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Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:55 am
by Matt Baker
I was lucky to sit down with Dan Dorazio for 15 minutes. Man, I could talk football with him all day!

New article on BCLions.com:

http://www.bclions.com/2016/04/19/doraz ... eview=true

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:03 am
by TheLionKing

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:18 pm
by DanoT
I am very apprehensive about Dorazio's complicated Zone Read blocking schemes that he is so fond of. Too much pre snap thinking leads to hesitation on the part of the blocker and when that happens the defender gets by the blocker in an instant.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:49 pm
by aklawitter
quick, someone tell him that Valli retired

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:52 pm
by Sir Purrcival
I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the eating as they say.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:03 pm
by Lions4ever
DanoT wrote:I am very apprehensive about Dorazio's complicated Zone Read blocking schemes that he is so fond of. Too much pre snap thinking leads to hesitation on the part of the blocker and when that happens the defender gets by the blocker in an instant.
Mind you, he has been lauded for his intricate schemes:
Those who do will see an Oklahoma team ranked No. 2 in the nation — the Huskies came in No. 4 — get totally flummoxed by the blocking scheme devised by James and offensive line coach Dan Dorazio to neutralize the Sooners’ All-American defensive tackle, Tony Casillas. The trap plays, called via audibles based on where Casillas lined up, not only took the future NFL star largely out of the game but allowed the Huskies to deal with Oklahoma’s brash and talented freshman linebacker, Brian Bosworth.
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/30-y ... nal-title/

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:27 pm
by CardiacKid
Lions4ever wrote:
DanoT wrote:I am very apprehensive about Dorazio's complicated Zone Read blocking schemes that he is so fond of. Too much pre snap thinking leads to hesitation on the part of the blocker and when that happens the defender gets by the blocker in an instant.
Mind you, he has been lauded for his intricate schemes:
Those who do will see an Oklahoma team ranked No. 2 in the nation — the Huskies came in No. 4 — get totally flummoxed by the blocking scheme devised by James and offensive line coach Dan Dorazio to neutralize the Sooners’ All-American defensive tackle, Tony Casillas. The trap plays, called via audibles based on where Casillas lined up, not only took the future NFL star largely out of the game but allowed the Huskies to deal with Oklahoma’s brash and talented freshman linebacker, Brian Bosworth.
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/30-y ... nal-title/
How much time would a NCAA Div 1 team get on the practice field compared to a CFL team of today? Do those complicated schemes require more time for the personnel to learn them properly than the current collective agreement allows?

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:36 pm
by pennw
aklawitter wrote:quick, someone tell him that Valli retired
Dean Valli spoke quite highly of Dorazio in a recent article about him retiring .

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:58 pm
by CardiacKid
pennw wrote:
aklawitter wrote:quick, someone tell him that Valli retired
Dean Valli spoke quite highly of Dorazio in a recent article about him retiring .
As was Patrick Kabongo.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:45 pm
by South Pender
DanoT wrote:I am very apprehensive about Dorazio's complicated Zone Read blocking schemes that he is so fond of. Too much pre snap thinking leads to hesitation on the part of the blocker and when that happens the defender gets by the blocker in an instant.
Did Dorazio actually use true zone blocking schemes when he was here, or just his particular version of the usual down blocking techniques? As for zone blocking, Tom Cable has been able to transform a very mediocre bunch of O-linemen in Seattle (who have, I believe, the lowest budget O-line in the NFL or very close to it) into at least a reasonably respectable position group (well, by the end of the season anyway) with zone blocking schemes. There were some rookies in that unit too--or guys new to their positions--like Britt, Nowak, and Gilliam--so maybe it's not too hard for guys to pick up the techniques. I could be wrong about this, but I'm not sure that there's necessarily a lot of pre-snap thinking required with the zone blocking concept, more a focus on getting to the right place after the snap. It has made the Seahawks' ground game pretty special.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:03 am
by WestCoastJoe
Sir Purrcival wrote:I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the eating as they say.
Yup. With Dan, we have seen good, and we have seen bad. Dan can dial up pretty much any blocking schemes, techniques, or philosophy one could want. But, as Angus Reid pointed out, it is usually better to keep things as simple as possible.

Looking forward to seeing the results on the field.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:01 pm
by almo89
I understand that he's a pretty respected football guru. All I know is that during his time here, we've seen our fair share of QBs taking a beating. Last season was the first time in years where we had a decent O line. I'm just afraid we'll be back to the same ol same ol and our QBs getting all battered up again.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:30 am
by David
No one disputes Dan's vast knowledge, hard work, and his ability to communicate. It's just that in terms of keeping the quarterback upright, paradoxically, his O-lines invariably lead the league (last season in Saskatchewan) or are among the league leaders in sacks allowed. Just sayin'.....


DH :cool:

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:35 am
by Hambone
David wrote:No one disputes Dan's vast knowledge, hard work, and his ability to communicate. It's just that in terms of keeping the quarterback upright, paradoxically, his O-lines invariably lead the league (last season in Saskatchewan) or are among the league leaders in sacks allowed. Just sayin'.....


DH :cool:
Definitely wasn't a banner year in that regard for the Riders. Keep in mind Kevin Glenn who almost refuses to run or scramble was QB for a good chunk of the season. Tino Sunseri also saw the field for a few games while Glenn was out. Possessed with Danny McManus like mobility Sunseri didn't have Danny's smarts to get rid of the ball quickly. Just before they cut him Chamblin hooked Brett Smith against Ottawa and put Sunseri in. Sunseri was sacked 8 times in relief duty that game. That one Sunseri relief appearance probably accounted for 10% of the Riders' sacks allowed last year. If I recall Ottawa was mercilessly sending 6 and 7 rushers every second play in what amounted to a feeding frenzy.

Re: Dorazio hard at work after returning to den

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:07 pm
by BC 1988
David wrote:No one disputes Dan's vast knowledge, hard work, and his ability to communicate. It's just that in terms of keeping the quarterback upright, paradoxically, his O-lines invariably lead the league (last season in Saskatchewan) or are among the league leaders in sacks allowed. Just sayin'.....
Ditto. I particularly remember this SSK game vs HAM last season where Glenn was injured. What a savage beatdown.
http://www.cfl.ca/games/2200/hamilton-t ... s/#matchup
almo89 wrote:I understand that he's a pretty respected football guru. All I know is that during his time here, we've seen our fair share of QBs taking a beating. Last season was the first time in years where we had a decent O line. I'm just afraid we'll be back to the same ol same ol and our QBs getting all battered up again.
Fully agree. By contrast, BC QB's had one of the least lethal seasons for as far back as I can remember.

Sidenote on the new CFL website: after wiping out all history when they shifted to the mobile-friendly version, looks like they are planning to restore it. (see the "Coming Soon" at the bottom of the game page). I noticed the same thing happened with the NHL site.