. The zone is that a quarterback on our Leos can look very ordinary or less when he is mired in an offensive scheme or play calling that is not up to snuff.

We've put too much heat on our quarterbacks...Dickenson held the ball too long, Printers couldn't read a defense, Buck gets hurt too often, Jarious throws long too often, Lulay is not accurate, etc. However, all have been stuck in an offence that made it challening to perform in.

Last night Lulay's frustration finally showed as it has in the past with Dickenson, Printers, and Jackson. For those writing that Lulay has only played in 16 games the fact is that Printers, Pierce, and Jackson all performed better as rookie starters and Lulay has enough experience. Howwever, while I anticipate better games from Lulay in the future, I also do not expect him to get much better overall as long as Chap is running the offence. Quarterbacks in Chap's system tend to become more robotic, less instinctive, and less mobile as time goes on. They also tend to get more frustrated.

For anyone who thnks Reilley is the answer, there is no answer. If Dickenson could not find the answer during most of our playoff encouters, when we had the best offensive talent in the league, no other quarterback is going to be able to perform the magic we hope from him.

[Coast Mountain Lion]

C'mon. Lulay has some talent and he's started about 16 games. Even AC took about 4 years before he started to look like he good be a keeper.

I'm sure the Bombers would love to have Lulay, so go ahead and trade him to us.

Lulay might still be learning the game but the problems go way deeper than QB for the Lions.

The problems do go deeper than Lulay for sure;. However, Dickenson, Printers esepcially, Buck Pierce, and Jarious Jackson all took their lumps and Lulay has to be expected to take some too...mostly unfair that is. However, Lulay is now stuck in that zone that Buck and Jarious were before him, that Printers was in both times he was here, and that Dickenson got stuck into during most playoffs. The zone is that a quarterback on our Leos can look very ordinary or less when he is mired in an offensive scheme or play calling that is not up to snuff.

We've put too much heat on our quarterbacks...Dickenson held the ball too long, Printers couldn't read a defense, Buck gets hurt too often, Jarious throws long too often, Lulay is not accurate, etc. However, all have been stuck in an offence that made it challening to perform in.

Last night Lulay's frustration finally showed as it has in the past with Dickenson, Printers, and Jackson. For those writing that Lulay has only played in 16 games the fact is that Printers, Pierce, and Jackson all performed better as rookie starters and Lulay has enough experience. Howwever, while I anticipate better games from Lulay in the future, I also do not expect him to get much better overall as long as Chap is running the offence. Quarterbacks in Chap's system tend to become more robotic, less instinctive, and less mobile as time goes on. They also tend to get more frustrated.

For anyone who thnks Reilley is the answer, there is no answer. If Dickenson could not find the answer during most of our playoff encouters, when we had the best offensive talent in the league, no other quarterback is going to be able to perform the magic we hope from him.

What I liked about Lulay last year is that often he would be bold enough to say screw Chap and make his own adjustments on the fly, usually with positive results. This year he's stuck more into the mold (or is it mould, as in fungus) and going along with Chap's scheme, and it's showed. Last night maybe that boiled over.

[Blitz]

"What I liked about Lulay last year is that often he would be bold enough to say screw Chap and make his own adjustments on the fly, usually with positive results. This year he's stuck more into the mold (or is it mould, as in fungus) and going along with Chap's scheme, and it's showed. Last night maybe that boiled over." coast mountain lion

You really have to look closely at what Chap does to quarterbacks! Printers is having a rookie starter MVP year in 2004 and 2/3 of the season into it and we kick Burratto upstairs to spot and Chap goes down to the sidelines and calls the plays and the offence and Printers start to stuggle. Dickenson, in order to make the offence work, has to hang in the pocket and take a huge beating each game but cannot overcome Chap's system in the playoffs in 2005 and 2007. Buck Pierce starts off great but over time becomes more robotic and less effective. Jarious Jackson has a great rookie season as a starter under Kruck and has never been the same since Chap returned. Printers looks magical again in his brief stint in 2010 but like Buck before him, by 2010, he is robotic, injured, and ineffective.

There really is something wrong when our quarterbacks play better as rookie starters in their first number of games and then regress. Perhaps the worst regression was watching Buck, who went from being a really excitng quarterback to a quarterback throwing 4 yard passes on second and 10. Its good to see him playing more his style again in Winnipeg.

Lulay looks great in his first starts in 2010 but is regressing in a number of areas.

What happens is that our quarterbacks dont' say 'screw Chap' when they initially start for us but in game action they go by their instincts. Over time, those instincts are drummed out of them by Chap and they are just supposed to 'execute' Chap's offence.

Printers was exciting to watch iniitally as was Buck as was Jarious as was Lulay. Over time, they change their style of quarterbacking. Look at Lulay now. He only takes off when he is in big trouble rather than taking off by instinct when a big lane opens up, as he did initially as a starter. The great quarterbacks are given licence to do what comes naturally to them. That naturalness is taken away from our quarterbacks.

[duler10]

I know lot of people are high on Lulay but frankily watching him play this season shows me he has along way to go. He is awful at throwing the ball on the run (he just looks awkward doing it), he holds onto the ball way to long and is not very good on the deep ball. I was routing for JJ but he you have to take the good with the bad with him. He has nack to overthrow receivers both short and long and loves those interceptions but at least he tries the long bomb. Overall, I believe it was a mistake to let Printers go. Even though he was getting frustrated at the end, I think it was more to do with his injury, do not forgot he was playing with one leg since Aug. last year. When healthy he can throw the ball on the run, go deep with accuracy and can run himself. Most of all he can make the offense exciting. All he needs to do is keep his ego and emotions in check but I guess when you are dealing with a hopeless OC like Jacques Chap who could blame him for losing it. At least he had the guts to stand up to JC and his boring offense. (unfortunately he got fired for it)

[WestCoastJoe]

I know lot of people are high on Lulay but frankily watching him play this season shows me he has along way to go. He is awful at throwing the ball on the run (he just looks awkward doing it), he holds onto the ball way to long and is not very good on the deep ball. I was routing for JJ but he you have to take the good with the bad with him. He has nack to overthrow receivers both short and long and loves those interceptions but at least he tries the long bomb. Overall, I believe it was a mistake to let Printers go. Even though he was getting frustrated at the end, I think it was more to do with his injury, do not forgot he was playing with one leg since Aug. last year. When healthy he can throw the ball on the run, go deep with accuracy and can run himself. Most of all he can make the offense exciting. All he needs to do is keep his ego and emotions in check but I guess when you are dealing with a hopeless OC like Jacques Chap who could blame him for losing it. At least he had the guts to stand up to JC and his boring offense. (unfortunately he got fired for it)

Welcome on making your first post.

Keep it up.

[btemp]

I'm starting to worry about Lulay. He is no longer that young or that inexperienced, and I don't see him progressing much.

The more I see of him, the less promising he looks.

I could be wrong, and he could turn it around, but it all seems pretty iffy right now.

You're wrong. He's had 16 games.

[B.C.FAN]

What the team needs most at all positions is stability. It's tough to do with a 1-6 record but most of the mistakes in theis game were the result of players being in unfamiliar positions.

[Tighthead]

I'm starting to worry about Lulay. He is no longer that young or that inexperienced, and I don't see him progressing much.

The more I see of him, the less promising he looks.

I could be wrong, and he could turn it around, but it all seems pretty iffy right now.

You're wrong. He's had 16 games.

16 starts, but this is his third full season here isn't it, and maybe his fifth of pro football?