Pacman Jones going to Winnipeg?

[MacNews]

Gordon Campbell can.

Nice try but DUI is not a felony, IIRC.

Toppy I think Pacman gets a waiver because he is a pro-sports player..that is my guess.

[Sir Purrcival]

Or he can just walk across the border.

[Lionut]

I question how a convicted felon (if it is true he was convicted) can cross the border like that? Canadians couldn't be heading south like that.

Both Pacman Jones and Charles Rogers, another NFL refugee with a criminal record whom the Bombers are looking at, would have to file for a Temporary Resident Permit. That's the permit you have to seek if your criminal record would normally make you inadmissable to Canada. Sometimes the processing of those permits takes months. If you have friends in high places, it can go very quickly. This is no different than in the States, where the office of a Congressman or Senator can help you get a Green Card almost instantly. Without that help, take a number and get in line...

[Tighthead]

I would wager that several players in the league have records similar to Rogers and Jones and we just don't know about it. Jones comes off as a complete dog, but I think he has one misdemeanor conviction for disturbing the peace.

[Lions4ever]

Gordon Campbell can.

Nice try but DUI is not a felony, IIRC.

Nice try yourself. I have no idea what a "felony" is, but DUI is definitely a criminal offense to which Campbell plead guilty (or did not contest) in a US court.

HRS Section 291-4. Driving under the influence of intoxicating liquor.

(a) A person commits the offense of driving under the influence of intoxicating liquor if:

(1) The person operates or assumes actual physical control of the operation of any vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor, meaning that the person concerned is under the influence of intoxicating liquor in an amount sufficient to impair the person's normal mental faculties or ability to care for oneself and guard against casualty; or

(2) The person operates or assumes actual physical control of the operation of any vehicle with .08 or more grams of alcohol per one hundred milliliters or cubic centimeters of blood or .08 or more grams of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of breath.

(b) A person committing the offense of driving under the influence of intoxicating liquor shall be sentenced as follows without possibility of probation or suspension of sentence:

(1) For the first offense, or any offense not preceded within a five-year period by a conviction under this section, by:

(A) A fourteen-hour minimum alcohol abuse rehabilitation program including education and counseling, or other comparable program deemed appropriate by the court; and

(B) Ninety-day prompt suspension of license with absolute prohibition from operating a motor vehicle during suspension of license, or the court may impose, in lieu of the ninety-day prompt suspension of license, a minimum thirty-day prompt suspension of license with absolute prohibition from operating a motor vehicle and, for the remainder of the ninety-day period, a restriction on the license that allows the person to drive for limited work-related purposes and to participate in alcoholism treatment programs; and

(C) Any one or more of the following:

(i) Seventy-two hours of community service work;

(ii) Not less than forty-eight hours and not more than five days of imprisonment; or

(iii) A fine of not less than $150 but not more than $1,000.

(2) For an offense which occurs within five years of a prior conviction under this section, by:

(A) Prompt suspension of license for a period of one year with the absolute prohibition from operating a motor vehicle during suspension of license;

(B) Either one of the following:

(i) Not less than one hundred hours of community service work; or

(ii) Not less than forty-eight consecutive hours but not more than fourteen days of imprisonment of which at least forty-eight hours shall be served consecutively; and

(C) A fine of not less than $500 but not more than $1,500.

(3) For an offense which occurs within five years of two prior convictions under this section by:

(A) A fine of not less than $500 but nor more than $2,500;

(B) Revocation of license for a period not less than one year but not more than five years; and

(C) Not less than ten days but not more than thirty days imprisonment of which at least forty-eight hours shall be served consecutively.

(4) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, any conviction for driving under the influence of intoxicating liquor, shall be considered a prior conviction.

(5) No license suspension or revocation shall be imposed pursuant to this subsection if the person's license has previously been administratively revoked pursuant to part XIV of chapter 286 for the same offense; provided that, if the administrative revocation is subsequently reversed, the person's license shall be suspended or revoked as provided in this subsection.

(c) Whenever a court sentences a person pursuant to subsection (b), it shall also require that the offender be referred to a substance abuse counselor who has been certified pursuant to section 321-193 for an assessment of the offender's alcohol abuse or dependence and the need for appropriate treatment. The counselor shall submit a report with recommendations to the court. The court may require the offender to obtain appropriate treatment if the counselor's assessment establishes the offender's alcohol abuse or dependence.

All cost for assessment or treatment or both shall be borne by the offender.

(d) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, whenever a court revokes a person's driver's license pursuant to the provisions of this section, the examiner of drivers shall not grant to the person an application for a new driver's license for a period to be determined by the court.

(e) Any person sentenced under this section may be ordered to reimburse the county of the cost of any blood tests conducted under section 286-152. The court shall order the person to make restitution in a lump sum, or in a series of prorated installments, to the police department, or other agency incurring the expense of the blood test.

(f) The requirement to provide proof of financial responsibility pursuant to section 287-20 shall not be based upon a revocation under part XIV of chapter 286 unless the person's license had been previously revoked under that part in the five-year period immediately preceding the revocation at issue, nor shall the requirement to provide proof of financial responsibility pursuant to section 287-20 be based upon a sentence imposed under subsection (b)(1).

(g) As used in this section the terms "driver," "driver's license," and "examiner of drivers," shall have the same meanings as provided in section 286-2 and the term "vehicle" shall have the same meaning as provided in section 291C-1.

[Tighthead]

http://www.hawaiidui.pro/

Is a OVUII / DUI in Hawaii a misdemeanor or felony charge?



In Hawaii, a DUI charge is usually a misdemeanor crime. However, habitually operating a vehicle while under the influence of an intoxicant is a class C felony. Habitually OVUII means you have three or more prior DUI convictions in the past 10 years before you received the current charge.



Definitely criminal, but not a felony conviction. It wasn't that long ago that impaired was generally a motor vehicle offense, as opposed to a criminal offense, in many jurisdictions.

[Lionut]

There are a few U.S. states where the impaired driving laws are still really soft relative to Canada. Hawaii is definitely one of them. It is worth noting, though, that CBSA can turn back Americans at the border who try to enter Canada with a previous DUI on their record. I read about one case in the Sun a few years ago about an American couple trying to come to Canada for their honeymoon. The driver had a DUI from a few years back, and the Canadian customs agent his discretionary powers to turn them both around.

[ziggy]

For anyone interested I googled DUI Hawaii and got this definition. Given the punishment Hawaii awards first time offenders I assume Gordo was charged with a misdemeanor.

Felony: A serious crime, such as murder, rape or burglary, for which there is a stricter sentence given than for a misdemeanor. Felonies are usually categorized by degrees. 1st degree felonies are the most serious class (with the highest fines and penalties), 2nd degree felonies are less serious, and so on. Many states treat DUIs that cause serious bodily injury as a 3rd degree felony. If there has been a death as a result of the DUI, it might be classified as a 1st or 2nd degree felony, depending upon the prosecutor and the situation. Some states elevate DWI to felony status even without an injury or death, if the suspect has a given number of prior DWI convictions. A felony can result in a sentence to state prison instead of county jail.

[hwgill]

Campbell pled guilty to a misdemeanor, not criminal. That was his right as a first time offender...and he has not drunk since, and voluntarily gave up his license after that (can't remember for how long though).

[Tighthead]

Campbell pled guilty to a misdemeanor, not criminal. That was his right as a first time offender...and he has not drunk since, and voluntarily gave up his license after that (can't remember for how long though).

A misdemeanor is still a criminal charge.

[ziggy]

CBC is reporting Winnipeg is NOT signing him now.

[Rick James]

As long as there are no peeler bars in Winnipeg, Pacman should be OK.

They're called scrip clubs, and they're great for being rebellion.

[B.C.FAN]

CBC is reporting Winnipeg is NOT signing him now.

Correct. Mike Kelly announced the Bombers aren't pursuing Pacman. Pacman's criminal record apparently caused problems geting him into Canada.

BLUE BOMBERS STATE 'PACMAN' JONES WILL NOT JOIN THE TEAM

THE CANADIAN PRESS
WINNIPEG -- The Winnipeg Blue Bombers won't be signing Adam (Pacman) Jones after all, and head coach Mike Kelly apologized for the way the situation was handled.

The team announced Wednesday it has ended its pursuit of the controversial ex-NFL cornerback, one day after a source told The Canadian Press that Jones had agreed to join the Bombers.

"I would like to apologize to the faithful fans and the Blue Bomber organization that this distraction took up so much of our time," Kelly said Wednesday night.

"But understand that our team is focused on the task at hand, which is representing Winnipeg and the football club to the best of our abilities in the Labour Day Classic."

A league source requesting anonymity told The Canadian Press that Jones was having trouble crossing the border into Canada because of his past legal troubles, and that played a major part in the Bombers' decision. Kelly, however, wouldn't get into specifics.

"The information that was provided concerning our interest in Adam Jones was premature and sensationalized," Kelly said.

"We had not completed all of our due diligence, and once that was completed we felt it was in the best interests of our football club that we would no longer pursue Adam Jones."

The news of Jones's possible signing had made headlines on both sides of the border as the 3-5 Bombers prepared to take on the 4-4 Saskatchewan Roughriders in Regina on Sunday.

A report on Sports Illustrated's SI.com had also quoted Bombers' director of player personnel John Murphy about the team closing in on a deal with Jones, a statement Kelly didn't know about or approve.

"Outside sources and, unfortunately, a member of our own organization spoke prematurely and that adds to the fact that we will not talk about people that are on our negotiation list, people that we are negotiating with," Kelly said. "And we will not announce anything until all the proper paperwork is in line and registered with the Canadian Football League.

"Unfortunate incidents like this are exactly what we are trying to avoid. Hopefully, all the way around people have learned lessons."

Tuesday night, Jones was in a webcam video on an Internet site talking about joining the Bombers. In the video, he mixed up the CFL with the NFL and the new United Football League.

He also showed his muscles and bragged about how he could make a huge impact on the CFL and would only stay with the Bombers until an NFL team called him.

"I am aware of the video that was posted," Kelly said. "There were many components to this decision being made and that was one of the components."

Jones is a former first-round draft pick of the Tennessee Titans who has twice been suspended by the NFL for off-field incidents. He was released in February by the Dallas Cowboys.

Jones was suspended for the entire 2007 season after he pleaded no contest to one count of conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct in connection to a shooting incident in Las Vegas. He was given a one-year suspended sentence for the charge.

The cornerback's time with the Cowboys was cut short last season for another behaviour-related suspension, an off-field scuffle with a member of the security detail provided by the team.

Before joining the Cowboys, Jones was arrested six times and involved in 12 instances requiring police intervention.

While the Blue Bombers ultimately opted to pass on Jones, CFL teams have often taken on a troubled former NFL star looking to resurrect or continue his career in Canada.

Ricky Williams spent the entire 2006 season with the Toronto Argonauts while serving a suspension for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Former NFL first-round draft pick Lawrence Phillips -- who was sentenced 10 years in jail in 2008 for seven counts of assault with a deadly weapon -- spent time with Montreal and Calgary in 2002 and '03.

Receiver Andre (Bad Moon) Rison spent the '04 season with Toronto despite having been arrested several times for failing to pay child support.

-- With files from Dan Ralph in Toronto

[WestCoastJoe]

Hooray. Good. Keep him in the States.

He couldn't find Canada on a map, let alone Winnipeg.

He also called our league the UFL, and said he hoped to be able to get back to the NFL in time for their playoffs. Good riddance.

[Rammer]

Hooray. Good. Keep him in the States.

He couldn't find Canada on a map, let alone Winnipeg.

He also called our league the UFL, and said he hoped to be able to get back to the NFL in time for their playoffs. Good riddance.

But, but, but...yeah he is a butt.