CKNW - Jimenez stayed until off-season

[Tighthead]

I'm a jerk because I want a cheap player who's getting off pretty much scott-free after ending another players career to get what he deserves? Give your head a shake.

No, you're a jerk because you advocate the concept that you actively hope a human being falls victim to an injury that ends that human being's career. That's what makes you a jerk, Jerk Bear, not to mention not much of human being.

You're welcome. Glad I could help, Jerk.

Jimenez apparently advocates that concept as well. A player fell victim to a cheap-shot that ended his career and Jimenez doesn't think twice about appealing his suspension. Call me a jerk all you want but the real Jerk is Jimenez.

What happens if his appeal is successful and he is absolved of all wrongdoing?

[Lions4ever]

I'm a jerk because I want a cheap player who's getting off pretty much scott-free after ending another players career to get what he deserves? Give your head a shake.

No, you're a jerk because you advocate the concept that you actively hope a human being falls victim to an injury that ends that human being's career. That's what makes you a jerk, Jerk Bear, not to mention not much of human being.

You're welcome. Glad I could help, Jerk.

Jimenez apparently advocates that concept as well. A player fell victim to a cheap-shot that ended his career and Jimenez doesn't think twice about appealing his suspension. Call me a jerk all you want but the real Jerk is Jimenez.

You need to keep up, Sparky. That's not the point. Elsewhere on this board I have already been abundantly clear about my opinion that if Jiminez in fact did what he is accused of doing, I never want to see him don a Lions uni again.

[Jer Bear]

Well, if we want to get into hyperbole's, and it seems you really want to, you should know that a hyperbole isn't supposed to be taken literally. He may not end up sitting out a pre-season contest but if not it will be likely Game 1 of the season, which again, is pretty much getting away with murder.

[Jer Bear]

No, you're a jerk because you advocate the concept that you actively hope a human being falls victim to an injury that ends that human being's career. That's what makes you a jerk, Jerk Bear, not to mention not much of human being.

You're welcome. Glad I could help, Jerk.

Jimenez apparently advocates that concept as well. A player fell victim to a cheap-shot that ended his career and Jimenez doesn't think twice about appealing his suspension. Call me a jerk all you want but the real Jerk is Jimenez.

You need to keep up, Sparky. That's not the point. Elsewhere on this board I have already been abundantly clear about my opinion that if Jiminez in fact did what he is accused of doing, I never want to see him don a Lions uni again.

Well as soon as the video gets released I am fairly certain you'll be on my side of the argument then, if what you say is true. Before anyone asks...no, I haven't seen the video yet but Walby, Khari Jones and Friedman have expressed that it is the DIRTIEST cheap-shot they've ever seen. So even though I haven't seen the video I am putting my faith in that these credible sources are telling the truth.

[Tighthead]

Well, if we want to get into hyperbole's, and it seems you really want to, you should know that a hyperbole isn't supposed to be taken literally. He may not end up sitting out a pre-season contest but if not it will be likely Game 1 of the season, which again, is pretty much getting away with murder.

Yes - it is getting off scott free with first degree murder.

Hyperbole is not supposed to be take seriously, but it is also not to be used to sustain reasoned argument. Lesson three.

[LFITQ]

Jimenez's situation Walby, Jones, Friedman et. al. are calling it one of the dirtiest plays they have ever seen.

And Scott Schultz, and Tillman are saying you can't tell anything from the tape and the process should be gone through to its conclusion. Matt Dunigan is saying the League is making more out of this hit than it warrants. Calgary players are saying the hit happened during the whistle, which brings into question the "after the whistle" basis for the call in the first place.

Also, it's nice how you decide to put words in people's mouths to twist things. Why don't you just quote exactly what Friedman said the others said, instead of embellishing it? Friedman said "they thought it was terrible". That is a direct quote and it is quite a bit different than one of the dirtiest plays they have ever seen as you are trying to make it out they are saying. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

Schultz actually didn't get suspended for his hit on Wynn, he was fined. Schultz payed the fine and that was the end of that story.

Team 1040 on Thursday had Scott Schultz on it and he talked about how he took it arbitration and it went in his favour - he didn't sit a suspension and he didn't pay a fine. Which is why he believes Jiminez SHOULD see it through to the end with the process. But again, why let the FACTS get in the way of your argument.

MANY people disagreed with the suspension since the purpose of the play is to have the end bite to hard on the QB.

And again, you nicely try and duck out of your initial postering.

I'll take you back to your original post in case you have forgotten it:

Going after an arbitrator shows a lot about your character,

So Jurineack, rightly or wrongly, went after an arbitrator. What does that say about his character?

Scott Schultz has admitted that he went after an arbitrator (and says Jiminez needs to go through the process too but we won't worry about that), so what, in your words above, does that say about his character?

You seem to have a problem with AJ Gass going after an arbitrator, and now Jiminez, but not when the players doing so are wearing green? Gee, think you might be showing a little bias there? Or what does that say about your character?

[Lions4ever]

Well, if we want to get into hyperbole's, and it seems you really want to, you should know that a hyperbole isn't supposed to be taken literally. He may not end up sitting out a pre-season contest but if not it will be likely Game 1 of the season, which again, is pretty much getting away with murder.

Huh?? What the Holy Hand Grenade are you talking about??

Never mind. Don't answer that.

[Disturber]

I really hope someone ends Jimenez's career with a after-the-whistle cheap shot on Sunday.

Wow. :no: Did your name lose a k Jer_ Bear.

I'm a jerk because I want a cheap player who's getting off pretty much scott-free after ending another players career to get what he deserves? Give your head a shake.

You're a jerk because:
1) You come on to our board and talk smack about an issue of which you're clearly ill-informed,
2) You are actively wishing harm on another human being,
3) You're so insecure about your precious Riders chances on Sunday that you were hoping to catch a cheap break by having a top Lions player suspended without due process.

Go back to your own board and stop trolling on ours.

[Jer Bear]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/07/26 ... nalty.html

"Defensive linemen Terrell Jurineack was suspended for one game, while the league fined teammate Scott Schultz for an undisclosed amount."

Don't see anything about a suspension there, but what do I know? I just read credible sources like CBC which obviously don't state the facts, eh?

Back to Jurineack... When you look at the 3 incidents at hand (Jimenez, Gass, Jurineack) One of these things is not like the other. Jimenez possibly ends a man's carreer on a cheap shot, Gass throws a helmet across the field and is lucky he didn't hit someone with it, while Jurineack hits a quarterback during live play only a split second after the QB dished the ball off. Jimenez and Gass blatantly went above and beyond the criteria for a suspension while Jurineack's suspension was extremely questionable at best, it was a situation where arbitration was used to actually have justice served unlike where Gass and Jimenez are quite obviously just using it as a stall tactic to get to keep playing.

[Tighthead]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/07/26 ... nalty.html

"Defensive linemen Terrell Jurineack was suspended for one game, while the league fined teammate Scott Schultz for an undisclosed amount."

Don't see anything about a suspension there, but what do I know? I just read credible sources like CBC which obviously don't state the facts, eh?

Back to Jurineack... When you look at the 3 incidents at hand (Jimenez, Gass, Jurineack) One of these things is not like the other. Jimenez possibly ends a man's carreer on a cheap shot, Gass throws a helmet across the field and is lucky he didn't hit someone with it, while Jurineack hits a quarterback during live play only a split second after the QB dished the ball off. Jimenez and Gass blatantly went above and beyond the criteria for a suspension while Jurineack's suspension was extremely questionable at best, it was a situation where arbitration was used to actually have justice served unlike where Gass and Jimenez are quite obviously just using it as a stall tactic to get to keep playing.

I ask again - what if Jiminez is cleared?

[Jer Bear]

Wow. :no: Did your name lose a k Jer_ Bear.

I'm a jerk because I want a cheap player who's getting off pretty much scott-free after ending another players career to get what he deserves? Give your head a shake.

You're a jerk because:
1) You come on to our board and talk smack about an issue of which you're clearly ill-informed,
2) You are actively wishing harm on another human being,
3) You're so insecure about your precious Riders chances on Sunday that you were hoping to catch a cheap break by having a top Lions player suspended without due process.

Go back to your own board and stop trolling on ours.

1) Explain to me how I'm ill-informed please.
2) I just want Jimenez to get what's coming to him, and he will eventually.
3) The Riders really don't have a whole heck of a lot to do with this. I'm peeved about the fact that he has clearly done something to warrant suspension and he is so inhumane that he won't sit out 1 game. As for the trolling comment...I'm sure to you it may seem like I'm trolling but I'm not. I would be trolling if I came on here and posted things like "Lions suck" "Riders are going to beat BC 1000 to 0" etc. I am actually trying to get a point across here. Believe it or not.

[Jer Bear]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/07/26 ... nalty.html

"Defensive linemen Terrell Jurineack was suspended for one game, while the league fined teammate Scott Schultz for an undisclosed amount."

Don't see anything about a suspension there, but what do I know? I just read credible sources like CBC which obviously don't state the facts, eh?

Back to Jurineack... When you look at the 3 incidents at hand (Jimenez, Gass, Jurineack) One of these things is not like the other. Jimenez possibly ends a man's carreer on a cheap shot, Gass throws a helmet across the field and is lucky he didn't hit someone with it, while Jurineack hits a quarterback during live play only a split second after the QB dished the ball off. Jimenez and Gass blatantly went above and beyond the criteria for a suspension while Jurineack's suspension was extremely questionable at best, it was a situation where arbitration was used to actually have justice served unlike where Gass and Jimenez are quite obviously just using it as a stall tactic to get to keep playing.

I ask again - what if Jiminez is cleared?

IF he is cleared (which I would doubt he would be, but who knows, Wally will probably end up being the arbitrator) the CFL will lose a lot of credibility in the eyes of a lot of fans. I don't suspect Jimenez is really using the arbitration as a form of getting a second look at the suspension. He's likely using it as a stall tactic to play in the playoffs.

[LFITQ]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/07/26 ... nalty.html

"Defensive linemen Terrell Jurineack was suspended for one game, while the league fined teammate Scott Schultz for an undisclosed amount."

Don't see anything about a suspension there, but what do I know? I just read credible sources like CBC which obviously don't state the facts, eh?

Back to Jurineack... When you look at the 3 incidents at hand (Jimenez, Gass, Jurineack) One of these things is not like the other. Jimenez possibly ends a man's carreer on a cheap shot, Gass throws a helmet across the field and is lucky he didn't hit someone with it, while Jurineack hits a quarterback during live play only a split second after the QB dished the ball off. Jimenez and Gass blatantly went above and beyond the criteria for a suspension while Jurineack's suspension was extremely questionable at best, it was a situation where arbitration was used to actually have justice served unlike where Gass and Jimenez are quite obviously just using it as a stall tactic to get to keep playing.

I ask again - what if Jiminez is cleared?

It won't matter. He doesn't wear green. that's exactly what Jer Bear boils it all down to. He still can't quite understand the point I was making to him.

He said that it showed the type of character a player has by taking things to arbitration. I gave him 2 examples of where Rider players have done it. But those are ok in his books, he's spun it so his comments won't have a negative impact on the Rider players. So even if an arbitrator comes out and says "no rules were broken and it was just an unfortunate accident that happens in the playing of football" Jiminez will still be a jerk because he took it that far.

I would bet that Jer Bear is also one of those rider fans that was all upset when the ref ejected two Rider linemen in the game against Hamilton because the video replay didn't show any reason for the ejections. You know the thing that Tillman and Austin got upset over and then got handed fines. So because there was no video evidence of wrong doing in that case it was wrong for the Riders to get ejected and fined, even though it was being based solely on the word of a ref.
HEY!!! WAIT A MINUTE! That scenario sounds awfully familiar??!!!!???!!

[Tighthead]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/07/26 ... nalty.html


Don't see anything about a suspension there, but what do I know? I just read credible sources like CBC which obviously don't state the facts, eh?

Back to Jurineack... When you look at the 3 incidents at hand (Jimenez, Gass, Jurineack) One of these things is not like the other. Jimenez possibly ends a man's carreer on a cheap shot, Gass throws a helmet across the field and is lucky he didn't hit someone with it, while Jurineack hits a quarterback during live play only a split second after the QB dished the ball off. Jimenez and Gass blatantly went above and beyond the criteria for a suspension while Jurineack's suspension was extremely questionable at best, it was a situation where arbitration was used to actually have justice served unlike where Gass and Jimenez are quite obviously just using it as a stall tactic to get to keep playing.

I ask again - what if Jiminez is cleared?

IF he is cleared (which I would doubt he would be, but who knows, Wally will probably end up being the arbitrator) the CFL will lose a lot of credibility in the eyes of a lot of fans. I don't suspect Jimenez is really using the arbitration as a form of getting a second look at the suspension. He's likely using it as a stall tactic to play in the playoffs.

I was asking if it would make you back of your righteous and strident position, and if it would humble you. However, you already pulled out an excuse and tailor made interpretation.

[TheLionKing]

He gets to play Sunday and the Grey Cup (if the Lions make it) so to me that's pretty much scott free. He'll likely end up sitting out a preseason game next year or the first game of the year or something like that. Jimenez should've listened to the league and sat out his one game like a man. Going after an arbitrator shows a lot about your character, look at AJ Gass. Everyone in the league hates him because of the stunt he pulled, and now you can add Jimenez to that list. I am confident that if not Sunday somewhere down the line he is going to be receiving a cheap-shot and when that happens I sincerely hope that the player that gave the cheap-shot gets away free.

Quit your pathetic whining. It's in the Collective Agreement. It applies to the Lions as well as the Riders.