As for Printers today

[The_Pauser]

An elite QB, Like say Flutie, can at least partially compensate to make a game somewhat better and keep fans hopeful, even expecting, a miracle comeback, at least till the 4th Quarter. Many here have been claiming that CP is elite. I am saying that he is not. Not blaming the loss on him, but he still could have done better. IN same game situations, he reacts and thinks better when things are going well. Thats my main point. That is why he is good, but not yet elite. Not yet to be worshipped.

I wouldn't call Flutie elite...I'd call him a generational talent. There has not been a QB in the league to be as dominant as Doug Flutie was since he left the game. Casey Printers is elite in that he's one of the top QB's in the league, but even he isn't as good or nearly as dangerous as Doug Flutie was.

Put Henry Burris or Ricky Ray or even Anthony Calvillo behind center today for us and it's a similar story. In fact, AC and RR probably would have been sacked a lot more, and Burris would probably have put up a similar outing as Printers did.

[The_Pauser]

I expected, that there would be criticism of Printers at any opportunity, from some fans who will never like him. However, to blame Printers for the interception is hilarious. There are scramble rules for a rollout. Simon was coming back to the football and Printers was out of room on the sideline.Printers threw the football before Simon made his turn. Ask any football coach whose responsibility the play was and he'll tell you it's was Simon's. If Simon was going to turn he needed to do it earlier than he did.

Printers didn't look flustered at all and was trying to rally and encourage his ofence in the first half. He got a frustrated in the second half a litlte, towards the end, and who wouldn't have, with the dropped footballs, the interference, the relentless pressure, the hits that he took, the number of times he threw the football with a guy hanging all over him, the poor offensive line play, etc. Printers bought time to make the throws that he did. Buck would have been sacked 10 times in that game and would have been throwing four yard passes with us behind three touchdowns. We had 13 first downs to Montreal's 12 in the first half and close to 200 passing yards. Of course, Montreal didn't need many first downs to score.

I can understand why you might want to give Pauser a hard time because he's tough on Jarious but Casey gave us our best hope to win. Montreal was very worried about him. Printers made some great throws under pressure. Printers supporting cast was not good enough, not Printers. Lulay demonstrated that being a quarterback out there against Montreal today was hell.

I love you. Lol...you're a genius.

[prairielion]

I agree with Blitz. To blame this loss on Printers would be ridiculous.

[pennw]

Don't take what I posted in this thread as serious criticism of Printers ( If some of those comments are directed at me that is ) . I'm not blaming this loss on Printers myself , this was another very bad performance of the whole team , just like some of those losses in which JJ and BP got slagged for a whole team loss . BP and JJ benefited from extremely bad o-line play themselves along with atrocious D . But some one here would never allow such excuses for those two QB's when they posted bad numbers in adverse conditions and made sure we all knew just about every day of the season how that was unacceptable . Just showing him what it feels like to have that sort twisted logic tossed at him .
Today Printers had the Als D in his face almost immediately and no doubt that translated into a bad performance , but that's the same conditions both our other QB's faced most of the season . JJ for instance got blamed for intercepts whether they were tips by receivers or not , poor completion % number regardless of how many bad drops receivers had or if d-linemen were in his face one second after the snap all game long , but somehow now those are viable reasons to excuse poor QB play today ?
That is bad reasoning just like it would be today , it was a team let down , like so many other games this season . Of course I want Printers back next season because he's shown to be very good this season . I just believe in applying the same fair standard to our other QB's as well .

[The_Pauser]

Don't take what I posted in this thread as serious criticism of Printers ( If some of those comments are directed at me that is ) . I'm not blaming this loss on Printers myself , this was another very bad performance of the whole team , just like some of those losses in which JJ and BP got slagged for a whole team loss . BP and JJ benefited from extremely bad o-line play themselves along with atrocious D . But some one here would never allow such excuses for those two QB's when they posted bad numbers in adverse conditions and made sure we all knew just about every day of the season how that was unacceptable . Just showing him what it feels like to have that sort twisted logic tossed at him .
Today Printers had the Als D in his face almost immediately and no doubt that translated into a bad performance , but that's the same conditions both our other QB's faced most of the season . JJ for instance got blamed for intercepts whether they were tips by receivers or not , poor completion % number regardless of how many bad drops receivers had or if d-linemen were in his face one second after the snap all game long , but somehow now those are viable reasons to excuse poor QB play today ?
That is bad reasoning just like it would be today , it was a team let down , like so many other games this season . Of course I want Printers back next season because he's shown to be very good this season . I just believe in applying the same fair standard to our other QB's as well .

No you're not applying the same standard. If Printers turned the ball over 5 times like Jarious did that one game, then we would have lost 70-18 (or even fewer points for?)

[Gerry]

KIA makes a good point.

Printers did not play well. He takes some of the blame, as well as the rest of the team, of course.

If it's fair that he gets credit, he should also take some of the blame, and he did not look good today.

The interception in the 1st quarter came at a bad time. It was a broken play, but that is supposed to be CP's forte. Simon got open and if CP had lofted it it was a TD. Instead he assumed that Simon would come back (into a worse position to make a catch) and tried to force the ball.

His play in the pocket was also not that good. He did not step up in the pocket and on several occasions ran right into the contain man for Montreal. CP lost focus, and KIA is correct that he looked flustered out there, even early in the game when we might have slowly come back.

If Jackson was really able to play, it might have made sense to pull CP in the 2nd quarter for a series or 2 and settle him down, but I guess JJ wasn't really well enough to play today.

I expected, that there would be criticism of Printers at any opportunity, from some fans who will never like him. However, to blame Printers for the interception is hilarious. There are scramble rules for a rollout. Simon was coming back to the football and Printers was out of room on the sideline.Printers threw the football before Simon made his turn. Ask any football coach whose responsibility the play was and he'll tell you it's was Simon's. If Simon was going to turn he needed to do it earlier than he did.

Printers didn't look flustered at all and was trying to rally and encourage his ofence in the first half. He got a frustrated in the second half a litlte, towards the end, and who wouldn't have, with the dropped footballs, the interference, the relentless pressure, the hits that he took, the number of times he threw the football with a guy hanging all over him, the poor offensive line play, etc. Printers bought time to make the throws that he did. Buck would have been sacked 10 times in that game and would have been throwing four yard passes with us behind three touchdowns. We had 13 first downs to Montreal's 12 in the first half and close to 200 passing yards. Of course, Montreal didn't need many first downs to score.

I can understand why you might want to give Pauser a hard time because he's tough on Jarious but Casey gave us our best hope to win. Montreal was very worried about him. Printers made some great throws under pressure. Printers supporting cast was not good enough, not Printers. Lulay demonstrated that being a quarterback out there against Montreal today was hell.

I expected, as soon as there was some mild criticism of Printers (such as that in a team game, wherein the team loses as badly as they did today, that Printers might expect to be criticized) that of course there would be those whose faith in the magical Casey would not stand for it.

I'm not a guest football coach, Blitz, and I did not play "my" football anywhere. I played rugby. But I've been a Lions fan since the 60s and have seen, and paid to see, a lot of CFL ball since that time. A lot of you guys get pretty much free reign to dump all over our coaches and most of our players on a regular and constant basis, especially now that we are not the dominant team we have been in the past, but this obsession that you all have with Printers is beyond me. I'm not getting into a fight with you guys about it because between you, West Coast Joe, and Pauser there's not enough bandwidth in the world if I reply to everyone of your posts, and quite frankly, I have other things to do.

If you're supposed to be a big football expert and you think that a healthy Pierce is not as good a quarterback as Printers, then I'm glad you're not really coaching a team I'm buying tickets to see instead of yapping on the internet like the rest of us.

I've lurked here quite a bit lately because I've only had time to scan the site on my mobile, but the past few days I've had a chance to post a little and get some stuff off my chest. You may think that I don't like Printers. Not true. I only respond to the Printer fanatics who have been dumping on everyone else all year, and I'm merely holding him to something of the same standard as every other player.

[hwgill]

I have to agree with pennw about the double standard. 3 of those turnovers were not JJ's fault, only two were.

But regardless, CP was not the problem today, just like JJ was not the problem earlier this season.

The O-line and D linebackers & secondary were again the major problem, as were the coaches. The coaches are not infallible, and saying that Wally is the most winningest coach and no criticism is acceptable for him is bull. He may have won the most games, but how many GC's has he won?

[West Coast Blue Fan]

but how many GC's has he won?

More than anyone posting on here

[KnowItAll]

but how many GC's has he won?

More than anyone posting on here

dont be too sure

[hwgill]

but how many GC's has he won?

More than anyone posting on here

Another one who thinks Wally is purrfect, doesn't make mistakes?

I think WB has shown a propensity of choking in the playoffs, winning only two with the Stamps, and one here in BC.

WB can be moved up, but I think we need a new HC, as well as new OC and DC, and a complete replacement of our secondary

[Hawkballer 14]

[quote="The_Pauser]He doesn't play well when he has 2 or 3 defensive players rushing straight at him untouched. He doesn't play well when his receivers run away from where he's passing the ball to, thus creating an interception.

I don't blame him at all for today and still feel he played okay. The defense let the team down in a major way.[/quote]

Oh man, I freaking called it.

[Hawkballer 14]

Another one who thinks Wally is purrfect, doesn't make mistakes?

I think WB has shown a propensity of choking in the playoffs, winning only two with the Stamps, and one here in BC.

WB can be moved up, but I think we need a new HC, as well as new OC and DC, and a complete replacement of our secondary

One team wins the Grey Cup every year, seven teams go home disappointed. Three titles is still three titles. Would you call Bill Belichek a choker because he's only won three Super Bowls?

As far as a completely new staff, are you serious? Give me some names of AVAILABLE candidates who are better than what we have. And you really want to spend a year acclimating the players to completely new systems? Which IS what is going to happen with new co-ordinators.

[LionSuperFan]

Casey Definintly looked flustered but going down so early ruined the game plan ,but abandoning the run was the biggest mistake the als d was able to pin their ears back and pass rush with no danger of the run. Chap has to go they practised those mis direction plays all week but we all know play action only works when you establish the run . For everyone that said Glover was better than George that was a good example of why Glover should have been cut, sloppy tackling no speed lit up all year.

[TheLionKing]

As usual the game plan was predictable. The Als were pinning their ears back and went after Printers knowing full well the Lions weren't or couldn't establish the running game. There were a couple of instances that Printers should have step up into the pocket and deliver the football instead of running around in the backfield.

[Blitz]

Casey Definintly looked flustered but going down so early ruined the game plan ,but abandoning the run was the biggest mistake the als d was able to pin their ears back and pass rush with no danger of the run. Chap has to go they practised those mis direction plays all week but we all know play action only works when you establish the run . For everyone that said Glover was better than George that was a good example of why Glover should have been cut, sloppy tackling no speed lit up all year.

I said Glover was better than George at wideside corner and since he was reinserted he was. However, Glover did not play well today, as you noted, at shortside corner, a position he hasn't practiced at all season.

I agree with you, regarding play action. You have to establish the run. Why we played Mallett and continued to play him is beyond me. As for Wally having the most victories of any CFL coach (past or present-very few present Head Coaches have been around for long) the fact is you're only as good as your last game or your last season. Wally cuts players, no matter how good they were, when they get past their prime or do not perform. The big question is whether Wally is past his prime?

Wally's coaching style is to delegate to his coordinators, not being an x and o's guy. Therefore, he is responsible for his coordinators offensive and defensive structures. Wally is not adapting. Montreal ran a reverse on their first play. Most CFL teams use a lot of zone read plays on offence along with misdirection play action. They are using a lot of motion to get guys free whereas we do a lot of lining up just before the snap, even though we move receivers around pre-snap, Offences are using a lot of pop patterns and quick slants with their slots. Defenses are using a lot of stunts whereas we just line up our four guys and have them rush the same lanes each play.

Our Leos are pros and can do more out there, if we give them the opportunities to do so.