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Who will win tomorrow's Presidential Election ?

Barack Obama
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Mitt Romney
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TheLionKing wrote:Will Obama still face gridlock as the Republicans retained control of the House of Representatives ?
Yes.

They will continue to fight him all the way through his second term, sometimes acting against their own principles in doing so.

It will be interesting to see how the Republican Party adapts or dies. They do not want to adapt. But it seems clear to me they will have to, or see their party shrink, allowing a more moderate, conservative, third party development.

They cannot ignore forever the immigrants, the gay/lesbian/bi/trans numbers, the minorities, non Christian religions, the poor, the women, et cetera. Too many votes given up.

I feel blessed to have been born in Canada, and to live in Canada. But I think we have also been very, very fortunate. Protected by our friendly, big neighbour to the South (and to to the north, with Alaska as a buffer). In our safety, with our resources, we were able to develop as a nation, a nation which is now the envy of much of the world. We have our troubles for sure, but they are nothing compared to almost anywhere else on this planet.

Best wishes to Obama in his second term. What they do down there matters greatly to us, and to the rest of the world.
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What the 2012 election taught us

Posted by Chris Cillizza on November 7, 2012 at 12:34 am

We’ve been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term. Five of our initial lessons learned are below. Much more to come in the days and weeks ahead.

1. This wasn’t JUST an economic referendum: Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney built his entire campaign around the idea that the only question for voters was “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” The goal was to turn the entire election into a straight referendum on Obama’s handling of the still struggling economy. It didn’t work. Almost 6 in 10 voters said the economy was the the top issue for them and among that group Romney won 51 percent of the vote 47 percent for Obama. And yet Romney lost — and lost convincingly. Why? Obama turned the race effectively into a choice between someone who voters thought understood them and their concerns and someone who didn’t. One in five voters said that a candidate who “cares about people like me” was a critical piece of their decision; Obama won them 82 percent to 17 percent.

2. Republicans have a huge Hispanic problem: Nationally, Latino voters comprised 10 percent of the total electorate. Obama won 69 percent of their votes while Romney won just 29 percent. In Florida, Latinos accounted for nearly one in every five voters and Obama won them by 21 points. As we have written before, the Republican party simply cannot lose 7 in 10 Hispanic voters in elections and expect to be a viable national party in 2016, 2020 and beyond. Growth in the Latino community probably makes Arizona a swing state in the next presidential election and Texas could even be a swing state by 2020 unless Republicans can find a way to make inroads in the Hispanic community. Our guess? A major figure in the GOP — former Florida governor Jeb Bush or Sen. Marco Rubio — puts his foot down and speaks the truth to his party about the effect their stances on immigration are having on their long-term political prospects.

3. Virginia and North Carolina are swing states: We waited four years to see whether Obama’s victories in North Carolina and Virginia were flukes, whether the two states with long Republican traditions at the presidential level would return back to their GOP roots. They didn’t. Obama won Virginia. And, while Romney won North Carolina, he did so very narrowly — less than 100,000 votes out of more than 4 million cast. Think of it this way: In 2008, Obama got 49.7 percent of the vote in North Carolina while he got 48.4 percent in 2012. Compare that to how the Democratic presidential nominee performed in 2004 (43.6) and 2000 (43.2) and you see how much North Carolina has changed. Both states are swing states in 2016 and beyond — an expansion of the map in Democrats’ favor that Republicans were unable to match in places like Pennsylvania, Michigan or Minnesota in this election.

4. The youth vote is no longer dismissible: In 2008, then candidate Obama promised to energize the youth vote like no candidate had done before him. Eyes rolled — including ours. But Obama was right. Voters aged 18-29 comprised 18 percent of the electorate in 2008 and Obama won them by 34 points. Surely, skeptics insisted, that showing was a one-off — built around Obama’s nonpartisan call for “hope” and “change.” Or not. According to the latest national exit polling, 19 percent of the electorate was aged 18-29 and Obama won that group by 24 points. Once is an anomaly. Twice is a new political reality. The only question going forward is whether the youth vote is tied to President Obama uniquely or whether it is an advantage for Democrats more broadly.

5. Democrats electoral vote ceiling > Republican electoral vote ceiling: We strongly suspected going into this election that the electoral vote dominance that Republican presidential candidates enjoyed in the 1980s had switched over to Democrats. Obama’s victory tonight affirmed that fact. Obama currently has 284 electoral votes and leads in Florida (29 electoral votes) and Virginia (13 electoral votes). Add those two — along with Nevada — to his total and total is 332 electoral votes, a sum well beyond what most people (and political types) thought he was capable of achieving. The problem for Republicans — and this is not at all unique to Romney — is that the best hope they currently have in terms of electoral math is the 286 electoral votes that George W. Bush won in 2004. (It would actually add up to 292 electoral votes under the current allocation.) A ceiling of 292 just leaves very little room for error — for any Republican candidate now or going forward.
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Election aftermath: GOP soul-searching: 'Too old, too white, too male'?

By: Jonathan Martin

November 7, 2012 02:55 AM EST

BOSTON — President Barack Obama’s thrashing of Mitt Romney exposed glaring structural weaknesses in the GOP that will shut the Republicans out of the White House until they find a way to appeal to a rapidly changing America.

Battling a wheezing economy and a deeply motivated opposition, Obama still managed to retain much of his 2008 map because of the GOP’s deficiencies with the voters who are changing the political face of once conservative-leaning Virginia, Florida, Colorado and Nevada.

(Also on POLITICO: Obama’s grind-it-out win)

Republicans face a crisis: The country is growing less white, and their coalition has become more white in recent years.

In 2004, George W. Bush won 44 percent of Hispanics. Four years later, John McCain, the author of an immigration reform bill, took 31 percent of Hispanics. And this year, Romney captured only 27 percent of Hispanics.

“The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities who are trying to make it, and Republicans need to work harder than ever to communicate our beliefs to them,” said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who will immediately be looked to as a potential 2016 presidential candidate.

(Also on POLITICO: Rubio: GOP must focus on minorities, immigrants)

But the GOP’s problem is more fundamental than one bloc of voters. For the second consecutive presidential election, the Republican got thumped among women and young voters in the states that decided the election.

“Our party needs to realize that it’s too old and too white and too male and it needs to figure out how to catch up with the demographics of the country before it’s too late,” said Al Cardenas, the head of the American Conservative Union and a longtime GOP leader. “Our party needs a lot of work to do if we expect to be competitive in the near future.”

Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), a prospective 2014 statewide candidate in a state moving sharply to the middle, was just as blunt: “After tonight, the GOP had better figure out that a big tent sounds good, but if there aren’t any seats in it, what good is it.”

The desperate straits Republicans find themselves in are structural. But Romney should not be completely absolved of responsibility for his party’s ebb. He galloped to the right on immigration and reproductive issues in the GOP primary and only awkwardly attempted to move to the middle on those issues in the fall. His 50s-era persona was almost comically far removed from Americans who are in their 20s and 30s. And he never attempted to distance himself from or truly challenge a Republican Party that still bears bruises left from the Bush years.

(Also on POLITICO: 12 takeaways from Obama’s win)

But the rapidly growing population of minorities is something that looms larger than one flawed candidate.

Look no further than Florida, that reliable battleground that usually picks White House winners. Obama won there by only 2½ percentage points in 2008, but somehow found a way to eke out a narrow lead again in the face of 8.7 percent unemployment there.

Why? Partly because there are 190,000 more Hispanics and 50,000 more African-Americans in the state than there were in 2008.

Florida Republicans were staggered: Obama managed to actually increase a 20-point margin from 2008 in suburban Orlando’s Osceola County, home to thousands of Hispanic immigrants, to 25 points.

“Hispanics continue to grow in importance, and we need to embrace these voters for two reasons: It is simply the right thing to do, and it’s mandatory demographically if we are to avoid more presidential disappointments,” said former George W. Bush political director Matt Schlapp. “It’s about simple math and basic moral decency.”


The seeming demographic anomaly, of course, is Ohio, a state full of the sort of white voters who now make up the GOP base. Such voters went for Romney nationally, but in must-have Ohio, Obama did a crucial 3 points better among whites.

Nowhere more than the Buckeye State was there a better example of both Romney’s personal weaknesses and his campaigns missteps. Ohio can’t be chalked up to demographics.

Republicans can point to the paucity of talent in their 2012 field, but in the first presidential election since the Great Recession , running a multimillionaire who got rich as a buyout artist seems wildly ill-advised.

Beyond the résumé, there were the unforced errors that reinforced the caricature of Romney as an out-of-touch plutocrat: Some of my best friends own NASCAR teams; corporations are people; and a $10,000 wager.

But in terms of verbal miscues, nothing damaged Romney as badly as his caught-on-tape moment at a fundraiser full of wealthy donors riffing on the 47 percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes. And, making matters worse, Romney didn’t fully express regret for his comment until weeks later.

In the hours after it happened, a former top George W. Bush adviser emailed with evident concern and diagnosed why the comment was so damaging: “The worst gaffes reveal what people already presumed bad about someone.”

Indeed, long before Romney came up 2 points short in Ohio, many veteran Republicans were convinced that class issues would spell his demise.

“A Romney loss would be solely based on class and personality: middle class, affable and emotional former governor would be up by 5,” said one GOP operative in the days before Romney’s defeat.

That’s probably a bit rose-tinted, but there’s little question that Romney’s business background and persona made him uniquely vulnerable in Ohio.

A son of privilege who got rich in a way that was a gift to Democratic ad makers was a tough enough sell. But a socially awkward guy who couldn’t relate and served up a steady diet of comments that screamed “not from these parts” made him close to untenable. And most puzzling, even to Romney’s own family members, was that he didn’t make any real effort at showing his human side until after the first debate in October, at which point a caricature of him had been etched.

His inherent challenge in the state was compounded by his campaign’s mistakes there. Romney’s team never had a big-picture strategy on how to explain his work at Bain Capital or his opposition to Obama’s auto bailout. And it wasn’t for lack of lead time: Romney got hammered for his business work in his 1994 Senate campaign, and he came out against the auto rescue in 2009. He knew it was coming but had no apparent plan when the ads from Obama’s campaign and super PAC rained down on him all summer.

It wasn’t until the final week of the campaign, trailing persistently in every Ohio poll, that Romney, nudged by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio.), made a desperate play to address the auto issue. The ad, which suggested that Jeep had moved jobs overseas, drew scathing condemnation from the automakers. Even before polls closed on Tuesday, a senior Romney official pointed to the ad as one of the biggest mistakes of the campaign.

Asked to explain Romney’s loss in Ohio, two longtime Republican insiders in the state pointed in the same direction: Northwest Ohio, auto country.
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Republicans Face Struggle Over Party’s Direction

By CARL HULSE

Published: November 7, 2012

With their party on the verge of losing the popular presidential vote for the fifth time in six elections, Republicans across the political spectrum anticipate a prolonged and probably divisive period of self-examination.

The coming debate will be centered on whether the party should keep pursuing the antigovernment focus that grew out of resistance to the health care law and won them the House in 2010, or whether it should focus on a strategy that recognizes the demographic tide running strongly against it.

“There will be some kind of war,” predicted Mike Murphy, a longtime Republican Party consultant, suggesting it would pit “mathematicians” like him, who argue that the party cannot keep surrendering the votes of Hispanics, blacks, younger voters and college-educated women, against the party purists, or “priests,” as he puts it, who believe that basic conservative principles can ultimately triumph without much deviation.

“We are in a situation where the Democrats are getting a massive amount of votes for free,” Mr. Murphy said.

But the debate will not just be about demographics. Ralph Reed, a veteran of the conservative movement, said that Mr. Romney’s loss would stir resentment among those who believe the party made a mistake in nominating a more centrist Republican who had to work to appeal to the party’s base.

“There’s definitely a feeling that it would be better to nominate a conservative of long-standing conviction,” he said.

As a party, Republicans continue to depend heavily on older working-class white voters in rural and suburban America — a shrinking percentage of the overall electorate — while Democrats rack up huge majorities among urban voters including blacks, Hispanics and other minorities. Not to mention younger Americans who are inclined to get their political news from Comedy Central and will not necessarily become more conservative as they age. The disparity means that Democrats can get well under 50 percent of the white vote and still win the presidency, a split that is only going to widen in the future.

According to exit polls, about 7 in 10 Hispanics said they were voting for Mr. Obama. Mr. Romney won the support of nearly 6 in 10 whites. In urban areas, white voters were split over the two candidates, but about 6 in 10 white voters in the suburbs went for Mr. Romney, as did nearly two-thirds in rural areas.

Mr. Romney won a majority of voters 65 or older, while Mr. Obama was backed by 6 in 10 Americans under 30, and won a narrow majority of those under 44.

Even as they absorbed Mr. Romney’s defeat, the party’s top elected officials, strategists and activists said they believed that Republicans had offered a persuasive message of economic opportunism and fiscal restraint. While the messenger may have been flawed, they argued, Republicans should not stray from that approach in a moment of panic.

“The party has to continually ask ourselves, what do we represent?” said Senator Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican seen as a top White House contender in 2016. “But we have to remain the movement on behalf of upward mobility, the party people identify with their hopes and dreams. People want to have a chance.”

Matt Kibbe, the president of the Tea Party-aligned group FreedomWorks, acknowledged there would be a natural struggle for the identity of the party in the election’s aftermath. But he argued that in some respects the fight had already been waged and won by the energized grass-roots forces that have shaped the contours of Republican politics in recent elections.

“You are going to see a continuation of the fight between the old guard and all of the new blood that has come in since 2010, but I don’t know how dramatic it is going to be,” he said. “It is getting to point where you can’t reach back and pull another establishment Republican from the queue like we have done with Romney.”

Besides Mr. Rubio, Representative Paul D. Ryan, the unsuccessful vice-presidential candidate, will now be seen as a chief party voice, as will Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin. House Republicans particularly can be expected to gravitate to Mr. Ryan. Among others considered on the rise are Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, and all can to some extent attribute their success to Tea Party-style politics with an emphasis on cutting spending and shrinking government.

As possible counterbalances, Republicans point to former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, who has shown an ability to connect with Hispanic voters, and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who has been able to win in a blue state. But the more conservative up-and-comers seem to have the upper hand for now, even in defeat.

And while Senate Republicans did not make the gains they anticipated — and some of their likely wins became losses in races where their candidates were deemed too extreme — they added internally to their conservative ranks, with victories by Ted Cruz in Texas and other Republicans expected to pick off Democratic seats.

With House Republicans easily holding on to their majority, Republicans will arguably be more conservative in the 113th Congress than they were in the 112th.

The first test of whether Republicans see any political need to be more conciliatory will come quickly in the lame duck session of Congress this month, when they will face pressure from the White House, Congressional Democrats and perhaps the Senate Republican leadership to strike a deal to avert the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the beginning of automatic across-the-board spending cuts.

If rank-and-file Republicans dig in, it will be a seen as strong indication that they remain unwilling to make the kind of concessions they fear could bring them primary election challenges or cost them in a future presidential primary.

To some in the centrist wing of the party, the need to move toward the middle could not have been more obvious as Republicans came into the 2012 election cycle with built-in advantages in both the presidential and Congressional contests.

“We have to recognize the demographic changes in this country,” said Senator Susan Collins of Maine, who has watched as the number of her fellow moderate Republicans in the Senate declined. “Republicans cannot win with just rural, white voters.”

Democrats sense a parallel to their own recent history when an increasingly liberal party seen as losing touch with mainstream America was defeated in three consecutive presidential elections, in 1980, 1984 and 1988, before Bill Clinton, who practiced a centrist style of politics, won two terms.

“They need a Bill Clinton moment,” said Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago and former top aide to both Presidents Clinton and Obama. Though many Republicans still see no impetus for drastic change, there does seem to be a growing consensus that the party needs to somehow repair its relations with the nation’s Hispanics, a group that has socially and fiscally conservative tendencies and one in which Republicans enjoyed some success during the administration of former President George W. Bush.

But that support has deteriorated steadily since the 2004 election. Mr. Rubio, a Cuban-American, said his party has to begin by striking a different tone on immigration, pushing for improvements in the existing immigration system and talking more about the capacity to enter the United States legally.
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Will Obama’s re-election prompt a reinvention of the GOP?

JOANNA SLATER

NEW YORK — The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Nov. 07 2012

The election is over. Let the blame game begin.

As Republicans take the measure of their defeat in Tuesday’s presidential poll, they are already pointing fingers, searching for ways to explain how their candidate failed to unseat a vulnerable incumbent in a struggling economy.

Some took cold comfort in the fact that President Barack Obama’s margin of victory was the narrowest of any incumbent in modern times. But others pointed to the stark truth that Republican candidates have now lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections – not the track record of a party with broad appeal to American voters.

A battle is brewing within the party over what Tuesday’s loss means for its future. The question boils down to this: Is the result a disappointment or a watershed?

The narrower view

Mr. Obama’s victory was “the definition of winning ugly,” according to an editorial posted on The Wall Street Journal’s website a little after midnight. The piece listed numerous reasons for the result – the Democratic turnout machine, Hurricane Sandy’s October surprise that drew voter focus away from the economy, Mitt Romney’s weaknesses as a candidate and his string of gaffes.

What it didn’t do was engage in soul-searching or hand-wringing over the Republican party’s future. The only place where the party must improve, it suggested, was in making a stronger appeal to Latino voters.

Early Wednesday, this was a key refrain among Republican loyalists: The party must fix its problem with the fastest-growing sector of the American electorate, chiefly by adjusting its stance on immigration.

“Republicans cannot survive being the party of old white men,” wrote Michael Tanner, a fellow at the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank, early Wednesday. And that means leaving hard-line anti-immigration politicians behind, plus moderating its embrace of causes that turn off women voters.

The broader view

For other Republicans, the loss is not a question of tactics or positions or even candidates, although they allow that all of those factors played a part in Mr. Obama’s victory.

Some are voicing a larger anxiety that the broad majority of the American populace is drifting away from conservative tenets.

“Those of us who continue to oppose the fiscal and constitutional overreach of the modern social state now find ourselves in the wilderness,” wrote Michael Knox Beran on the website of the National Review.

A fellow conservative pundit went further, dismissing attempts to pin the loss on weak support from minorities: “The fact is a lot of pasty, Caucasian, non-immigrant Americans have also ‘shifted,’ and are very comfortable with Big Government, entitlements, micro-regulation, Obamacare and all the rest,” wrote Mark Steyn.

Alex Castellanos, a prominent Republican consultant, argued late Tuesday that the Republican party needs a wholesale reinvention.

“It is what it is folks. Romney is not performing all across swing states at levels he needs. This is not about Romney. Much bigger,” he wrote in a tweet.

Later, he elaborated: “GOP needs to evolve. New Dems, worked. New Republicans, we are waiting.”

For liberal pundits, the lesson for Republicans was clear. Their party had become so extremist that it scared away voters, even those disappointed with Mr. Obama. While Mr. Romney is not a right-wing extremist, “to win the nomination… he had to feign being one,” wrote Jacob Weisberg on Slate.

“The GOP now faces the challenge of self-examination and internal reform that Democrats began to undertake after losing twice to Ronald Reagan.”
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TheLionKing wrote:Will Obama still face gridlock as the Republicans retained control of the House of Representatives ?
There's a good chance that he will unless some pieces, missing so far, fall into place. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility, though, that both Obama and John Boehner (along with other house members) "get" the will of the American people that there must be cooperation between the White House and congress. Obama may now feel sufficiently secure (not having to run again) to rise above his strict party line, and, perhaps more importantly, the Republican-controlled house may feel the heat from the American populace, along with seeing a decline in the Tea Party, to agree to some compromises that will be necessary to get some things done. (It's pretty clear now that the Tea Party had a big part in denying the Republicans control of the senate, and this may cause a decline in their influence.) If this happens, the senate will cooperate, I think, with Obama, and he'll be able to enjoy some success. Many pundits have opined that now it's just like it was before (gridlock), but I'm not so sure. The dynamic of the election may have shaken loose some common sense and it may be different in some ways now.
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notahomer wrote:Certainly some big differences but also similarities between US/Canadian politics.

I thought both candidates gave good speeches once it was obvious the electoral college was decided. Its still amazing to me that such a big win can happen in the only vote that matters, the electoral college, but the actual votes are close. This has happened before in US presidential elections and even here in BC in a provincial election. The NDP 'won' an election and formed government even though the BC Liberal party got more votes.
Sure it happens in Canada all the time--like the last federal election in which the Tories, who, of course, won, got about 40% of the popular vote. In fact, it's almost inevitable whenever you have a functional multi-party system as we do in Canada federally and in some cases provincially (as we saw in the last Ontario provincial election). This is one reason that I've always admired the US two-party system (although not the gridlock that arises from squabbling houses of Congress with different majorities). In my opinion, we'd be better off in Canada with a two-party system: one right of center and one left of center. If we had that, along with the Westminster parliamentary system we have, then we'd almost never see that obviously awkward phenomenon where the winning party got a minority of the popular vote. In the US, we saw that with Bush v. Gore, in which Gore got slightly more of the popular vote, but lost. This time around, it looks as if Obama will not only win in the Electoral College, but also in the popular vote, although not by much in the latter. This is good as it reinforces the idea that the President has won a mandate--something that would be less clear if he won only the Electoral College vote. My guess is that, when all the ballots are counted, the popular vote will end up something like 50.7-49.3, maybe going up to 51-49, but still far closer than in 2008.
I've been following Canadian and American FEDERAL elections since I was about six years old, so I understand the two party/three ormore party vote splits. Sounds like you might be an active political junkie (I certainly label myself as one). However, most of the time in Canada the party that gets the most votes is also also the party that gets the most seats. So, a party could win a federal election will below 40% of popular and still win a large majority of seats....

What really concerns me and it shouldn't be taken as an accusation of either party (both are guilty in different parts of America, IMO) is the tricks that are being played to subside Americans from casting their votes. The attempts at fraud, misdirection and bureacracy creeping into elections. Actually 'creeping' is the wrong word, its a strong movement. Again, not to point fingers, the Conservatives have been accussed and are being investigated of some things during our last federal election. Of course they are going to get more attention considering they formed government. I just hope these things get cleared up in Amercian elections and also in our elections too!
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notahomer wrote: What really concerns me and it shouldn't be taken as an accusation of either party (both are guilty in different parts of America, IMO) is the tricks that are being played to subside Americans from casting their votes. The attempts at fraud, misdirection and bureacracy creeping into elections. Actually 'creeping' is the wrong word, its a strong movement. Again, not to point fingers, the Conservatives have been accussed and are being investigated of some things during our last federal election. Of course they are going to get more attention considering they formed government. I just hope these things get cleared up in Amercian elections and also in our elections too!
Yeah, absolutely. The distortions and outright lies in this US election campaign have hit, I think, a new low. It seemed to end up with the guy who was most successful in smearing the other guy winning. This is just awful. Here in Canada, we have our share of dirty tricks and deception too, but it seems really mild in comparison with what we've just seen south of the border. You know, the really depressing thing is that there is strong evidence that negative campaign ads work. We might hope that they'd backfire, with people seeing them for what they really are, but no. They work, and that's very disappointing.
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With the Republicans getting almost as many votes as the Democrats they may view this as meaning half of the /American people support their agenda
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TheLionKing wrote:With the Republicans getting almost as many votes as the Democrats they may view this as meaning half of the /American people support their agenda
Sure they will, and the Democrats should do so too. The hope is that this realization will lead to compromise between Obama and the congress so that something can get done.
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jcalhoun wrote:Hey all,

Well, that was a rough night for conservatives south of the 49th. Up here....meh.

Gold went up 10 dollars an ounce this morning, Smith & Wesson stock went up 10% and Ruger is up just shy of 7%.....so.....while I'm disappointed in the results, I'm not *that* disappointed.
That's interesting about gun sales. Do you think it's because Americans think that Obama will try to introduce stricter gun-purchase laws? Personally, I don't think that's remotely likely.
jcalhoun wrote:Want to hear something insane? The final numbers aren't in yet, but John McCain got 2.5 million more votes in '08 than Romney did yesterday. Obama dropped over 10 million. I don't think anyone would have expect McCain's 08 efforts to pull in more votes than Romney did.
Are you sure about this? The popular vote results show that Obama beat Romney by only about 2% of the popular vote, whereas he beat McCain by over 7%. Put another way, Obama got about 2.7M more votes than Romney, but about 9.5M more than McCain.

In my opinion, Romney's less-than-enthusiastic embrace by the Republican party and voters was almost completely due to the fact that he's not a true conservative. Romney is really a slightly-to-the-right moderate Republican who is a manager, not an ideologue. He tilted towards the right during the primaries, but settled back closer to the center during the election campaign. My sense is that his Mormon faith had very little effect on how he was perceived by the right. The Tea Party is about economics, not religion.
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The American public is polarized like I never seen
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jcalhoun wrote:Pender,

Numbers as of now:

2008:
Obama: 69,456,897
McCain: 59,934,814

2012:
Obama: 60,383,153
Romney: 57,591,733

The numbers will undoubtedly change a little as final tallies are refined. But still.....

Cheers,

James
Good to get the actual data. The discrepancy is resolved when we see that voter turnout was down from about 130M in 2008 to about 118M in 2012--a decline of close to 10%, which is really amazing when you recall the Republicans talking so confidently (as were the Democrats) about being able to "get their vote out." So, while Romney's raw popular vote numbers are less than McCain's, as a proportion of the total vote, Romney's results are better than McCain's--about 49.8% to about 46.3%. To my eye, this suggests that Romney was a stronger candidate than McCain.
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