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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:16 pm

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Cleveland Indians are dropping the Chief Wahoo logo from their uniforms

The logo won't be available on any gear available for purchase online at Major League Baseball's store after 2019. But fans will still be able to buy it at souvenir shops in the stadium and at select retailers.

The decision to wait until 2019 was meant to give fans and the team time to transition, according to a source familiar with the change.

The source added that the selective sale of Chief Wahoo gear is being made in order to keep other parties from profiting from the logo. If MLB and the Indians stopped selling the logo, they could risk losing the trademark rights.

The Indians and the NFL's Washington Redskins were two of the long-time holdouts in the shift away from Native American mascots and logos by many teams and universities.

San Diego State University continues to use an Aztec warrior for its logo after moving away from the more offensive Monty Montezuma.

Coachella Valley High School is still home to the "Mighty Arabs" although the school dropped the cartoonish mascot it once used.

One notable exception to this is Florida State University -- the Seminoles. The university enjoys a cooperative relationship with the Seminole Tribe of Florida and has consulted the tribe on players' uniforms and the school's symbol.

The Redskins continue to use the name and a logo showing the profile of a Native American.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:18 pm

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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:24 pm

That one is particular is probably long overdue. Now if he Braves can get rid of their tomahawk chop chant....
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:30 pm

There must be better cultural references for an American baseball team than this logo.

Especially since Native Americans take offence to it.

With my Irish ancestry, do I take offence to the Boston Celtics? No. What if it was the Boston Micks? Maybe. If I had English ancestry would I take offence to London Limeys? Maybe.

Could I take offence if someone from another nation said something derogatory about Canada? Yeah.

Is it acceptable to make fun of someone's looks? No. The handicapped? No. Another race? No.

Racism is an issue. Insensitivity is an issue. No cultural context is an issue. What an image says can be an issue.

Is it just political correctness? I don't think so.

Sometimes it is true that "them's fightin' words."

An insult one way brings back an insult the other way.

I grew up liking these logos that are now deemed offensive. But I have no stake in the issue as one of the aggrieved parties. Despite the fact that I grew up liking the Redskins logo, et cetera, and that I played Cowboys and Indians as a child, happily enough taking on the role of an Indian, with my fair skin and blue eyes, LOL, I am letting go of my fondness for these old logos.

Time for change. Just IMO ...
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:35 pm

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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:46 pm

I mentioned before a topic about fan vs. fashion statement when it comes to wearing sports team apparel in that sometimes a person is wearing clothing of a particular sports team NOT because they are truly a fan of that team but rather, they simply love the design of that team and as such, it's a fashion statement.

I'd say that the two most popular baseball caps that are associated with fashion statements would be those of the New York Yankees and the Cleveland Indians. Now that the Indians will be dropping their logo, I wonder if that will lead to a drop in wearing the current Cleveland Indians cap. Ten years from now, will those who are wearing the cap be asking for trouble - similar to what John McClane was forced to wear on the streets of Harlem in the movie Die Hard with a Vengeance?
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

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祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:59 pm

The fans need time to "transition"? They are so sensitive.

500 years ago, Columbus sailed nearby North America and met a few brown skinned people whom he erroneously labelled as Indians, an error we still haven't bothered to correct. He then kidnaps them, sells them into slavery, and is subsequently celebrated with a national holiday.

Retiring Chief Wahoo isn't enough. Cleveland is so far behind the times, its laughable.

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Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:09 pm

Only the logo is gone; the name stays.

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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:07 am

I wonder how the real Indians (people from India) will react to this and if they feel that their ethnicity is being mocked. As you may know, America and Canada has a huge Indian population especially in the hi-tech field. I dare say over 50% of hi-tech company employees consist of Indians.
祝加拿大加式足球聯賽不列颠哥伦比亚卑詩雄獅隊今年贏格雷杯冠軍。此外祝溫哥華加人隊贏總統獎座·卡雲斯·甘保杯·史丹利盃。還每年祝溫哥華白頭浪隊贏美國足球大联盟杯。不要忘記每年祝溫哥華巨人贏西部冰球聯盟冠軍。

改建後的卑詩體育館於二十十一年九月三十日重新對外開放,首場體育活動為同日舉行的加拿大足球聯賽賽事,由主場的卑詩雄獅隊以三十三比二十四擊敗愛民頓愛斯基摩人隊。

祝你狗年行大運。

恭喜西雅图海鹰直到第四十八屆超級盃最終四十三比八大勝曾拿下兩次超級盃冠軍的丹佛野馬拿下隊史第一個超級盃冠軍。

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Robbie wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:07 am
I wonder how the real Indians (people from India) will react to this and if they feel that their ethnicity is being mocked. As you may know, America and Canada has a huge Indian population especially in the hi-tech field. I dare say over 50% of hi-tech company employees consist of Indians.
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