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Big Time wrote:He'll be hired by the Argos by the end of the week.
Rider brass are about to determine his future with their organization...
Rod Pedersen wrote:In light of the events that have taken place this morning affecting General Manager of the Club, Eric Tillman, President/CEO Jim Hopson has asked that a special meeting of the Board of Directors of the Club be held as soon as reasonably possible to consider all relevant aspects of this new development.

Pending resolution of this matter, the Club and Mr. Tillman have agreed that he should step back and he will not have any responsibilities for the day to day operations of the Saskatchewan Roughrider Football Club.

While an early resolution is desirable for all concerned, no further statement will be made until the Club has completed its deliberations on this development.
I do find it rather interesting that Hopson is suggesting that this turn on ET's is new to him. I would think that ET's council would have made this path to ET known very early on, and that ET knew that this would be the course that he would take long ago, not just on the eve of his trial. I guess he may have been holding out for hope that this would somehow disappear before the trial date.
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I heard that, due to all the publicity and media attention, he had to enter the Regina Provincial Courthouse from the rear. :tease:

His defense claimed that he was under two medications at the time. Yea, one was Viagra and the other Cialis. :wink:

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This whole situation is unfortunate for the victim and her family, Eric and his family and the Riders and their fans.

Don't forget that the victim and her family has forgiven Eric and do not want him to lose his job over this, which makes me think that this is more than just black or white, methinks.
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I think its black and white, he did it and now admits it, can't see how more black and white it can get. I feel sorry for the victim and her family ,and for Tillman's family, but not for Tillman himself. I wonder why he waited so long and by doing so caused further stress to the victim and speculation about her involvement, only to plead guilty. So while the victims family probably wants it all to "go away" to protect their daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also would like a few minutes alone with Tillman, I know I would!
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ziggy wrote:I think its black and white, he did it and now admits it, can't see how more black and white it can get. I feel sorry for the victim and her family ,and for Tillman's family, but not for Tillman himself. I wonder why he waited so long and by doing so caused further stress to the victim and speculation about her involvement, only to plead guilty. So while the victims family probably wants it all to "go away" to protect their daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also would like a few minutes alone with Tillman, I know I would!
Disagree - why would they want him not to lose his job over this, then?
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To help the situation go away. Many in Regina have said they know who the girl is. What would she face, if the family said that they wanted Tillman's head on a platter (i.e. fired)? I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes in that situation. Let's look back at the manure situation and the beer throwing. Maybe that's how it should be resolved .... Tillman put on the field at Mosaic and have a bunch of angry fans throw beer at him.

Personally, I think he should be out of the CFL period. Yes, he's a good football man ... not necessarily a good person. JMO
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Vern Halen wrote:
ziggy wrote:I think its black and white, he did it and now admits it, can't see how more black and white it can get. I feel sorry for the victim and her family ,and for Tillman's family, but not for Tillman himself. I wonder why he waited so long and by doing so caused further stress to the victim and speculation about her involvement, only to plead guilty. So while the victims family probably wants it all to "go away" to protect their daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also would like a few minutes alone with Tillman, I know I would!
Disagree - why would they want him not to lose his job over this, then?
Very good question Vern. Do they fear their daughter may be villified by some Rider fans? Perhaps they don't want their daughter to go through anymore stress about this incident? Maybe they even got a little payola? Who knows! I can't see how anyone can say it isn't black and white if he admits to it! Unless you're suggesting the victim somehow encouraged his behaviour?

The only explanation I can give is that the family is far more understanding than I could ever be!
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Vern Halen wrote:
ziggy wrote:I think its black and white, he did it and now admits it, can't see how more black and white it can get. I feel sorry for the victim and her family ,and for Tillman's family, but not for Tillman himself. I wonder why he waited so long and by doing so caused further stress to the victim and speculation about her involvement, only to plead guilty. So while the victims family probably wants it all to "go away" to protect their daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also would like a few minutes alone with Tillman, I know I would!
Disagree - why would they want him not to lose his job over this, then?
The motives could be wide ranging but if you want one possibility.

1. The Riders are very important to the province of Sask
2. Like him or not, ET has helped to make the Riders a team that most fans there are happy with
3. Losing him is likely to invite some negative reactions towards both the girl and her family because of the knob factor of some fans. (We have already seen a few suggestions about her possible role and her fathers alleged request for money to drop the case).
4. Publicly stating forgiveness takes them off the hook for any negative outcome in regards to Tillman's future employment (we didn't ask for this to happen).

At the end of the day maybe she has forgiven him and so on but I am just as inclined to believe that she wants all of this go away and that even though she may cope with it well, will never ever be able to forget it. She gets to carry this incident with her the rest of her life through no fault of her own.

I don't think anyone wins in this situation but one poster at RF said it best when he basically pointed out that ET has staunchly asserted his innocence and has dragged this scenario out for a year only to plead guilty. Was he lying? I'm not sure but that to me is more problematic than even the incident. I don't condone his actions but sometimes judgment can be affected by drugs. What was his excuse for his claims of truth and innocence? Was it stress? Did his lawyer make him say it? Do we even care? Had he said, I can't/won't comment on this until the legal process is complete that would have been just fine. That isn't what he did. That makes me wonder about the truthfulness about everything else he as claimed. As the face of the Riders, you can't profess to be a beacon of conduct and at the same time do what he did both on the day in question and subsequently. He made a bad mistake, one that I think might have been survivable had he either stepped up right away and said "I messed up" or at the very least let it play out in court before making a statement about the merits of the situation. His subsequent actions suggested someone who knew they had done wrong but was looking for some angle to avoid taking responsibility until all the angles were gone. He set the board and now has no pieces left to play. That isn't the kind of image that any football team wants to shoulder. I feel sorry for everyone connected with the situation including Rider fans, the families involved and the Riders organization. ET however, while not Jack the Ripper, doesn't get anything from me for the mess he now finds himself in.
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IMO, it is more a case of inappropriate behavior with a minor, than actual sexual assualt. He may have simply been trying to be funny or something a long that line. I know sometimes when my wife is bending over doing something, I will do the same thing, even though I dont have any intent on engaging in actual sexual activity at that moment. I dont like tillman any more, but I think this thing is being blown out of perportion and peoples reaction very knee jerk.

I would also suggest that tillman "dragged it out" because he did not think that what he did amounted to sexual assault, and it took his lawyer, and perhaps his family, to finally convince him to plead guilty.

I myself have plead guilty to something I didnt really beleive I was guilty of.
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Robbie wrote:Eric Tillman will plead guilty.
I think this man's face will be labeled for a very long time as a sex offender! Tell your kids to avoid this pedophile, even though he brought the Grey Cup to the city in 1994.
robbie, if I were Eric I'd call my lawyer and consider slander.
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Lionheart wrote:
Robbie wrote:Eric Tillman will plead guilty.
I think this man's face will be labeled for a very long time as a sex offender! Tell your kids to avoid this pedophile, even though he brought the Grey Cup to the city in 1994.
robbie, if I were Eric I'd call my lawyer and consider slander.
He would be way too embarrassed to dare do such a thing.
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Do I think Eric should lose his job? No

Do I think he deserves to lose his job? No

Do I think Eric is a great GM? Yes

Do I not wish (if Sask has a good GM that year) that Sask will lose their gm for whatever reason every year? YES.

This conflict weights heavy on my heart.

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Sir Purrcival wrote:
Vern Halen wrote:
ziggy wrote:I think its black and white, he did it and now admits it, can't see how more black and white it can get. I feel sorry for the victim and her family ,and for Tillman's family, but not for Tillman himself. I wonder why he waited so long and by doing so caused further stress to the victim and speculation about her involvement, only to plead guilty. So while the victims family probably wants it all to "go away" to protect their daughter I wouldn't be surprised if they also would like a few minutes alone with Tillman, I know I would!
Disagree - why would they want him not to lose his job over this, then?
The motives could be wide ranging but if you want one possibility.

1. The Riders are very important to the province of Sask
2. Like him or not, ET has helped to make the Riders a team that most fans there are happy with
3. Losing him is likely to invite some negative reactions towards both the girl and her family because of the knob factor of some fans. (We have already seen a few suggestions about her possible role and her fathers alleged request for money to drop the case).
4. Publicly stating forgiveness takes them off the hook for any negative outcome in regards to Tillman's future employment (we didn't ask for this to happen).

At the end of the day maybe she has forgiven him and so on but I am just as inclined to believe that she wants all of this go away and that even though she may cope with it well, will never ever be able to forget it. She gets to carry this incident with her the rest of her life through no fault of her own.

I don't think anyone wins in this situation but one poster at RF said it best when he basically pointed out that ET has staunchly asserted his innocence and has dragged this scenario out for a year only to plead guilty. Was he lying? I'm not sure but that to me is more problematic than even the incident. I don't condone his actions but sometimes judgment can be affected by drugs. What was his excuse for his claims of truth and innocence? Was it stress? Did his lawyer make him say it? Do we even care? Had he said, I can't/won't comment on this until the legal process is complete that would have been just fine. That isn't what he did. That makes me wonder about the truthfulness about everything else he as claimed. As the face of the Riders, you can't profess to be a beacon of conduct and at the same time do what he did both on the day in question and subsequently. He made a bad mistake, one that I think might have been survivable had he either stepped up right away and said "I messed up" or at the very least let it play out in court before making a statement about the merits of the situation. His subsequent actions suggested someone who knew they had done wrong but was looking for some angle to avoid taking responsibility until all the angles were gone. He set the board and now has no pieces left to play. That isn't the kind of image that any football team wants to shoulder. I feel sorry for everyone connected with the situation including Rider fans, the families involved and the Riders organization. ET however, while not Jack the Ripper, doesn't get anything from me for the mess he now finds himself in.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he NEVER said he was innocent - he said "the truth will come out and justice will prevail". There was much hand-wringing over the fact that never said "I'm innocent" at the time either.

Ultimately, he manned up, entered a guilty plea and we move on.

Let me ask you this:

If the court imposes an absolute discharge, the offender will be regarded as not having been convicted of the offence. The offender cannot be subsequently charged with the offence. If someone wasn't convicted of an offence, then are they presumed not guilty of the charge, even though he entered a guilty plea? It's convoluted and open to interpretation.

It's not as cut and dried and black and white as some would want.

As far as not saying he was guilty off the top, his lawyer Aaron Fox is one cool customer...a very shrewd lawyer.
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Will this incident become comparable as the Tiger Woods scandal? Likely not.

But according to his biography at:
http://www.saskriders.com/page/administration

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The 51-year-old was born in Jackson, Mississippi. He and his wife Francine have two children - Alexandra (5) and Jackson (4).

I wonder if the prefix ex- will soon be added in his biography.
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