After 20 years, Stallions finally celebrate Grey Cup win

The Place for BC Lion Discussion. A forum for Lions fans to talk and chat about our team.
Discussion, News, Information and Speculation regarding the BC Lions and the CFL.
Prowl, Growl and Roar!

Moderator: Team Captains

User avatar
sj-roc
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7539
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Kerrisdale

The 1995 Grey Cup winning Stallions held a 20-year reunion in Baltimore over the weekend. OJ Brigance, also a former Lion, was among the attendees. A bit unfortunate that it doesn't mention Don Matthews by name. The article also has several comments from Jim Popp, who was the GM of that team and has of course remained in that role ever since they moved to Montreal, and the then-owner of the Stallions, Jim Speros.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bs-s ... story.html
After 20 years, Stallions finally celebrate Grey Cup win
By Ryan Baillargeon, The Baltimore Sun

HIghlights:
• The Baltimore Stallions didn't have much chance to celebrate their 1995 Grey Cup win, until Sunday.
• Baltimore's Canadian Football League champion celebrated that win at their 20-year reunion in Towson.
• "This team never truly got the sendoff that it should of," the owner of the former Baltimore Stallions said.

The Baltimore Stallions celebrated their Grey Cup championship Sunday night in the West Village Commons Building at Towson University.

It had been 20 years in the making.

The Stallions spent two years in Baltimore — 1994 and 1995 — winning the Canadian Football League title in their second season, but left before the Ravens arrived in 1996. The team never had a chance to commemorate their championship victory with the city to which they brought the title.

The team's 20-year reunion on Sunday was the first time many of them had seen each other since the days after the 1995 Grey Cup. Star defensive end Elfrid Payton said they "really didn't have closure.

"Tonight can serve as that," said Payton, who recorded 18 sacks in 1995. "We have an opportunity to get back to a reunion type thing. The sad thing is we don't have everybody."

Twenty players from the Stallions' short stint in Baltimore made it to the reunion in addition to former coaches, equipment managers and cheerleaders. After the players were introduced before dinner, others in attendance gave them a standing ovation as Queen's "We are the champions" played.

Former general manager Jim Popp, who now holds the position for the Montreal Alouettes — the team the Stallions became after leaving Baltimore — has won three Grey Cups since 1995. He experienced the parties in Montreal after the victories and said each left him thinking about what the Stallions missed.

"Knowing in Montreal when we won a Grey Cup, the parades we have had have garnished more than 300,000 people coming out in the streets just like the Ravens have," Popp said. "It probably wouldn't have been any size like that, but to have a big party and build off that for another year would have been special."

Despite playing just two seasons, the Stallions left their mark on the record books. Their 18 victories in 1995 are the most ever by a CFL team. They are the only American-based CFL team to win a Grey Cup. And they sent three players and their head coach to the CFL Hall of Fame.

"This team never truly got the sendoff that it should of," owner Jim Speros said before listing the team's noteworthy accomplishments. "It's the greatest team that ever played."

Speros urged those in attendance to use Sunday night as a chance to celebrate what they achieved. For some, the reunion had started the previous night at the hotel where many former Stallions stayed.

Running back Mike Pringle, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2008, said some former players gathered in the hotel lobby for about six hours Saturday night.

"We were talking all football. It was football all night," Pringle said. "We talked about all the crazy things we did off the field; all of the success that we had on the field; all of the talent that was there. How we dominated teams."

Pringle had been in Baltimore for Ravens inside linebacker Ray Lewis' final game at M&T Bank Stadium 2013. For others like kicker Carlos Huerta, who lives in Las Vegas, it was just his second time back since the Grey Cup.

About 10 years ago he brought his son to Baltimore on a family vacation and showed him the Inner Harbor. This time, Huerta tried to relive some of his past activities. He used to live in Towson and did his workouts in the area.

"I did my old run," Huerta said. "I've driven down Charles Street. It's just really neat."

Despite the lighthearted atmosphere at the reunion, the Stallions were left with a sour taste in their mouth 20 years earlier. Huerta recalled Pringle putting name tags of Cleveland Browns players on the Stallions' lockers in the last week of the season and telling his teammates they wouldn't be there.

"At the time, we felt like we started something and somebody got to end it," Huerta said.

The Stallions led the CFL in attendance in their first season by an average of more than 7,000 fans. Popp said outsiders started to take notice of the city's passion for football.

"It showed the people looking from the outside, 'We better get back in there because it's silly that this city doesn't have something.'" Popp said.

Art Modell capitalized by moving the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore. The Ravens have since won two Super Bowl championships — one with senior advisor to player development O.J. Brigance, who also won the title with the Stallions and led the team in prayer Sunday night — but there is no doubt in the Stallions' minds what allowed the Ravens to come to the city.

"Baltimore ultimately got what they wanted," Speros said. "They got the NFL. But it would've never happened without this Baltimore Stallion football team."
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
User avatar
Robbie
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8383
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:13 pm
Location: 卑詩體育館或羅渣士體育館

It's good that they had a good celebration some 20 years later. The article also does not mention by name the game MVP, Tracy Ham. But at least he appeared in the local WBaltv news channel.
Image

I'd say Baltimore has a very unique history of American football as the city has won championships from three different leagues - NFL, CFL, and the short-lived USFL as the Baltimore Star won the last USFL championship in 1985.
Image
I wonder if there was a celebration for that.

Digging deeper, Baltimore has also won Super Bowls using two different franchises as the Baltimore Colts won Super Bowl V and then Baltimore Ravens won two.

For Lions fans, which team did you root for in the 1995 Grey Cup? Were you willing to root for the Lions huge divisional foe and keep the Grey Cup in Canada by rooting for the Stampeders, or did you follow the mentality of a foe of a foe is a friend and root for the Stallions in the battle of the horses?
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
祝你龍年行大運。
恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。
User avatar
sj-roc
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7539
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Kerrisdale

Robbie wrote:It's good that they had a good celebration some 20 years later. The article also does not mention by name the game MVP, Tracy Ham. But at least he appeared in the local WBaltv news channel.
If you click on the link, he's in the first of 12 photos accompanying the article, front and centre with Brigance. There's another close up photo of his hand wearing his GC ring (which looks relatively modest by the standards of more recent editions) plus at least one or two others in which he appears. A much slimmer looking Elfrid Payton appears in another.
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
User avatar
Robbie
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8383
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:13 pm
Location: 卑詩體育館或羅渣士體育館

sj-roc wrote:
Robbie wrote:It's good that they had a good celebration some 20 years later. The article also does not mention by name the game MVP, Tracy Ham. But at least he appeared in the local WBaltv news channel.
If you click on the link, he's in the first of 12 photos accompanying the article, front and centre with Brigance. There's another close up photo of his hand wearing his GC ring (which looks relatively modest by the standards of more recent editions) plus at least one or two others in which he appears. A much slimmer looking Elfrid Payton appears in another.
Yeah, the attached photos show Tracy Ham but not the written document by the report which mentions Mike Pringle, and yeah it's unfortunate that it didn't mention Don Matthews he didn't appear in the pictures (other than the group picture #8) so it's certain he didn't attend the event given his serious health issues now.

Sometimes, inaccurate publications (Revenge of the Jedi) become collector items, so I wonder in picture 5/12 showing a hat showing Baltimore Colts with the team and CFL logo can fetch a lot.

And in pictures 5 and 6, there appears to be a large blanket showing smaller square Baltimore t-shirt designs. In the top row, second from the left it shows Grey Cup 1996 Baltimore surrounding old CFL logo. Not sure what that means, but was the 1996 Grey Cup originally awarded to Baltimore? I never heard about that before.
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。
改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。
祝你龍年行大運。
恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。
User avatar
sj-roc
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7539
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Kerrisdale

Robbie wrote:And in pictures 5 and 6, there appears to be a large blanket showing smaller square Baltimore t-shirt designs. In the top row, second from the left it shows Grey Cup 1996 Baltimore surrounding old CFL logo. Not sure what that means, but was the 1996 Grey Cup originally awarded to Baltimore? I never heard about that before.
They might have made an unsuccessful bid to host in 1996; I'm not sure. But they were definitely awarded the 1997 GC either late in 1994 or early 1995. The US experiment ended after that year making it no longer tenable to play there so Edmonton stepped in more or less at the last minute to take over hosting duties. IIRC they were basically the only ones to step forward, much like the Lions did for the 2014 game that Ottawa had originally been slated to host.
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
User avatar
Toppy Vann
Hall of Famer
Posts: 9793
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:56 pm

Great story, too bad no update on Don Matthews.

I do recall an interview in the GC that Baltimore didn't win vs BC at BC Place (game I was at) where Danny Mc said that day no one on the Lions wanted to be the first team that let the GC go south of the border. Big Lu missing a FG than hitting the winning one was super. Great battle. That year was special especially the '94 playoff game to eliminate Calgary (posted by Almo on You tube - my favourite sequence of all time)
"Ability without character will lose." - Marv Levy
TheLionKing
Hall of Famer
Posts: 25103
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:13 pm
Location: Vancouver

Wally Buono, first head coach to lose the Grey Cup to an all American team.
User avatar
sj-roc
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7539
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Kerrisdale

TheLionKing wrote:Wally Buono, first head coach to lose the Grey Cup to an all American team.
Dear Lionbackers:

Let's debate whether Buono should have put Jeff Garcia, who had a successful stint replacing an injured Doug Flutie during the regular season, into that Grey Cup game at some point.

Sincerely,
Debating whether Buono should have put Casey Printers, who had a successful stint replacing an injured Dave Dickenson during the regular season, into that Grey Cup game at some point
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
User avatar
DanoT
Hall of Famer
Posts: 4314
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:38 pm
Location: Victoria, B.C. in summer, Sun Peaks Resort in winter

The Stallions GC victory should have an asterisk beside it because they were allow to have only Americans on the roster. No Canadians on a roster in an era when the Canadian players were no where near as talented as they are today put the Canadian teams at a disadvantage.
User avatar
Toppy Vann
Hall of Famer
Posts: 9793
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:56 pm

DanoT wrote:The Stallions GC victory should have an asterisk beside it because they were allow to have only Americans on the roster. No Canadians on a roster in an era when the Canadian players were no where near as talented as they are today put the Canadian teams at a disadvantage.
True but it didn't help the other US based teams.

They had Popp, Matthews, Ham, Pringle etc. A fantastic core of talent and coaching/football ops with a top GM and a HC who knows how to win. Yes, they couldn't be forced due to their laws to employ Canadians but other teams didn't have the Stallions success. Matthews would be still be coaching if his other health issues didn't affect him and Popp is GM in MTL and will be there it seems as long he wants as he seems to have a good understanding with the owners who don't meddle with success - it seems.
"Ability without character will lose." - Marv Levy
User avatar
JohnHenry
Champion
Posts: 841
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:46 pm
Location: Crescent Beach

Baltimore lead the CFL with an average attendance of over 40,000 in '94, not the 7,000 as quoted in the article. While some critics claim their tremendous fan support was due to fans wanting to send a message to the NFL...they did draw over 45,000 to Memorial stadium for their playoff game which was not part of the season ticket package. Baltimore was 2nd in attendance in '95 averaging over 34,000 fans. So American expansion wasn't a total failure as many pundits claim today.
J5V
Rookie
Posts: 75
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:27 pm

Baltimore was in the mix to host a Grey Cup game. I think as early as the '96 game (the one which Hamilton hosted in the snow.)
User avatar
DanoT
Hall of Famer
Posts: 4314
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:38 pm
Location: Victoria, B.C. in summer, Sun Peaks Resort in winter

JohnHenry wrote:Baltimore lead the CFL with an average attendance of over 40,000 in '94, not the 7,000 as quoted in the article. While some critics claim their tremendous fan support was due to fans wanting to send a message to the NFL...they did draw over 45,000 to Memorial stadium for their playoff game which was not part of the season ticket package. Baltimore was 2nd in attendance in '95 averaging over 34,000 fans. So American expansion wasn't a total failure as many pundits claim today.
I think what happened to the Baltimore fans was that initially they wanted to send a message to the NFL, but then they found out that the CFL was fun and entertaining and that they had a very competitive team and that is when the support really grew.

Initially I thought that the Toronto football fans would treat the Bills in TO series in a similar way or that Rogers would even promote the games as a vehicle to show support for a future NFL team in TO. Turns out there really are no football fans in TO or at least none who want to go to games in person. BMO field and a successful Argos team may help increase attendance but I fear it won't be by much.
User avatar
sj-roc
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7539
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Kerrisdale

JohnHenry wrote:Baltimore lead the CFL with an average attendance of over 40,000 in '94, not the 7,000 as quoted in the article. While some critics claim their tremendous fan support was due to fans wanting to send a message to the NFL...they did draw over 45,000 to Memorial stadium for their playoff game which was not part of the season ticket package. Baltimore was 2nd in attendance in '95 averaging over 34,000 fans. So American expansion wasn't a total failure as many pundits claim today.
You misread that. The 7000 refers to the margin they had in avg attendance over the team with the 2nd-highest avg attendance.
The Stallions led the CFL in attendance in their first season by an average of more than 7,000 fans.
It says "led... *by*". Not led *with*, as you put it. It's like the difference in saying, e.g., "the Riders lead the league in per game yds offence by an average of over 100 yds" and "the Riders lead the league in per game yds offence with an average of over 500 yds".

According to this source Balt in 1994 had an avg att of 37,347 while Edm was second at 29,867, so the 7000 claim checks out. The attendance for their semifinal playoff game was 35,223 acc to the same source. As to messages, there's no doubt to me that the message was there was an appetite for pro football in a town that had been almost a decade removed from last having it.
Sports can be a peculiar thing. When partaking in fiction, like a book or movie, we adopt a "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" for enjoyment's sake. There's a similar force at work in sports: "Willing Suspension of Rationality". If you doubt this, listen to any conversation between rival team fans. You even see it among fans of the same team. Fans argue over who's the better QB or goalie, and selectively cite stats that support their views while ignoring those that don't.
User avatar
Lions4ever
Hall of Famer
Posts: 3430
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2002 7:25 pm
Location: Vancouver Island

TheLionKing wrote:Wally Buono, first head coach to lose the Grey Cup to an all American team.
And the last!
Post Reply