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TheLionKing wrote:Is Texas big enough for Jerry Jones' ego ?
We should all talk about how this latest Cowboys resurgence is due to the Terrible Texas Twosome of Garrett & Romo. Jone's will probably cut them both loose by Sunday....... :wink:
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Jets/Patriots tonight. Tom Terrific spends another 3 hours kicking the butt of another lacklustre RexRyan defence. IMO, the question isn't "IS MIKE VICK GOING TO PLAY?" but instead "HOW MANY QUARTERS WILL MIKE VICK PLAY?". Patriots win by twenty in another Thursday Night BLOWOUT......(be wrong, be wrong :cr: would prefer to see an entertaining football game)
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notahomer wrote:Jets/Patriots tonight. Tom Terrific spends another 3 hours kicking the butt of another lacklustre RexRyan defence. IMO, the question isn't "IS MIKE VICK GOING TO PLAY?" but instead "HOW MANY QUARTERS WILL MIKE VICK PLAY?". Patriots win by twenty in another Thursday Night BLOWOUT......(be wrong, be wrong :cr: would prefer to see an entertaining football game)
Yeah, can't see the Jets winning this one, but, who knows? That's why they play the games. The Patriots started the season looking terrible, but seem to have regained their form. Still, they've now lost--for the season--LB Jerod Mayo, who was kind of the heart of their D, to patellar tendon surgery (worse than ACL), along with RB Stevan Ridley, so they're far from being at their best. With the game being in Foxborough, this will be a hard one for the Jets. Rex Ryan is likely on the coaches' hot seat, and another loss will bring the Jets to 1-6. Someone on Pro Football Talk suggested that Rex might be working for Bill next season!

Here's the preview:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410160 ... ab=preview
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:yahoo: I WAS WRONG, not a blowout (but not amazingly entertaining either... BUT STILL NO BLOWOUT!!!)

G Smith looked like a NFL QB. Patriots were solid. Jets lose by a failed 2pt convert (that looked ripe for the taking).
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Very surprising and shocking news from Seattle Seahawks fans - Percy Harvin has been traded to the New York Jets for a conditional draft pick. :shock:
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 18xml.html

Most definitely, his biggest highlight as a Seahawk was his 87-yard kickoff touchdown return to start the second half of Super Bowl XLVIII to really clinch the win.
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I hear he was a cancer in the dressing room.
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Robbie wrote:Very surprising and shocking news from Seattle Seahawks fans - Percy Harvin has been traded to the New York Jets for a conditional draft pick. :shock:
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 18xml.html

Most definitely, his biggest highlight as a Seahawk was his 87-yard kickoff touchdown return to start the second half of Super Bowl XLVIII to really clinch the win.
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WOW, thanks for posting, Robbie, hadn't heard yet..... Very surprising, IMO. Obviously more to this than it appears and Smith can certainly use a deep threat (so can Manning, actually.....).
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Holy Moses. Just got into the Gulf Islands an hour ago and found this on Pro Football Talk. Who saw it coming? There's a big story here--Harvin stirring up a mutiny against Russell Wilson, etc. I'm just shocked. Here's the Pro Football Talk piece:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... mp-harvin/
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South Pender wrote:Holy Moses. Just got into the Gulf Islands an hour ago and found this on Pro Football Talk. Who saw it coming? There's a big story here--Harvin stirring up a mutiny against Russell Wilson, etc. I'm just shocked. Here's the Pro Football Talk piece:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... mp-harvin/
It'll be interesting to see how the Seahawks rebound this week. I like the new Rams QB so I'm a little dissappointed they are playing this week. I would rather the Seahawks were snarly and looking to beat the NINERS but thats what the schedule has down on it....
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Here's another piece on the Percy Harvin situation. Pete Carroll really values good chemistry on his teams, and it looks as if Harvin was toxic in the locker-room. He evidently punched out Golden Tate around the time of the Super Bowl. From this latest piece, it looks as if the Seahawks have been looking to trade him for several weeks. He hasn't been a factor in the last several games, with the jet sweep going nowhere most the times it was run. Harvin's stock has really plummeted if all the Seahawks will get for him is a mid-round pick in the 2015 draft--anywhere from the 4th to the 2nd round depending on how Harvin plays with the Jets. I guess one bright spot for the 'Hawks is to be out from under Harvin's massive contract that would have counted something like $13M against the cap next season. That will be money they can use to firm up existing (and contributing) player contracts and maybe spend relatively big to find a true No. 1 receiver, something the Seahawks currently don't have. Pete Carroll and John Schneider are constantly looking to upgrade the team, and I think that it's not beyond the realm of possibility that they may pull off a trade this season, depending on who's available.

This has got to be a real shock for the "12s". It was clear he wasn't contributing much, but I doubt that many knew of his disruptive effect on the team. Challenging Russell Wilson to the point of starting an attempt at mutiny is really crazy since Wilson is the franchise quarterback and likely will be for years to come. There's the rumor that Harvin was stirring up resentment towards Wilson because of Wilson's intense work ethic and desire to be constantly improving. If true, that's sad--like the drone workers resenting the guy who works hard because it shows them up as slackers. I think the Seahawks are weakened by this development, as, when functioning at his ability level, Harvin is a rare talent. We can hope that he does really well with the Jets, as that outcome will raise the level in the draft (maybe to the 2nd round) for the Seahawks next spring. Just really disappointing. Here's the piece by Marc Sessler of NFL.com, including a video interview with NFL.com insider Ian Rapoport:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -york-jets
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Reports: Harvin fought teammates, took himself out on Sunday
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 18, 2014, 8:02 AM EDT

As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys.

One fight took place the week before the Super Bowl and left then-Seahawks receiver Golden Tate with a black eye, according to Lance Zierlein of Sports Talk 790 in Houston. Another fight took place in the preseason this year and left receiver Doug Baldwin with a cut on his chin, according to the Seattle Times.

Harvin also reportedly took himself out of Sunday’s game and wouldn’t go back in when coaches asked him to play. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was asked why Harvin didn’t play much late in the game and answered with a vague reference to “readiness,” but it now appears that the real problem was “willingness,” or lack thereof, of Harvin to get on the field.

Combining the reports out of Seattle with the widespread reports from two years ago that Harvin was a cancer in the Vikings’ locker room, it looks like the Jets just landed themselves a malcontent. They’d better have a plan for how to deal with Harvin’s inevitable unhappiness.
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I didn't know a player could "take himself out of a game."
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The financial side of the Percy Harvin trade
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2014, 9:00 AM EDT

After completely processing the shock of the Second Annual Percy Harvin Trade and while still sniffing around the reasons for it, let’s take a look at the financial ramifications of the move, for both teams.

Based on a breakdown of the contract obtained by PFT, the Seahawks paid Harvin $19.03 million for what amounted to eight games played (three last year, five this year). The money came from a $12 million signing bonus, a $2.5 million salary in 2013, and 7/17ths of an $11 million salary in 2014 ($4.53 million).

By trading Harvin after June 1, the Seahawks will carry $1.412 million in cap space this year from his $2.4 million annual signing bonus proration. Next year, they’ll have $7.2 million in dead money attributed to Harvin.

The Jets pick up the balance of his guaranteed base salary — 10/17ths of $11 million ($6.47 million) and the non-guaranteed four additional years of his deal, at $10.5 million in 2015, $9.9 million in 2016, $9.95 million in 2017, and $11.15 million in 2018. The $47.97 million deal actually is a year-to-year arrangement, with no triggers or other devices aimed at forcing the Jets to decide what to do with Harvin before Week One of the regular season.

The Jets inherit the ability to recover bonus money paid by the Seahawks from Harvin. If he decides to not show up or to go AWOL or to retire with that $19 million he had gotten from the Seahawks for nine games, they can get back some of the $12 million the Seahawks paid upon acquiring him from the Vikings. Which could be a useful piece of leverage for the Jets.

Still, the early reaction from multiple league insiders is that the Jets made a mistake by acquiring Harvin. One league source with knowledge of and experience with both the player and his new team already has expressed pessimism, explaining that the Jets are “not a stable place.” Another source said that the Jets have “pissed away $7 million of Woody Johnson’s cash and cap space.”

“Do you know how many good players that much space can get you?” the source said. (As some Jets fans would respond, “If you don’t use it, none.”)

We’ll have more throughout the weekend regarding the reaction to and aftermath of the trade. Whatever triggered the move, it was enough to prompt the Seahawks to pay Harvin what amounted to $2.375 million for every meaningful game in which he played.
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With Harvin now gone, I think we can look for a couple of things to happen. First, I think we'll see either Paul Richardson or Kevin Norwood (or both) added to the active roster and inserted into the offense. Both are rookies, but as thin as the Seahawks now are at WR, these guys will be needed. Both are talented receivers, but grass green. Second, it wouldn't surprise me to see John Schneider engineer a trade for a proven No. 1 receiver. This might be hard and take some time since teams will want to hang on to their best players, but there might be some WRs out there that for one reason or another are possibilities.

I think tomorrow's game in St. Louis will be a much bigger challenge for the Seahawks now. They have four starters out with injuries: TE Zach Miller, C Max Unger, MLB Bobby Wagner, and CB Byron Maxwell. K. J. Wright moves to the middle, and Malcolm Smith draws in at Wright's OLB position. Not much loss there. But I think the Legion of Boom will be hurt without Maxwell, and the running game will really miss Unger. Add in the cliffhanger in St. Louis last season, when Zach Stacy ran all over the Seahawks, and the 'Hawks were really lucky to escape with a narrow win, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them lose tomorrow. Hard to know how much of a distraction the Harvin trade will turn out to be. I guess we'll see something of the team's character tomorrow in St. Louis. As much as I'm really shocked and sorry to see Harvin leave, I think--from what we've been learning about Harvin's dysfunctional behavior--that Pete Carroll probably did the right thing here even if it costs him some games and maybe even getting to the playoffs. The hope is that this move will prevent the team from imploding because of internal conflict, and it strikes me as something Wally Buono would do under the same circumstances (similar in some ways to the Jerome Messam case with the Lions in 2010).
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Week 7 NFL Previews and Odds:

1. Sunday, Oct. 19, 10:00 a.m. PDT:

Bengals at Colts: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Odds: Colts by 3

Titans at Washington: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Washington by 6

Dolphins at Bears: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Bears by 3

Browns at Jaguars: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Browns by 5.5

Seahawks at Rams: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Seahawks by 6.5

Panthers at Packers: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Packers by 6.5

Falcons at Ravens: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Ravens by 6.5

Vikings at Bills: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Bills by 5.5

Saints at Lions: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Lions by 2.5


2. Sunday, Oct. 19, 1:05 or 1:25 p.m. PDT:

Chiefs at Chargers: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... ab=preview; Chargers by 3.5

Giants at Cowboys: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410191 ... ab=preview; Cowboys by 6.5

Cardinals at Raiders: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410191 ... ab=preview; Cardinals by 3.5


3. Sunday, Oct. 19, 5:30 p.m. PDT:

49ers at Broncos: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410191 ... ab=preview; Broncos by 6.5


4. Monday, Oct. 20, 5:30 p.m. PDT:

Texans at Steelers: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410200 ... ab=preview; Steelers by 3

Week 7 byes: Eagles, Buccaneers.
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Re Percy Harvin ...

Talented, or course. 5'11' 184, Speedster, 4.32 in the 40 at one time, elusive
Championships in high school and college and Pop Warner
Suspended in high school twice in football, and an altercation in basketball led to his suspension from all sports, track star
Tested positive for marijuana at the NFL Combine in 2009

Drafted by the Vikings, Rd 1, #22
Rookie of the Year for some
All Pro in 2009

(Source: Wikipedia)

It seems to me that both the Vikings and Jets have had troubled athletes at times.

Some team will always hope for the best, and take a chance.

Harvin with Rex Ryan's group? Yikes ...

Somewhat shocking to hear that he was conspiring against Russell Wilson. One is inclined to ask who does Percy Harvin think he is? LOL Well, with his talent and record, he thinks he is the King of the Hill. In Seattle? Nope. That is Russell Wilson. Bye Bye Harvin. And IMO ... Good riddance to trouble in the locker room. Russell Wilson is a rare one. Do not mess with that.
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Thought the Seahawks managment handled this with complete class. Thanking Harvin for his obvious contribution to the Superbowl win (even though he was a small part of getting the Seahawks there).
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IMO, the key pieces of the Seahawks are still the DEFENCE and Lynch. No question Russell W. is a key piece too but Lynch has not been a big part of the gameplan when the Hawks have struggled/lost. The defence needs to play a big part. I like FIsher-coached teams, so hope its a good game.....
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Interesting day of football. For me, it was back and forth between the Seahawks and Packers games (my two NFL faves in that order). The Seahawks actually had the better of the play in their game, but three things did them in:

1. too many penalties (again);

2. terrible ST play - boy, did they get fooled (reminiscent of recent Lions debacles). I don't think I've ever seen that punt play before, where the gunner and tacklers all head to the opposite side of the field from where the kick went to confuse the return team;

3. too many key players out of the lineup. Most missed, I think, was Bobby Wagner in the middle, but Tharold Simon looked like the newcomer that he is on several passing plays. I think Byron Maxwell would have made a big difference. FB Derrick Coleman, Lynch's lead blocker, broke his foot during pregame warmups (boy, how unlikely and unlucky is that!), and RB Robert Turbin had to move to FB. Not the same devastating blocker that Coleman is and out of position, and, as a result, Lynch wasn't his usual beastly self, rushing for only 53 yards on 18 carries for an average of 2.9 yards.

One could quibble about the officiating (particularly on that last fumble by the Rams), which seemed to be decidedly biased against the 'Hawks, but we shouldn't look for excuses. :wink:

Still it was fun to see Russell Wilson at work. Migawd, he's something, isn't he. Threw for 313 yards and ran for another 106; almost won the game by himself. The Seahawks outgain the Rams 463 total yards to 272 and lose. Special teams breakdowns.

The 'Hawks need to get Wagner and Maxwell back, along with C Max Unger. They're not out of it, but need to start winning now or it will probably be too late. Here's the Seahawks-Rams recap:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... e=boxscore
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Packers completely crushed the Panthers. If Aaron Rodgers isn't the best QB in the NFL I don't know who is. Just a great arm. Here's the recap on that one:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... e=boxscore
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Has the rest of the NFL figured out Marc Trestman's offensive strategy? Bears pretty-well completely outplayed by a mediocre Dolphins team, racking up a measly 224 yards of total offense. Cutler ineffective once again. Here's that recap:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... e=boxscore
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Chiefs over the Chargers in a bit of an upset. Alex Smith looked very competent in that one (which I was glad to see) and outplayed Philip Rivers. Of course, having a horse like Jamaal Charles rip off 95 yards against a good defense helps a lot too. Rivers seemed to have an off-day, but maybe it was just that the Chiefs' defense had a good day. Here's the recap:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... e=boxscore
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Cowboys and Cardinals win as expected. At the moment, the Cardinals are the surprise team in the NFC. Bengals lose again--crushed actually, with Andy Dalton looking like a rookie QB. Obviously not the team they were built up to be by the sports media.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=cardinal ... 8QeljoDYDA

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201410190 ... &tab=recap

Should be a good one tonight between the 49ers and Broncos (one that I'll have to miss unfortunately).
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I missed much of the NFL action yesterday......

Cowboys did beat the Giants which SHOULD NOT have been surprising but the game was closer than it ended up being. IOW, the Cowboys are doing just fine thankyou right now, lets see in a bit. IMO, Romo is still not the kind of QB to help you team get far in the playoffs. I know the stats say otherwise but we'll see....
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I am NOT a Kaepernik fan but he did throw some good looking football passes yesterday. Much of my frustration with CK is probably the media love-in that seems to have taken in over him. Probably due to him leading the 49ers to consecutive NFC championship games and losing in the Superbowl. He is good enough to win a Superbowl, I get it, I just grow weary of how wonderful he is considering some of the terrible INTS/throws he makes. Yesterday however, the little of the game I did catch, Kaepernik threw some great passes. Manning had another solid night and helps me realize how lucky I've been to watch Brady, Manning and Rodgers over the past few years.
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Steelers climbed back into a winning record by beating the Houston Texans. What is going on in Houston. This team looked like the Superbowl contender (like the Falcons) and now :puke: Mistakes, fumbles, etc... Steelers won this game for sure by overcoming their troubles in the redzone but a lot of this WIN should include a thank-you note to the Texans offence for bozoing it up, AGAIN......
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Dallas Cowboys released Michael Sam today. In a series of tweets he gave the following statement:
I want to thank the Jones family and the entire Cowboys organization for this opportunity, as well as my friends, family, teammates, and fans for their support. While this is disappointing, I will take the lessons I learned here in Dallas and continue to fight for an opportunity to prove that I can play every Sunday.
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