Arceneaux has five NFL tryouts set: Agent

[joe kapp22]

Hoping he winds up in Miami, think he would be a good fit.

[Tighthead]

Hoping he winds up in Miami, think he would be a good fit.

I don't think that any WR is a good fit for Miami, what with not having a decent QB and all.

[joe kapp22]

Hoping he winds up in Miami, think he would be a good fit.

I don't think that any WR is a good fit for Miami, what with not having a decent QB and all.

Because they need a #2 Wr who can create more big plays and they have not drafted anyone who would be a roadblock for his path to the roster, they have 3 Wr's who are Starting Quality, then 2 UDFA's, which means his competition would boil down to straight out beating out 2 guys whom the team has little to no investment in.

[B.C.FAN]

Hoping he winds up in Miami, think he would be a good fit.

I don't think that any WR is a good fit for Miami, what with not having a decent QB and all.

Because they need a #2 Wr who can create more big plays and they have not drafted anyone who would be a roadblock for his path to the roster, they have 3 Wr's who are Starting Quality, then 2 UDFA's, which means his competition would boil down to straight out beating out 2 guys whom the team has little to no investment in.

Arceneaux's prospects in Miami aren't very good, according to a Dolphins columnist for the Bleacher Report:

The 23-year-old Arceneaux measures in at 6'2" and 211 pounds, but he runs a 40-yard dash between 4.5 and 4.6 seconds and is not exactly what you would call a vertical threat.

While he is drawing interest from handful of NFL teams, it's still likely he's going to get a very inexpensive two- or three-year deal, with the deciding factors being signing bonus and opportunity.

If signed by the Dolphins, Arceneaux would join the Dolphins eight-man deep offseason wide receiver group in hopes of competing for a roster spot during this summer's preseason.

Arceneaux is obviously someone that interests the Dolphins, but he is not an elite prospect and certainly doesn't bring with him the dominant resume that Wake did.

While there is always a chance he could blossom given the right situation and tutelage, Arceneaux could just as easily be the next Ryan Grice-Mullen or Rolly Lumbala rather than Cameron Wake.

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[WestCoastJoe]

While there is always a chance he could blossom given the right situation and tutelage, Arceneaux could just as easily be the next Ryan Grice-Mullen or Rolly Lumbala rather than Cameron Wake.

Ouch. I think he has a much better chance than RGM or Lumbala did to stick in the NFL.

Wake was a rare one. And we knew it when he was here.

3 sacks in his first game.

The hubbub from TC when he showed he could jump over the moon.

Just a wild talent.

[joe kapp22]

FWIW Manny A has reported to have been running 4.4's to 4.5's in workouts for NFL clubs

At a recent tryout with the Chicago Bears, Arceneaux shocked the scouts and coaching staff by running an amazing 4.4 in the 40-yard dash. The Bears were impressed with Arceneaux’s speed, considering his size.

According to his agent, Bardi Ghahremani, Arceneaux has ran between 4.4 and 4.5 in most of his NFL workouts. Ghahremani as well said that the CFL star receiver is more concerned with having a legit opportunity to make an NFL team than money.

[B.C.FAN]

FWIW Manny A has reported to have been running 4.4's to 4.5's in workouts for NFL clubs

B.C. Lions receiver Emmanuel Arceneaux has worked out for six NFL teams, and is expected to meet with the Seattle Seahawks next week.

At a recent tryout with the Chicago Bears, Arceneaux shocked the scouts and coaching staff by running an amazing 4.4 in the 40-yard dash. The Bears were impressed with Arceneaux’s speed, considering his size.

According to his agent, Bardi Ghahremani, Arceneaux has ran between 4.4 and 4.5 in most of his NFL workouts. Ghahremani as well said that the CFL star receiver is more concerned with having a legit opportunity to make an NFL team than money.

Arceneaux is expected to sign with a NFL team in January, but if he decides to stay in the CFL, he has an offer from the Lions on the table.

That can make a huge difference. In an offseason workout, measurables are extremely important. For a wide receiver, 4.4 is considered fast, 4.5 is nothing special and 4.6 is slow.

[Tighthead]

These days, players can improve their 40 times without actually getting faster - just learning a few techniques that tidy up their form. I think teams look more for burst and quickness than just raw 40 times - they are better at judging football speed than they were 15 years ago. I think a bad 40 time does more damage than a good time helps.

Of course, Manny may have actually learned how to explode out of the blocks better. Lots of guys just get by on athleticism without actually ever being taught.

[WestCoastJoe]

FWIW Manny A has reported to have been running 4.4's to 4.5's in workouts for NFL clubs

At a recent tryout with the Chicago Bears, Arceneaux shocked the scouts and coaching staff by running an amazing 4.4 in the 40-yard dash. The Bears were impressed with Arceneaux’s speed, considering his size.

According to his agent, Bardi Ghahremani, Arceneaux has ran between 4.4 and 4.5 in most of his NFL workouts. Ghahremani as well said that the CFL star receiver is more concerned with having a legit opportunity to make an NFL team than money.

For a guy his size, his times in the 40 seem excellent. He is a very fluid runner. At times his hands are excellent. He has shown ability to run after catch with the Lions.

I recall a crossing pattern with the Lions where he just ran away from guys all the way to the end zone. No one even got close despite having the angle on him.

I recall in Training Camp when he made 3 would-be tacklers miss along the sideline in a tight area.

I would say his potential is excellent. He has shown flashes of excellence with the Lions. And he has shown a fair bit of accomplishment with the Lions in his two years here.

Given the right opportunity in the NFL, if he finds his comfort zone, I would not be surprised if he can be an excellent contributor to a team.

[joe kapp22]

Well Wcj, for me I really want Manny A to head down South and to tear things up as our beloved CFL to me, has a message to send.

"We play great football up here"

[WestCoastJoe]

Well Wcj, for me I really want Manny A to head down South and to tear things up as our beloved CFL to me, has a message to send.

"We play great football up here"

I hear ya, ed. And I feel the same way.

Guys gotta go and get paid market value.

And there are more guys behind them. And there are plenty of super talented athletes for the CFL.

And our game, the CFL, is a better product most of the time. IMO much of the time the NFL games are BORING, despite their bigger, stronger, but not more talented athletes.

[Hawkballer 14]

It is easy to fall in love with the very over-rated 40 time. Personally, I hate it.

How many times will a player run 40 yards, in a straight line, unencumbered? A handful of times in a season, maybe? A good coach is able to find the players that don't necessarily fit the desired numbers but can bring it between the whistles.

I wish Manny would spend the 2011 season with the Lions, put up some solid numbers opposite 81 (80-1400-10?) and try in 2012 with a much-solidified resume.

[Lions4ever]

It is easy to fall in love with the very over-rated 40 time. Personally, I hate it.

How many times will a player run 40 yards, in a straight line, unencumbered? A handful of times in a season, maybe? A good coach is able to find the players that don't necessarily fit the desired numbers but can bring it between the whistles.

I agree with this. The 40 time was just something a coach pulled out of his @ss - in this case, Paul Brown because he figured that's as far as a football player needed to run so he needed to know what speed a guy went overe that stretch. Now, Brown was an innovator and a smart guy and there's a certain logic to the 40 but it's evolved into this iconic measurement out of proportion to its real importance.

Sure you'd like your receiver to be super fast and beat the DBs in a footrace to the end zone but that's what you have downs for.

[WestCoastJoe]

Re the 40 ...

I agree that it can be taken out of context. And that it can make a guy look better or worse than he is as a player.

It's a bit like having a guy with a rocket arm (Ryan Leaf) who is missing many of the other attributes that a QB needs.

On the other hand, I do believe it is useful for teams to know the relative speed of the athletes. In that context I believe the 40 certainly makes more sense than the 100. It is also useful to know how strong and fit the athletes are, etc.

The measurement process is loaded with problems. Even the interview process can be misleading.

The bottom line is: Can the guy play? Size, speed, even intelligence in some cases, can be over-rated.

Is it a crapshoot? Not necessarily. Over time the best judges of talent come out ahead on their rosters. Look at the Alouettes under Popp, the Lions under Buono, the Steelers in the NFL, etc.

Arceneaux, IMO, has good enough speed flat out, and especially reacting to the ball, and running with the ball after the catch, to be very effective as a player, in the CFL, or the NFL, if he gets that chance.