Foley signs..with the Argos

[The_Pauser]

cant blame a guy from wanting to play at home where his friends and family are.

I am quite sure that when he was saying he was coming back to BC, he wasnt expecting an offer from the argos. At least thats a possibility. People are allowed to changed their minds without being labelled bad because of it.

You can change your mind sure, but you don't announce that you're coming back to a team and then go off and sign with another team. Had Foley simply signed with the Argos from the get-go there would be no issue. Had the Lions simply announced Foley was coming back, but Foley doesn't go out and do an interview, then it makes the Lions organization look bad.

But with what has transpired, Foley looks like a complete backstabbing jerk. My only regret is that the Argos won't make it far enough in the playoffs to play BC again this season.

[sj-roc]

cant blame a guy from wanting to play at home where his friends and family are.

I am quite sure that when he was saying he was coming back to BC, he wasnt expecting an offer from the argos. At least thats a possibility. People are allowed to changed their minds without being labelled bad because of it.

But the point is, it wasn't a done deal here so why did he act like it on the radio this morning?

[The_Pauser]

cant blame a guy from wanting to play at home where his friends and family are.

I am quite sure that when he was saying he was coming back to BC, he wasnt expecting an offer from the argos. At least thats a possibility. People are allowed to changed their minds without being labelled bad because of it.

But the point is, it wasn't a done deal here so why did he act like it on the radio this morning?

Based on the quotes provided by WCJ in another, similar thread. It seems to me that Wally basically asked Foley if he is 100% certain that he wants to be here, even after agreeing on the terms of the contract, and that made Foley reconsider one final time...after all of this other stuff had happened.

[WestCoastJoe]

Based on the quotes provided by WCJ in another, similar thread. It seems to me that Wally basically asked Foley if he is 100% certain that he wants to be here, even after agreeing on the terms of the contract, and that made Foley reconsider one final time...after all of this other stuff had happened.

I agree, Pauser, that one would have to know if Wally intentionally or accidentally gave Ricky an out if he wanted it.

Wally had a binding contract from the very second they agreed on the terms.

Wally then sent the contract terms to league office.

The signatures can come later, but the contract is already in force, if Wally had chosen to fight for it.

Wally did not give him a chance to back out of the contract until later. If you keep giving "chances" to change your mind you do not have a deal at that point.

[joe kapp22]

Based on the quotes provided by WCJ in another, similar thread. It seems to me that Wally basically asked Foley if he is 100% certain that he wants to be here, even after agreeing on the terms of the contract, and that made Foley reconsider one final time...after all of this other stuff had happened.

Wally had a binding contract from the very second they agreed on the terms.

Wally then sent the contract terms to league office.

The signatures can come later, but the contract is already in force, if Wally had chosen to fight for it.

Wally did not give him a chance to back out of the contract until later. If you keep giving "chances" to change your mind you do not have a deal at that point.

Maybe, there is typically a dollar amount where contracts have to be in written form to be binding, which is perhaps what the CFL relied on when they said "nothing to see here"?

[The_Pauser]

Wally had a binding contract from the very second they agreed on the terms.

Wally then sent the contract terms to league office.

The signatures can come later, but the contract is already in force, if Wally had chosen to fight for it.

Wally did not give him a chance to back out of the contract until later. If you keep giving "chances" to change your mind you do not have a deal at that point.

Agreed. I just question the timing of this:

"I told Ricky, 'Talk with your family, but the one thing I don't want you to do is get on a plane to B.C. and then regret it', because then we have an unhappy player and we have a disgruntled player that we've made a financial investment with and then he's not going to give you what you want," Buono told Team 1040 radio. "I guess between that time and 2:00 today he's had a change of heart...

When was that original time? Was it after the two sides agreed to terms? Or was it well beforehand? Because if it was before, then exactly what you say holds up. But if it was after they agreed to terms then it appears as if Wally is giving Foley a chance at an out. Not too sure how the latter makes much sense, but it is something I would like to see clarified.

[WestCoastJoe]

When was that original time? Was it after the two sides agreed to terms? Or was it well beforehand? Because if it was before, then exactly what you say holds up. But if it was after they agreed to terms then it appears as if Wally is giving Foley a chance at an out. Not too sure how the latter makes much sense, but it is something I would like to see clarified.

Yeah. We don't know if Wally gave him an out.

I would not want Wally negotiating on my behalf.

You talk back and forth. Go over the details. Agree on everything. Contract.

And then he says: "Talk to your family. To be sure that you want to do that." That introduces an out clause. Dumb. Failure in contract negotiating class.

[Ravi]

http://communities.canada.com/theprovin ... agent.aspx

Foley was to sign on arrival, the Braley Argos offered 30k more than the Braley Lions did...

Why does Ullrich say that it is difficult to "take this league seriously at this moment"? It isn't the league's fault that Foley changed his mind.

[KnowItAll]

When was that original time? Was it after the two sides agreed to terms? Or was it well beforehand? Because if it was before, then exactly what you say holds up. But if it was after they agreed to terms then it appears as if Wally is giving Foley a chance at an out. Not too sure how the latter makes much sense, but it is something I would like to see clarified.

Yeah.

I would not want Wally negotiating on my behalf.

You talk back and forth. Go over the details. Agree on everything. Contract.

And then he says: "Talk to your family. To be sure that you want to do that." That introduces an out clause. Dumb. Failure in contract negotiating class.

but grade A in Humanity class.

[Lionheart]

cant blame a guy from wanting to play at home where his friends and family are.

I am quite sure that when he was saying he was coming back to BC, he wasnt expecting an offer from the argos. At least thats a possibility. People are allowed to changed their minds without being labelled bad because of it.

But the point is, it wasn't a done deal here so why did he act like it on the radio this morning?

It was a done deal. Contract agreed upon, and sent to the league. Binding.

I want the Lions to purrsue this, if not legally, then with the league for draft pics to let him out of his agreement with the Lions. I'm sick of this *poop*.

[Lionheart]

http://communities.canada.com/theprovin ... agent.aspx

Foley was to sign on arrival, the Braley Argos offered 30k more than the Braley Lions did...

Why does Ullrich say that it is difficult to "take this league seriously at this moment"? It isn't the league's fault that Foley changed his mind.

It's up to the league to now step up and say NAY.. rickie is already bound to the Lions, we cannot sign off on this argo contract. That is what this is about.

[Lionheart]

WCJ, Blake Price just made an interesting point. If Wally makes a stink, is he not going against his boss in a way? Isn't that what may be holding this up?

Interesting.. that is why Blake is the best I guess.

[Jim Mullin]

*poop*. If he didn't agree to terms, what was he doing in the media talking about how happy he was to return to the Lions? What a joke. I guess in the future the Lions won't be announcing anything before the contract is "literally" signed.

Blame the PR department for insisting on putting a release out without a signed deal in an effort to beat certain reporters to the finish line.

If any of you were listening to NW at noon while everyone else was buying it hook, line and sinker... you would have heard both Lowell Ullrich and myself NOT buying into the release. Until the deal was signed, I knew the Argos were still in play.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/Sports ... ID=1278923

[Rammer]

*poop*. If he didn't agree to terms, what was he doing in the media talking about how happy he was to return to the Lions? What a joke. I guess in the future the Lions won't be announcing anything before the contract is "literally" signed.

Blame the PR department for insisting on putting a release out without a signed deal in an effort to beat certain reporters to the finish line.

If any of you were listening to NW at noon while everyone else was buying it hook, line and sinker... you would have heard both Lowell Ullrich and myself NOT buying into the release. Until the deal was signed, I knew the Argos were still in play.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/Sports ... ID=1278923

It seems to me that the league will also have to consider the Braley factor in all of this, it will have a play in the final outcome. Much like when Flory committed to Saskatchewan and then felt football sick for Montreal.