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B.C.FAN wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:50 am
Argos know there’s more to Lions than their record

There are a lot of similarities between the Argos and the Lions, including their records, which would both be 8-10 if the Lions win. Both teams have been plagued by inconsistencies, penalties and turnovers. They are ranked close together in most statistical categories. For example:
  • The Argo offence rank second in net yardage. The Lions rank third. But in offensive points scored, the Lions rank sixth and the Argos seventh.
  • The Lions' minus-15 turnover ratio ranks eighth. The Argos' minus-7 ratio ranks sixth.
  • Both teams are 2-7 when they lose the turnover battle.
  • The B.C. offence has given up a league-worst 180 sacks and pressures. The Argos have given up a third-worst total of 163.
The main difference is that the Argos have found ways to win close games. The Lions have found ways to lose. The Argos are 3-3 in games decided by 7 points or less. The Lions are 2-7.
This year's club reminds me a lot of the early season 2011 squad that stumbled out of the gates. You knew they were much more capable than their record indicated but seemed to be stumbling and bumbling around with inconsistent play. Really couldn't nail it down to one thing in particular as it seemed like one game to the next something different would bite them in the butt. They'd clean up an area that hurt them the previous game only to see another area that had been solid spring a leak.
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But in 2011, we addressed our deficiencies with the mid-season acquisitions of Arland Bruce and Tad Kornegay, which gave the club an extra spark. This time Wally effectively did nothing which was reflected in the results.

Look what the Eskimos did after the 6-game losing streak. Aaron Grymes, Ahmad Dixon, LaDarius Perkins, CJ Gable etc. Some were necessitated by injury, but still, Sunderland was active.


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David wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:32 pm
But in 2011, we addressed our deficiencies with the mid-season acquisitions of Arland Bruce and Tad Kornegay, which gave the club an extra spark. This time Wally effectively did nothing which was reflected in the results.

Look what the Eskimos did after the 6-game losing streak. Aaron Grymes, Ahmad Dixon, LaDarius Perkins, CJ Gable etc. Some were necessitated by injury, but still, Sunderland was active.


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Excellent points - great food for thought. Esks have definitely rebounded with added personnel and not just CJ Gable who's helped a lot.

Lowell U on the radio the other day questioned Wally's practices of dumping players for salary reasons suggesting that the loss of leadership (he didn't use the word) was one major reason for this year's Lions failing.

Henry Burris tweets on the loss of last year's RBs earlier on this year when they were racking up the L's led to him getting accused of suggesting it was not about the others like Ernest Jackson etc, but about him. I felt he was right then and I feel that now.

Lowell's comment was in the context of Wally as GM and HC feeling that they can replace a player given either their salary and the proverbial BC Lions issue where someone has to take a pay cut or Wally's 'best before date' it. He thinks that this past year it's led to Lions character shortfall in leadership along with the other stuff about an an offense that doesn't use Chris Williams or Gainey well.
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David wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:32 pm
But in 2011, we addressed our deficiencies with the mid-season acquisitions of Arland Bruce and Tad Kornegay, which gave the club an extra spark. This time Wally effectively did nothing which was reflected in the results.

Look what the Eskimos did after the 6-game losing streak. Aaron Grymes, Ahmad Dixon, LaDarius Perkins, CJ Gable etc. Some were necessitated by injury, but still, Sunderland was active.


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Injuries played a big part in Edmonton and with the number of top salaries that wound up on the 6G Sunderland likely had a lot more cap room to play with than Buono. Would Sunderland have been so active if he didn't have a revolving door in the training room? It's a bit more complicated to make a lot of moves when a club has a relatively stable roster and PR with few injuries to create roster openings. If anything I suppose Wally could be taken to task for not activating sooner some of the players who spent most of the season on the PR such as Maddy, Taylor, Deshaun Davis and Kendall James. At the time Edmonton was floundering in their 6 game skid BC had a full PR and only 6 players injured including Lulay. Edmonton had 22 players out.

Of those moves only Grymes and Gable came about deep into their skid. EE adding Grymes was like BC adding Bazzie 2 days earlier. When those types of players come available you make room. Sunderlund did. So did Wally. Perkins has been with them all season. He was on the 46 for the season opener vs BC then went back to the PR until being activated for Week 7 when they were 5-0. Dixon was cut in camp and brought back in September only to be cut again 10 days later when they signed Grymes. Gable was a notable and prudent addition given the RB injuries they'd gone through. They acquired him a couple days after losing Travon Van to the 6G. Van had been replacing John White who they lost for the season in Week 2.
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Lowell U on the radio the other day questioned Wally's practices of dumping players for salary reasons suggesting that the loss of leadership (he didn't use the word) was one major reason for this year's Lions failing.
Creating leadership voids is always a big risk when removing veterans. I think the hope/belief is that there are younger guys who are leaders-in-waiting ready to seize the opportunity to step up and fill that void. In theory like the script that has adorned the Montreal Canadiens dressing room for decades "To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high". Maybe they over-estimated what they had in the locker room in terms of guys ready to step up. I don't know if a coach can really predict if guys who may have been quiet in the background ceding to past leaders will seize the opportunity to become the next leaders. One loss that might have hurt more than anticipated was Aragki. He's been a special teams captain for a few years and obviously a big part of the leadership core. His loss was unexpected and right on the eve of camp. Did losing his leadership play a big part in the overall disappointing play of the special teams units?
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My sincerest hope for this match is for the guys to have fun and make it look like a game of pitch and catch. I particularly hope Jennings plays like he doesn’t have a care in the world. Repeating his performance from last week could be a good tonic for his struggles this year.

Also hoping JJ24 goes out with a bang. Great guy and exciting player, my fave on this years squad.
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I wish they quit playing that rap music during the warm ups
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Iannuzzi taking pictures with his extended family on the sidelines following warm ups
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Kendall James missed interception. Argos big play
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Argos take opening drive and march the field for a field goal
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Common sight for Lion fans. Breakdown on the special teams
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10-0 Argos
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Special teams hopeless, defense getting sliced and diced, Jennings looking like a third string hobo. 2017 in a microcosm.
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