Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Toppy Vann » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:17 pm

http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/ ... ort-events

This is a good review of the issues in econ. impact studies related to sports.

The problem is also who is doing it and why as they can size up or down the multiplier to get the desired results.
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Sir Purrcival » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:15 pm

KnowItAll wrote:
sj-roc wrote:
KnowItAll wrote:while you are deducting the revenue over the years, dont forget to add the maintenance and other related ongoing or reoccuring costs as well.

... which IIRC are lower than the maintenance costs of the old fabric roof.

I am talking about all costs, not just re the roof. Afterall, it isnt just the roof that is bringing in the money.


There were maintenance costs before the new roof and there are maintenance costs after the new roof. It has been posted that the current maintenance costs are now less than with the old design so lets call it a saw off. A first class facility attracts events. We have two professional sports franchises in there now. Unlike the White Elephant mentality that seems prevalent for some of the Nay Sayers, this facility will continue to attract events which in turn will help defray the cost of the new roof. What's more, I believe that with the current upgrades it will attract new events that might have passed on Vancouver, large music acts for example. Time will tell but I believe that this was a good investment that will continue to productive for the next 25 years. Putting a replacement roof on the same stuffy, dingy facility may have been cheaper in the short term but it wouldn't have done a thing to increase bookings.
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby KnowItAll » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:20 am

just wondering, how much revenue the other cups in BC place brought in.

There was also revenue before the new roof.

Would be interesting to have the figures from the beginning, Total cost to build bc place, plus all running costs up to new roof vs all revenue.
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Sir Purrcival » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:32 pm

The acoustics in the old dome were horrendous. I suspect that larger shows might now choose to come to BC Place because of the open air factor, better sound and so on. No guarantees of course and there are only a few acts out there large enough to justify a venue of that size but if you were to get even a few more over 25 years, that would be a substantial amount of money. The goal with any of these facilities is to book as many dates as possible. The Whitecaps adds 17 dates by themselves. Now you can play international matches there as well. Both things that couldn't happen with the old dome.
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Blue In BC » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:00 pm

Sir Purrcival wrote:The acoustics in the old dome were horrendous. I suspect that larger shows might now choose to come to BC Place because of the open air factor, better sound and so on. No guarantees of course and there are only a few acts out there large enough to justify a venue of that size but if you were to get even a few more over 25 years, that would be a substantial amount of money. The goal with any of these facilities is to book as many dates as possible. The Whitecaps adds 17 dates by themselves. Now you can play international matches there as well. Both things that couldn't happen with the old dome.


What stopped the Whitcaps in playing in the pre retractable roof BCP?
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Toppy Vann » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:26 pm

Blue In BC wrote:
Sir Purrcival wrote:The acoustics in the old dome were horrendous. I suspect that larger shows might now choose to come to BC Place because of the open air factor, better sound and so on. No guarantees of course and there are only a few acts out there large enough to justify a venue of that size but if you were to get even a few more over 25 years, that would be a substantial amount of money. The goal with any of these facilities is to book as many dates as possible. The Whitecaps adds 17 dates by themselves. Now you can play international matches there as well. Both things that couldn't happen with the old dome.


What stopped the Whitcaps in playing in the pre retractable roof BCP?



IIRC there were the issues of the artificial turf and they could fill Swanguard despite their being a 400 meter track in front of the main stands which made it more positive fan experience.

There was no doubt the issue that arose when England and Wales came to play Canada here prior to the 1986 World Cup. Bobby Robson, the England manager refused to let his team play on the artificial turf (also not endorsed by FIFA that sort of turf) so Eng. played at Swanguard and Wales in BC Place. They also forced fans to buy tickets for both games and that led to even the extra seats at Swanguard not fully sold IIRC.

What was neat though at Swanguard was that I arrived very early to the celebrity game believing parking would be a disaster and while in the concourse getting a coffee in comes the England team bus with RCMP motorcyle escort. There was not many there and I stood there as their stars including Peter Beardsley got off the bus. England beat Canada coached by the best ever coach they should get back - Tony Waiters.

Your England match report including starters and subs including crowd of 8150 here: http://eu-football.info/_match.php?id=8 ... %20England
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Re: Grey Cup pumps $118M into economy

Postby Sir Purrcival » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:57 pm

It was turf issues. For years there was no artificial turf that was "Fifa" approved so indoor stadiums were out of luck. That eventually changed but there was also that craving for the outdoor experience which was not possible for BCP. It is one of the best "old' stadiums in North America and has the versatility that this highly variable climate demands. It came at a price for sure but the old digs were sorely in need of improving.
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